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Cyprus Black
No Flux Given
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:19:00 -
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I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3. Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
203
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:24:00 -
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Dilbert HighSeed wrote:Regolis wrote:Prolly escaped you guys, but plenty of the highsec players will NEVER go to low sec or null. CCP will nerf high to a certain point where the time isn't worth to the highsec players and they will quit. At which point, if you look at the numbers, Eve goes bye bye. Lots of the people in high sec are casual players. They pay a monthly fee and play for an hour or 2. They aren't interested in you 0.0 politics or moon mining. They come on, blast a few NPC ships, and log off. Yes by all means nerf high sec. Yes push these casual solo players out of the game. I mean it's not like CCP needs money or anything to maintain their corporation. Not only was high sec ice-mining nerfed in many ways for the casual player, but high sec mining was just hit hard, and by extension, mission loot as the refined value of that loot just took a hammering. But is all good, since null sec now has more moons to fight over. Bottom line, this was another large net transfer of wealth from high sec to null sec. And who knows what more things are planned for tomorrow. And more food for thought. Can you imagine what high sec will look like when the new null sec cartel CSM is done with it over the winter 2013 and summer 2014 iterations? It will be an utter wasteland.
Good. Nullsec is also an utter wasteland. Maybe people will come to lowsec and we can have fun fights for a change. |
LoanWolf Tivianne
Ace's And 8's
16
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:28:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3.
i don't disagree about the content part but i also don't totally agree they are adding new BC to the game but eh small steps as far as i am concerned that could have been done with last expansion and all in all should have been done when they added BC in the first place
ps the content part i got from the link in the post sig just fyi befor i get blasted lol yea my spelling sucks so do you go back to work school teacher your not wanted here |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
681
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Posted - 2013.05.05 03:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:[quote=EvilweaselSA][quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]
So, a relatively short event clearly dictates years of nothingness, eh? That is many years of almost nothing are clearly contradicted by your lol short event?
"Facts" is a BOLD word in your mouth. Ahh, my poor fact-challenged friend. You see, our little controlled experiment was the 1500 isk time you referenced. Once we shifted the reward/risk balance, well, we proved that mining will happen (in static belts!) if there's that much profit in it.
Facts, your ancient enemy, strike again. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
681
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Posted - 2013.05.05 03:46:00 -
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nerf facts plz |
Crexa
Ion Industrials
41
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Posted - 2013.05.05 04:30:00 -
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Lurifax wrote:Perhaps some changes to the Rorqual my be relevant.
bigger ore bay - perhaps smaller normal bay Cans with ore goes directly to the orebay change the ice compression time if the boost has to be on grid please remove the need for it to be running the core. Nobody is going to have it deployed in a grav site.
when opening the corporate hanger array it always opens in the director tab, this must be a CCP trolls since 99% of ppl who uses them does not have access to this tab. Make it open the public by default instead.
Yes / No Yes Yes Who said anything about being on grid to boost with mining ships? If it were the case it would be the death nell of the rorqual and probably the orca for anywhere but highsec.
and Yes good idea. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Crexa
Ion Industrials
41
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Posted - 2013.05.05 04:44:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: CCP are neither changing the absolutely craptastic AFK-bot-friendly game mechanic nor introducing any incentive for PvPers to waste hours and hours playing watch on something that will never come or - if it'll come - it'll have scanned them and will bring in enough to crush them anyway.
The "static caravans / sitting ducks staying pinned down there" whole concept is wrong. Who's so stupid to accept sitting in a defensless ship if there's consistent risk being popped?
anyone who can do math and figure out the expected rate of return is quite high, who does nonajthemselves in fear of losing a ship That's why almost nobody mined endless ice in sov null sec when in 2012 it was worth 1500 ISK pu, right? When we interdicted gallente ice people did mine much more in null, despite our best efforts to stop them. That's confirmed by the devblog on it. Facts are troublesome things.
A. You have provided no facts. B. You are a Goon, not exactly the most trusted. C. Provide link or GTFO.
just sayin. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Crexa
Ion Industrials
41
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Posted - 2013.05.05 04:46:00 -
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LoanWolf Tivianne wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3. i don't disagree about the content part but i also don't totally agree they are adding new BC to the game but eh small steps as far as i am concerned that could have been done with last expansion and all in all should have been done when they added BC in the first place ps the content part i got from the link in the post sig just fyi befor i get blasted lol
What!!? The new BC are just the current BC minus a nerf and paint job.
"...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Crexa
Ion Industrials
41
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Posted - 2013.05.05 04:51:00 -
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xinthorminaias wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:For the people asking about supply in other areas of space, there are approximately 8 lowsec/0.0 ice belts for every highsec belt, and those belts are a bit larger. ice won't be mined in low sec - the price hike required to make it worthwhile will reduce demand to a level where it could be met by high sec. If you are going to low sec it would make more sense to go ratting or run a few exploration sites. When they moved level 5's out of high sec people just stopped running them. This will end badly.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said. No one mines in lowsec. No one but idiots, noobs, and the insane. This patch changes that in no known way.
