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baltec1
Bat Country
6145
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:46:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪyou can always play better, smarter, and/or with more numbers. SP won't help them in the slightest against those.
Better I cannot, because i lack SP to be better. Smarter won't work against stroner (due to SP diff). More numbers = more SP => fits within "more SP to win" formula.
Day old rifter pilots are better than you. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1529
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:46:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:silens vesica wrote:Indeed. Not quite enough to compensate for the mind-killing dreariness that is mining, but I suppose some folks can put up with that, and it *is* reliable. 40M ISK/hr for melting ice is probably close to the tipping point. If it were 50M ISK/hr, it would put me in a horrible dillema. even with 4hr gaps between site respawns? I could always Just melt rocks until a respawn.
Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? > Take all the PvP SP from that pile, and that will be how much SP you need to make tactics and being smart matter. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:48:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners.
Which is why we get all the Ice camped. Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
230
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:49:00 -
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You know you can always move your miners to nullsec now.
With the changes coming I think miners will be in demand in nullsec.
This will be a major boost to industry in nullsec (beyond building capital ships and combat boosters) |
Dave Stark
2973
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:49:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? > Take all the PvP SP from that pile, and that will be how much SP you need to make tactics and being smart matter.
that doesn't even make sense. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13942
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:50:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? > Take all the PvP SP from that pile, and that will be how much SP you need to make tactics and being smart matter. No, and that's not what I'm asking, now is it? I want a number, and I want it calculated correctly. Just add up the SP required for the various skills. The method you're suggesting isn't doing that.
So, again: how many SP do you need to beat me? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country
6145
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:50:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:silens vesica wrote:Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners. Which is why we get all the Ice camped. Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped.
Because they arn't camped now... |
Dave Stark
2973
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:50:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Dave Stark wrote:silens vesica wrote:Indeed. Not quite enough to compensate for the mind-killing dreariness that is mining, but I suppose some folks can put up with that, and it *is* reliable. 40M ISK/hr for melting ice is probably close to the tipping point. If it were 50M ISK/hr, it would put me in a horrible dillema. even with 4hr gaps between site respawns? I could always Just melt rocks until a respawn. Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners.
without a doubt. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:51:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:You know you can always move your miners to nullsec now.
With the changes coming I think miners will be in demand in nullsec.
This will be a major boost to industry in nullsec (beyond building capital ships and combat boosters)
That is the only thing left to do, quite obviously. |
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Dave Stark
2973
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:51:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:With the changes coming I think miners will be in demand in nullsec.
are you recruiting? i've been looking for a null sec space guild. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1529
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:51:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:silens vesica wrote:Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners. Which is why we get all the Ice camped. Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped. Rock melting isn't going to go away either. It may be relegated to a less-capable or adventurous (read: new or lazy) class of miner, but we're still going to need our scordite. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
103
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:53:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? > Take all the PvP SP from that pile, and that will be how much SP you need to make tactics and being smart matter.
Just looking at Tippia, maybe 2mill to beat, tops. From a quick glance, her most effective combat ship would be some version of T3 cruiser. You don't need a whole lot to tear down a T3, just some intelligence about game mechanics.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:55:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? > Take all the PvP SP from that pile, and that will be how much SP you need to make tactics and being smart matter. Just looking at Tippia, maybe 2mill to beat, tops. From a quick glance, her most effective combat ship would be some version of T3 cruiser. You don't need a whole lot to tear down a T3, just some intelligence about game mechanics.
Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got. So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13942
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:55:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped. What do you base this assertion on?
Quote:Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got. So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all. So you're at 700k SP now. That means the full 2M is about a month away. That's not GÇ£a few more yearsGÇ¥, just fyi.
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Just looking at Tippia, maybe 2mill to beat, tops. From a quick glance, her most effective combat ship would be some version of T3 cruiser. You don't need a whole lot to tear down a T3, just some intelligence about game mechanics. Most of the time, you'll find me in an interceptor or a blockade runner. They can both be tricky to catch, but beyond that, they'll fall apart to a n00bship. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped. What do you base this assertion on? Quote:Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got. So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all. So you're at 700k SP now. That means the full 2M is about a month away. That's not GÇ£a few more yearsGÇ¥, just fyi. Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Just looking at Tippia, maybe 2mill to beat, tops. From a quick glance, her most effective combat ship would be some version of T3 cruiser. You don't need a whole lot to tear down a T3, just some intelligence about game mechanics. Most of the time, you'll find me in an interceptor or a blockade runner. They can both be tricky to catch, but beyond that, they'll fall apart to a n00bship.
