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blair Vyvorant
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:50:00 -
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Was wondering with the changes to the boosting system if rorqs and orca will retain system wide boosting ? I for one wouldn't like the rorq sitting in the middle of a belt in nullsec for a boost, can anyone clear this up or does it stay limited to command ships and sub cap? |
veera Haklar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:58:00 -
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I would hope the change is universal. People cant whine about of grid boosting being op in one case and allow it in another. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:00:00 -
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Off-Grid boosting was always dumb, for PVP and PVE.
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206023&find=unread[/url] |
Admiral Snowbird
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:07:00 -
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yes!!!!!
I would like to see the roq in the middle of the belt (in indu-mode for sure) |
blair Vyvorant
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:15:00 -
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Hmm I'm a pirate myself and would love some rorq Kms but you wouldn't catch me with capitals in belts so why would you expect Indy characters to put 3 bils of assets into a belt for a minor boost risk vs reward I think in this case it's not worth it |
Drunken Bum
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:29:00 -
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blair Vyvorant wrote:Hmm I'm a pirate myself and would love some rorq Kms but you wouldn't catch me with capitals in belts so why would you expect Indy characters to put 3 bils of assets into a belt for a minor boost risk vs reward I think in this case it's not worth it Miners. You know they'll do it. Spare some change?-á |
Marcus Druallis
Excessum Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:34:00 -
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Actually, Rorquals can be fit for pvp pretty well |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:56:00 -
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If they remove off-grid boosting for the rorqual then it won't render them useless, it will just change them to a barge carrying compressing machine.
They will still have a use, but not as powerful as before, nobody in their right mind would sit a rorq in the middle of a belt, press the button and hope that nothing happens for the next x minutes until the cycle can expire if they want it to.
It will devalue the rorqual a lot, and there will be many many threads on the forum, but change is change, not always good, not always bad.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1495
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:04:00 -
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Or, let's say, you have a mining colony with a foreman bunker that allows the Rorqual (or any other ship) to sit next to it and relay certain command link bonuses remotely. Sovereignty restricted, of course. Sovereignty and Population Moulds and water for the sandbox. |
blair Vyvorant
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:49:00 -
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Sov restricted is fine but when you live in syndicate and not sov it should be pushed for the whole of nullsec so smaller corps and alliances who live in npc can benefit too |
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:51:00 -
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blair Vyvorant wrote:Sov restricted is fine but when you live in syndicate and not sov it should be pushed for the whole of nullsec so smaller corps and alliances who live in npc can benefit too Then buy a region restricted booster module for your POS from the local Pirate LP store. Sovereignty and Population Moulds and water for the sandbox. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1526
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:53:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:If they remove off-grid boosting for the rorqual then it won't render them useless, it will just change them to a barge carrying compressing machine.
They will still have a use, but not as powerful as before, nobody in their right mind would sit a rorq in the middle of a belt, press the button and hope that nothing happens for the next x minutes until the cycle can expire if they want it to.
It will devalue the rorqual a lot, and there will be many many threads on the forum, but change is change, not always good, not always bad.
Amen.
I can see the Rorqs making tours of the system, with suitable escorts, moving from belt to belt, compressing and moving on to the next belt. Will make the role more interactive, and IMO more intersting. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:01:00 -
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If Rorqual OGB is removed then they need to decouple the boosting bonuses from the industrial core and place them on the hull itself.
Nobody in their right mind is going to deploy industrial core in a belt or a grav site for bonuses. That's just monumentally stupid. If they nerf OGB without making this change then the only use the Rorqual will have anymore is for ore compression, which is already at risk because of things like 425mm railguns. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4772
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:04:00 -
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Frankly removing OGB is unnecessary for several reasons and it's about as elegant of a solution to a perceived problem as "let's remove 1% off every resist bonus on every ship in the game without analyzing each ship individually". |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:33:00 -
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Marcus Druallis wrote:Actually, Rorquals can be fit for pvp pretty well
This, combined with the fact that putting a Rorq in a belt for the bonuses is so dumb, means that pretty much any Rorq PvP'ers find chilling in a belt is sure to be bait.
