I suppose the problem here is that we tend to use 'minmatar' as synonymous with 'citizen of the Republic.'

The majority of the victims were Federation citizens, but some where visiting Republicans.
All of the victims of were ethnic Minmatar.

The assertion that they were all 'members of a tribe' is questionable. I believe Sanmatar Maleatu Shakor is assuming that all Minmatar within the Federation identify as the members of a tribe or are part of their ancestral tribe by default. I doubt the good Sanmatar can speak for all of the victims in this matter.

If the shooter is executed, would that be justice in the eyes of the Republic?

And do we know anything yet about whatever larger organization he might have been part of?

Obstinacy to the point of inciting your allies to violence. It's almost as if the Federation has something to hide.

So being a Federation matter means not sharing anything with the Republic? Not even info?

"Oh but how do YOU know they aren't sharing Anslo? How could you ever know? Ho ho ho."

Because I don't think the Minmatar would be getting so worked up to the point of openly threatening potentially violent retribution if we had told them at least something to help sooth their concerns regarding the investigation.

To be perfectly fair the only ones threatening open violence and reactions for this are extremists and known terrorists, official Republican parties has threatened nothing at all and besides one heated and ill-considered move over the border has done nothing violent so far. Even in the heat of passion in the border they seemed highly reluctant to do anything violent, and backed down when it was clear they would not get their way without resorting to it.

I honestly hope we get any kind of official response on this information blockade soon. Even knowing why they insist on not saying anything at all would be helpful, at least then we would know why no info is being shared. This current situation is unreasonable.

Well apparently some 'high profile' people think I'm an anti-federalist and well, rumors love to travel. Maybe I'll be asked to submit to 'peaceful questioning.'

So being a Federation matter means not sharing anything with the Republic? Not even info?

"Oh but how do YOU know they aren't sharing Anslo? How could you ever know? Ho ho ho."

Because I don't think the Minmatar would be getting so worked up to the point of openly threatening potentially violent retribution if we had told them at least something to help sooth their concerns regarding the investigation.

Obstinacy to the point of inciting your allies to violence. It's almost as if the Federation has something to hide.

Its about time the Federation saw the Tribal entity for what it is. A gaggle of ungrateful beggars who canGÇÖt be trusted!

And then, the courts publically set them on fire with noise activated methods.

Emotions are obviously lower in the Federation, where crime is concerned.

His punishment was just, there could be no remorse for what he did, only indifference at the very least. His death if anything wasn't gruesome enough. The blood and fire that erupted from his body was an inconceivable fraction compared to the fires he started and the blood he spilled.

Such joy in death, such pleasure carnage brings;
such song of slaughter through the chamber rings.

Such gruesome worship, lavish love of hate;
exult the lords of murder, humble you your great.

Allies donGÇÖt threaten to kill you when they donGÇÖt get their way.

Its about time the Federation saw the Tribal entity for what it is. A gaggle of ungrateful beggars who canGÇÖt be trusted!

The Minmatar are still our allies and friends, even if they are a tad bit more aggressive than we are.

Hopefully these extremist groups don't speak for the whole of the Republic, for if that were the case your words might hold a little merit.

Pilot Syagrius, you've changed a great deal since joining up with Caine and his criminal enterprise. Because we were once on a friendly basis I'll attempt to remain civil in the face of your outrageously racist statement and simply point out that the Republic's government didn't threaten violence towards the Federation; it was two small, radical terrorist groups who do not represent our government or our people.

Secondly, friendship and loyalty is a two way street. The Federation is certainly within their rights to prosecute the suspect in their legal system according to their laws, however, a true friend would keep us informed as to the progress of their investigation and share at least the suspect's identity. I hardly think this is unreasonable to ask of an ally.

I do not take joy in death in destruction, quite the opposite actually. However I do take joy in justice, and that is exactly what we got.

Ah, the joy of politics exploiting human misery.

Both parties are seriously starting to sound like two dogs fighting over a bone. Or the bones of quite a decent amount of victims, if I may add.

I wonder how all their families feel about that.

I do not take joy in death in destruction, quite the opposite actually. However I do take joy in justice, and that is exactly what we got.

tt does not come as a surprise that we face again this old argument where the Federation thinks location decides jurisdiction, and the tribes think that blood does.

Your opinion is noted, as are their actions. When the dog bites, perhaps you will deem the merit of my opinion differently.

Fred: Regarding the RSS fleet. I've seen many Gallente quick to call their actions an invasion. I live in Kor-Azor. Trust me, when those people invade, it results in a bit more than some saber rattling over local comms. I find it far more likely that the RSS was sent with the expectation that the Federals would cooperate in some way. This would explain the shocked sense of outrage on the Minmatar's part, followed by their withdrawal and formal requests for extradition.

Your allies have been playing very nicely, all things considered. Perhaps your government should reciprocate? Take it from an Amarrian, treating the Minmatar like troublesome children won't end as well as you'd hope it would.

My apologies, sir. I'm rather poor with language and poetry, and both seemed to have failed me. I'll be more direct. The poem was trying to demonstrate the difference between justice and vengeance, which are very different and often conflated. I feel that instance was one of the latter, and can imagine no justice involving so gruesome a spectacle. I am not Gallente, however, sir, so will count this as an instance of cultural divergence. To us, justice is quiet and quick. Vengeance is slow and loud.

And justice is what we want and are being denied.


It's amazing how many of our enemies understand us better than our so-called "allies."

Captain Noh, are you really that simple, or do you just pretend?

The longer this is kept out of tribal hands, the longer we risk a conflict that we cannot afford.

That is not a threat.

No need to apologize, I'm actually quite horrible at comprehending poetry. Thank you for explaining though.

I can see how what happened could be more attributed to vengeance rather than justice. Though I personally feel that anything less than what happened would have left many Gallente, both mourning and outraged very displeased.

Vengeance can even be argued as a form of justice, "an eye for an eye" if you will. I don't necessarily condone that attitude with most crimes as it is a very brutal form of justice. However what happened was treason on a level never seen in the Federation, if not New Eden all together.