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Shakantor
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:31:00 -
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I am fed up with loot thieves. they always reply... haha.. you cant do anything because the police will get you.
well, here is something for the scientists to develop - so - ha ha to loot thieves.
Scavenger Drones:
A drone that will tow the can to your ship and will only tow a can dropped by you, for you or that belongs to you or your corp / alliance, or that has been left alone for longer than a set time say 20 minutes. - giving you chance to clear it yourself. also, the scavenger drone emits a locking field around the can so that it cannot be opened by anyone else unless the drone is destroyed... if the drone is killed then.. here come the police!!!...
you could introduce jammers to make the drone release the can or unlock the can. but this would be violent act and police will come.
Just an idea.
Shak.
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FreeMind
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Posted - 2005.09.29 11:46:00 -
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Hi ... 
No Bad the idea ... but i have mean another method 
Will be good if we can place a high destructive explosive on the container.
The loot thieves will receive message ... 'You have 10 second to disamorce the charge ' ...
That will be good if you dont have Industrial ship or if u get the loot for a friend wo give you the disamorcing code.
All other will be destroyed from explosion ;) ... u'r loot .. too ..
It's just a idea and all player can use it ... no drones to train :)
The other advantage where that the asteroid belts will not be pollued from all this Giant Secure Cargo 
Sorry for my English
The isk be whith you :)
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.09.29 11:51:00 -
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standard answer.
How about you use secured cans?
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FreeMind
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Posted - 2005.09.29 12:09:00 -
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you can only put 3900m3 on secured can's
on jettison can you can put 27500m3 ... little better
But it's not secured .... he he
The isk be whith you :)
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.09.29 14:21:00 -
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Personally except for whatever code is absolutely nessasary for the jettisoned and droped loot cans to have the uber space thing, I think all jet cans and loot cans should automaticly resize to fit exactly whatever is in them.. I do not need an unsecure can that I can put massive amounts of stuff in.. No one needs that, and its an exploit to the game which CCP knowingly applied for miners getting started. Its stupid, and CCP should be slapped for implementing it in the 1st place because it set a bad precident for the game code.
I agree every player should use secure cans.. Nothing more or less, we will get used to it. Loot cans, should be asigned to the player with the killing shot, and deployed as a temporary secure can, only to be opened by the player with the kill shot. Or otherwise using a loot rights menu assign looting ability to a gang member.
These issues should never have been an issue. It suggests that there are no real gamers in the DEV team or corporate staff at CCP. Any veteran player of MMORPG's will tell you looting rights, and the ability to otherwise defend your loot, should be a major priority of game design.
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Brolly
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Posted - 2005.09.29 14:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Binary Mind
standard answer.
How about you use secured cans?
This doesn't work when you are in the middle of your mission and someone warps to your cans and loots your stuff whilst you are still dealing with your spawn.
I would personally like a self destruct system on cans which gives no warning, just a nice explosion which could destroy/damage some of the thieves ship components 
Alternatively you could have a tractor beam which could auomatically drag cans towards your ship for easy access, or drones, which has been talked about on many occasions.
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Xen Gin
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Posted - 2005.09.29 16:34:00 -
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Another game I play is Conquer Online, its a free MMORPG of ancient China. On shis, they have about a 1minute protection time on loot for NPCs/Environments. After that one minute anyone can then take the loot.
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2005.09.29 16:50:00 -
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This doesn't work when you are in the middle of your mission and someone warps to your cans and loots your stuff whilst you are still dealing with your spawn.
Test this in a blockade IV with a mate
someone flying in the ennemi ship looting can and could do nothing :(
I hope that one of the ship aggros the little frigate so we have one more can
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Jolal
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Posted - 2005.09.29 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jolal on 29/09/2005 17:16:07
Ashraaf, what you do is warp off and your spawn will begin to target them... If their looters they're most likely in a hauler and will get owned...
Reason they don't do anything is because CCP never intended for miners to use jetcans in this way. They were meant to hold loot from popped ships, thus anyone can open and take contents. That's why it can be dangerous to do so. After much demand from players when ore thieves first became popular (popular or theives???), CCP decided to meet players halve way and introduce secure containers. Only issue is that size is reduced. I doubt they will come out with anything larger than the 3,900m3 that they have now...
Edit: fixed a typo
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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2005.09.29 18:00:00 -
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You know this problem of loot drops could be solved very easily. Every can has a 20 minute timer on it. Other people cant even see it unless they are in gang or corp. That way theives think nothing is there. :)
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.29 18:20:00 -
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Standard answer = Do missions in lowsec or in a quiet system.
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Smart Bomb
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Posted - 2005.09.29 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Smart Bomb on 29/09/2005 19:31:26
This is not the 1st time this has been asked for, next time read previous forums and post. Anyways its part of the game, a jet can is considered trash so anything you put in there is free for anyone to scavange, if you dont like it buy secure cans and use those. I know you cant ancor them in Hisec but at least no one can get into them without the password. There has been talk about ccp creating scavenger drones or loot drones but nothing is in the works yet.