My assertions are all over this thread. You're gonna increase your SP as well, so it's years. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8126
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:59:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got. So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all.
Can you fit a tank? can you shoot guns or missiles? can you fly a frigate/destroyer/cruiser? if so you already a fair chunk covered, those skill people train up so that they can tank or shoot rats, they matter in PvP, as do most of the other core skills required to fly most ships, including industrials. There's a huge crossover between PvE and PvP when it comes to skills, you just fail to realise it.
A newbie in a frigate that has been PvPing since day one will kick the arse out of my sometime PvP pilot regardless of the 35m SP he has, because I don't have the experience of either my ship or tactics to beat someone who's been doing it for more than a couple of weeks or so, I rarely PvP especially in frigates. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Dave Stark
2975
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:00:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:My assertions are all over this thread.
we know, we've been laughing at them all day as you've been able to produce no evidence to give life to these "facts" of yours. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
103
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Most of the time, you'll find me in an interceptor or a blockade runner. They can both be tricky to catch, but beyond that, they'll fall apart to a n00bship.
Ohh, in that case, 900,000 SP will be more than enough. Web and MWD on a frigate. Decloak bumrush the BR, or just get in web range on that 'ceptor. No SP needed, just some crafty manual piloting skills. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:02:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got. So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all.
Can you fit a tank? can you shoot guns or missiles? can you fly a frigate/destroyer/cruiser? if so you already a fair chunk covered, those skill people train up so that they can tank or shoot rats, they matter in PvP, as do most of the other core skills required to fly most ships, including industrials. There's a huge crossover between PvE and PvP when it comes to skills, you just fail to realise it.
Yeah, I have all bases of becoming a victim to higher SP forum baiters covered. No, thank you. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13942
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:03:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:My assertions are all over this thread. Indeed they are, but the question was: what is it based on?
Quote:You're gonna increase your SP as well GǪwhich won't make any difference, and you'll still only need 2M total to beat me. So no, it's still just a month. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:My assertions are all over this thread. Indeed they are, but the question was: what is it based on? Quote:You're gonna increase your SP as well GǪwhich won't make any difference, and you'll still only need 2M total to beat me. So no, it's still just a month. I'm confused. How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6148
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:08:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm confused. How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.
You can only put so much SP into any one ship.
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Dave Stark
2976
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:08:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.
that's funny because you're the only one that has gone from the dev blog, to crying about high sec mining being dead and pvp being too hard for your small brain.
the rest of use can quite clearly see how the dev blog states great changes for mining and industry. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm confused. How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.
You can only put so much SP into any one ship.
It's years to max out any given ship. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4781
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:10:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes. Okay, cool. Problem is your logic is skipping a few key middle steps. |
Dave Stark
2976
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:10:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm confused. How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.
You can only put so much SP into any one ship. It's years to max out any given ship.
incorrect. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13942
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:11:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:I'm confused. No. Just a troll.
Quote:How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference? Because the skills I'm raising with that SP don't affect my ship in the slightest. If you can kill me with 2M SP now, you'll be able to kill me with 2M SP in a year. Or in two years. Once you start to beat me, you can keep beating me, and you can start in a month. So my SP increase makes no difference.
Quote:And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes. They don't say anything of what you're claiming. So what is your assertion based on? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country
6148
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:12:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm confused. How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.
You can only put so much SP into any one ship. It's years to max out any given ship.
A very basic caracal flown by a month old scrub is a very dangerous ship for any frigate. Even an hour old newbee in an ibis packing a t1 warp disruptor is a threat to a dreadnought. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1100
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:silens vesica wrote:Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners. Which is why we get all the Ice camped. Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped. Because they arn't camped now...
They're botted to hell now, which is the entire reason for this change.
.. And probably this thread, too.
EVE's dirty little secret is that the entire player built economy that CCP likes to tout is built on a Highsec bot backbone.
Just be glad the promised "move ice to nullsec" change apparently is dead on arrival -- althoughj, I hear there's only going to be 1 ice anom per highsec sector, which will despawn, so... Effectively moved to null, heh. |
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