"...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
828
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:20:00 -
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Crexa wrote:A. You have provided no facts.
He did provide a "fact". He did not provide a "citation" for his "fact". This is common when such citations can easily be looked up for oneself. Now, if you couldn't find the suggested source after an honest effort, then it would be reasonable to return and request a citation.
In this case, the citation for his fact was easily found by looking for the source which he clearly described.
"Although high-sec suppliers of Blue Ice were largely driven out for the time being, Oxygen Isotopes were still being supplied from outside of high security space. However, traded volume of Oxygen Isotopes fell by a further 46% from October to November, probably due to reduced demand as more starbase operators lost patience with the high prices and switched to starbase types that require different fuel."
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/3295
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:53:00 -
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After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
828
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:58:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch?
The moon change will likely be a huge improvement.
The other topics I don't know well enough to comment on their respective likelihoods of being 'real improvements".
So, no, I don't agree.
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:02:00 -
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The moon change will improve what? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
828
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:10:00 -
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The general incentive for conflicts, as well as providing a shake-up to the current political balances. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
828
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:12:00 -
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Also, generally anything that causes AFK scrublords to hamfist out thread after thread and post after post of incoherent rage arguments, empty threats, and raw crying is probably an overall improvement to the game. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:13:00 -
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This not a improvement. This is a change. |
LoanWolf Tivianne
Ace's And 8's
16
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:40:00 -
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Crexa wrote:LoanWolf Tivianne wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3. i don't disagree about the content part but i also don't totally agree they are adding new BC to the game but eh small steps as far as i am concerned that could have been done with last expansion and all in all should have been done when they added BC in the first place ps the content part i got from the link in the post sig just fyi befor i get blasted lol What!!? The new BC are just the current? BC minus a nerf and paint job. CCP could have at least tried to get us to believe were were now paying more isk for the same firepower.
i only been here 11 monthos so i guess i missed the time that drakes had 8 launcher hard points and allmost 3k more base ehp thanks for pointing out to me that all the BC was so boss before
edited to add that thats all beside the point of what i had to say in the first place is still valid yea my spelling sucks so do you go back to work school teacher your not wanted here |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
621
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Posted - 2013.05.05 09:27:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3.
Odyssey looks amayzing. The 3 previous expansions brought EvE Online it to another level, the game is in better shape than ever.
What sandbox games needs is constant iteration on existing system, and the last expansions delivered that. Players are the content. R Tape loading error |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4023
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Posted - 2013.05.05 09:32:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:[quote=EvilweaselSA][quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]
So, a relatively short event clearly dictates years of nothingness, eh? That is many years of almost nothing are clearly contradicted by your lol short event?
"Facts" is a BOLD word in your mouth. Ahh, my poor fact-challenged friend. You see, our little controlled experiment was the 1500 isk time you referenced. Once we shifted the reward/risk balance, well, we proved that mining will happen (in static belts!) if there's that much profit in it. Facts, your ancient enemy, strike again.
No, it was the last (so called "perma") Hulkageddon, not your Gallente interdiction.
Facts are YOUR enemy, just check prices of all ices, if you were saying the truth, you'd see only a Gallente ice spike, whereas all four ices spiked.
As I said, facts is a bold word in your mouth. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4023
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Posted - 2013.05.05 09:38:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:He did provide a "fact". He did not provide a "citation" for his "fact". This is common when such citations can easily be looked up for oneself. Now, if you couldn't find the suggested source after an honest effort, then it would be reasonable to return and request a citation. In this case, the citation for his fact was easily found by looking for the source described. "Although high-sec suppliers of Blue Ice were largely driven out for the time being, Oxygen Isotopes were still being supplied from outside of high security space. However, traded volume of Oxygen Isotopes fell by a further 46% from October to November, probably due to reduced demand as more starbase operators lost patience with the high prices and switched to starbase types that require different fuel." http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/3295Now, there may even be other sources, but this clearly supports his stated fact, and I found it with the most basic of effort. This lesson in not being a total fuckwit brought to you by the letter "H".
He and you (and others) stick to a 2011 blog and 2011 Diagoras numbers. I presented easily checked (all you have to do is to open the prices history at about May+ of last year) newer 2012 numbers and 2012 (Hulkageddon) events.