Additionally if you have isk to spare keep a cruiser in a safe spot and grab it and go pop the stealer, so concord pops you, but I think you feel like it was worth it much like i do when I first got ore theifed :)
ALso you can fill a hauler or some thing with secure cans and jet them all in one spot that way you have alot of secure cans with total equal m3 of a jet can. But if you dont like it, tuff really.
As far as your idea, If I were an theif I would just fit up a crappy frigate and blwo the drone up then after being poped by concord Id fly in with my hauler and take it all assuming you dont get back to it fast enouf.
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NoLock LetsNegociate
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Posted - 2005.09.30 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenvahar
I think all jet cans and loot cans should automaticly resize to fit exactly whatever is in them.
I love this idea. This look like the most logical solution.
When a ship explode it doesn't disapear at all nor morf to a big box. it's only thing that are not destroyed in the wrek. Can is only an easy grafical way to figure that.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.09.30 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Binary Mind
standard answer.
How about you use secured cans?
Ok, please show me how you get the NPC rats to drop secure cans, I would really love to see how you manage this.
As for the issue, I was under the impression that the loot cans would get the same change as the mining jet cans, ie if a person not "owning" the can (yes OWNING, thats how CCP explained the mining jet can changes) loots it then the real owner (or I asume his gang/corp) can open fire on the thief without concord getting involved.
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Ascuris Wurm
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:50:00 -
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From the "In Testing" list:
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Criminal flag pilots that take from jettisoned cans which don't belong to them
This is needed to allow the owner of the can to shoot the one taking from his own jettisoned can and to allow the owner to shoot anyone taking from the loot cans which drop from the NPC's the owner destroyed. This does NOT include a CONCORD response, only enables the owner to shoot without getting CONCORDOKENED himself. Could be applied to agent missions too, registering jettisoned containers to the mission owner.
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Sounds like ore thieves are going to have to actually be prepared for a fight when this gets implemented.
Wurm
"It's never too late to be what you could have been"
-George Eliot
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griff1972
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Posted - 2005.09.30 15:12:00 -
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why dont everyone just mine in low sec systems with protection and kill anyone who tries to steal ur can
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TotensBurntCorpse
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Posted - 2005.09.30 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: griff1972
why dont everyone just mine in low sec systems with protection and kill anyone who tries to steal ur can
Ok so newbs are ok with prats nuking them in low sec, but they can of course use giant secured cans.
The loot thieving is another matter, case in point is theft of the ITEM you need to finish the darn mission !!!!!!! Rats dont drop secure cans, you dont know the password if they did, the cans wont be anchored since the rat is dead (ie no time to anchor).
The above comments about doing missions in low sec systems is a bit short sighted as it tends to be a bit of show stopper for ppl doing level 1-2 missions due to death dismemberment and other pvp initiated nastiness.
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Resin Kadir
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Posted - 2005.09.30 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shakantor
I am fed up with loot thieves. they always reply... haha.. you cant do anything because the police will get you.
well, here is something for the scientists to develop - so - ha ha to loot thieves.
Scavenger Drones:
A drone that will tow the can to your ship and will only tow a can dropped by you, for you or that belongs to you or your corp / alliance, or that has been left alone for longer than a set time say 20 minutes. - giving you chance to clear it yourself. also, the scavenger drone emits a locking field around the can so that it cannot be opened by anyone else unless the drone is destroyed... if the drone is killed then.. here come the police!!!...
you could introduce jammers to make the drone release the can or unlock the can. but this would be violent act and police will come.
Just an idea.
Shak.
Read the sticky at the top of the development forum. This is already underway. Taking anything from another players can gives the owning player the right to shoot you without police intervention.
However, it's not mentioned if this applies to the cans that remain after shooting down NPC or structures. Maybe they retain the tag of the owner as well like carcasses do in some land based MMORPG.
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Resin Kadir
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Posted - 2005.09.30 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shakantor
I am fed up with loot thieves. they always reply... haha.. you cant do anything because the police will get you.
well, here is something for the scientists to develop - so - ha ha to loot thieves.
Scavenger Drones:
A drone that will tow the can to your ship and will only tow a can dropped by you, for you or that belongs to you or your corp / alliance, or that has been left alone for longer than a set time say 20 minutes. - giving you chance to clear it yourself. also, the scavenger drone emits a locking field around the can so that it cannot be opened by anyone else unless the drone is destroyed... if the drone is killed then.. here come the police!!!...
you could introduce jammers to make the drone release the can or unlock the can. but this would be violent act and police will come.
Just an idea.
Shak.
Read the sticky at the top of the development forum. This is already underway. Taking anything from another players can gives the owning player the right to shoot you without police intervention.
However, it's not mentioned if this applies to the cans that remain after shooting down NPC or structures. Maybe they retain the tag of the owner as well like carcasses do in some land based MMORPG.
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You sank my battleship!
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Vertigo Coalition - Shoot Squelch first, it was his idea! |
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