Which one is more current, 2011 or 2012? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7768
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Posted - 2013.05.05 10:35:00 -
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Crexa wrote:A. You have provided no facts. B. You are a Goon, not exactly the most trusted. C. Provide link or GTFO.
just sayin.
he's still right and you're still wrong mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.05.05 11:08:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3. Odyssey looks amayzing. The 3 previous expansions brought EvE Online to another level, the game is in better shape than ever. What sandbox games needs is constant iteration on existing system, and the last expansions delivered that. Players are the content. You, sir, need a CCP to point out what should be cool for you. And if you call that "sandbox", means you let it act like a sandbox. Or it's all "sandbox" when it does what you like, or what is induced to you that should be cool.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
252
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:26:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:
"Although high-sec suppliers of Blue Ice were largely driven out for the time being, Oxygen Isotopes were still being supplied from outside of high security space. However, traded volume of Oxygen Isotopes fell by a further 46% from October to November, probably due to reduced demand as more starbase operators lost patience with the high prices and switched to starbase types that require different fuel."
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This lesson in not being a total fuckwit brought to you by the letter "H".
Let me point something out: 'outside high security space' does happen to include those nullbears (including those in goonswarm) who cashed in by bringing in compressed ice from nullsec=, and if you bother to read the second half of the devquote.... they could not meet demand for a reasonable price, and the result was not 'more people go to lowsec to mine ice' it was 'more people shut their towers down and either stopped using POS or got cheaper alternatives'.
A 40% drop in starbase operations would be cataclysmic for T2 production and lead to skyrocketing prices. Which, I might point out, again goes directly opposite 'lowering the bar for new player entry' as most noobs are not going to have the financial wherewithal to afford it. But then again, CP also thinks that noobs will all start with a billion isk from plex sales.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1059
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Posted - 2013.05.05 14:26:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:lead to skyrocketing prices.
Which would then make people go "man it's suddenly worth doing even if my POS costs more to run" and prompt them to put it back up, bringing prices back down to a more reasonable level.
If, you know, POS got shut down in the first place at all. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
253
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Posted - 2013.05.05 14:49:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:lead to skyrocketing prices. Which would then make people go "man it's suddenly worth doing even if my POS costs more to run" and prompt them to put it back up, bringing prices back down to a more reasonable level. If, you know, POS got shut down in the first place at all.
mynnna, the fact that goonswarm was able to open enough noob accounts to shove you into the CSM makes me despair for the state of eve online.
Yes, a small number would reopen. However, the reality is that higher prices in this game lead to reduced demand. Outside very wealthy individuals and high end alliances with their slave nullbears, T2 would rise to the point that it would be inaccessible to new players or non-alliance PvP corps as a practical tool before POS operators would see enough of a return on them to consider operating POS again.
Prices would likely stabilize at 60-80% higher than is current, possibly as high as 100% for certain goods such as drones and ammunition (and PvP and ratters are already protesting just how much T2 ammo costs). This does not take into account the changes in moon goo, which will fluctuate dramatically due to proposed changes there, this is just based off the changes to mining.
While this would likely have little impact on nullsec, the impact on high and low sec and would be heavy, and WH space, apocalyptic (most T2 in WH is imported from high sec rather than risk BPOs in WH space).
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
683
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:07:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch? moon changes are an improvement, ice changes are an improvement, i will need to poke around on sisi to see about exploration but I expect that to be an improvement, the pos changes (assuming they make it in) are an improvement |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
829
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:08:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: they could not meet demand for a reasonable price
lol "reasonable price"
the issue was whether people outside hisec will mine ice if the price rises high enough. that proves they will
the rest of your pathetic doomcalling is irrelevant
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
829
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:13:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Which one is more current, 2011 or 2012?
The example which is more relevant easily trumps the example which is slightly, and insignificantly, more recent.
Of course you will continue to side-step and squirm with terrible arguments because you have serious personality defects, so this is really a waste of time, and I'm going to, accordingly, stop responding to you. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
683
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:13:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: No, it was the last (so called "perma") Hulkageddon, not your Gallente interdiction.
Facts are YOUR enemy, just check prices of all ices, if you were saying the truth, you'd see only a Gallente ice spike, whereas all four ices spiked.
As I said, facts is a bold word in your mouth.
ahh right that, you see, that too does not help you. I cited the one where I know what it's effect on ice mining itself was (you see, because CCP told us in the devblogs about it). so I know for an absolute fact that jacking ice prices into the 1500s increases ice mining in null
but you, thinking you were secure in the relative lack of specific data during infinite hulkageddon, want to ignore the specific example directly on point.
you've made a critical error, now face the awesome power of this fully operational factstar
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63999/1/Mined_Volume_2.png
as you can see as mining in empire decreased during infinite hulkageddon, mining in 0.0 went significantly up from it's march doldrums. we do not know what percentage of this was ice mining, but given we have the gallente interdiction data it is safe to say your argument has been blown right out of the water
but i mean feel free to wildly flail about concerning facts easily checked i can do this all day |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1059
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:16:00 -
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Gonna enjoy moonwalking back into this thread in 3-4 months and proving everyone wrong.
Well, I'll have to make another thread for that, but whatever, you get the gist. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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