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Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:56:00 -
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blair Vyvorant wrote:Was wondering with the changes to the boosting system if rorqs and orca will retain system wide boosting ? I for one wouldn't like the rorq sitting in the middle of a belt in nullsec for a boost, can anyone clear this up or does it stay limited to command ships and sub cap?
its going to be ALL boosting ships. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:44:00 -
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blair Vyvorant wrote:Was wondering with the changes to the boosting system if rorqs and orca will retain system wide boosting ? I for one wouldn't like the rorq sitting in the middle of a belt in nullsec for a boost, can anyone clear this up or does it stay limited to command ships and sub cap?
I've not seen any solid changes being proposed by CCP yet. For what I can tell this is simply a pipe dream of theirs, and when it comes to practically making it a reality then I don't think it is going to be as easy as simply waving a wand and removing it. So where exactly do you have this information from? |
blair Vyvorant
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.04.29 00:24:00 -
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It very well might be a pipe dream, who knows, I was just wondering if the changes to boosting (if any) were to affect capital boosters or be restricted to sub cap |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.04.29 00:33:00 -
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blair Vyvorant wrote:It very well might be a pipe dream, who knows, I was just wondering if the changes to boosting (if any) were to affect capital boosters or be restricted to sub cap I don't understand what's all the buzz in this thread, as the last I read on boosting from CCP Fozzie was: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145763#post2145763 Did I miss something new?
Other posts: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2302150#post2302150
EDIT: Yes, I own a Rorqual. Yes, I have a max skill Rorqual pilot. |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.29 00:49:00 -
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This. As for if they did make the change, I think CCP knows damn well that if they applied it to rorquals and orcas, that'd be a massive nerf to 0.0 mining, and the end of people running rorq links for their mining operations. |
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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
221
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:10:00 -
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Removing off grid boosting functionality is a stupid idea to begin with. The proposed changes to Command Ships and T3 boosters are more than adequate to address the "problem".
Off grid boosts are a "thing" because currently the best possible boosts come from Tech 3's with a warfare subsystem. The problem is that in order to run 3 links on one of those ships you have to give up anything remotely resembling a tank by fitting multiple CPU and Grid hungry command processors the result of which being that only a fool would put those expensive and highly squishy ships where they can be easily identified and primaried by opposing Fleet Commanders.
By changing things so that Command ships (which can tank their asses off) provide superior boosts combined with removing the requirement to fit command processors on Tech 3 boosting ships CCP will eliminate the bulk of the incentive for using off grid boosters .
Off grid boosting is not without it's own disadvantages after all. They have to be put into position in advance or else the fleet will have to live without their boosts while they find themselves a safe spot to fire up their links (people do realize they don't work while in warp right?) while on grid boosters provide their benefits as soon as they come out of warp/gate cloak. They are poorly suited to fast roaming gangs which rely on mobility and surprise (which jumping in in advance of ones fleet to set up to provide boosts ruins).
I suspect that the once those changes go live that we'll see a serious reduction in the number of off grid boosters and that most boosts in the future will be provided by ships that are on grid with larger less maneuverable fleets favoring command ships and the more mobile favoring Tech 3s |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:30:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:If they remove off-grid boosting for the rorqual then it won't render them useless, it will just change them to a barge carrying compressing machine.
They will still have a use, but not as powerful as before, nobody in their right mind would sit a rorq in the middle of a belt, press the button and hope that nothing happens for the next x minutes until the cycle can expire if they want it to.
It will devalue the rorqual a lot, and there will be many many threads on the forum, but change is change, not always good, not always bad.
a very expensive barge carrier that has otherwise no use any more except for compressing ores and be honest if you had the patience to train for a rorqual you probably also have perfect refining skills moving the boost bonus to the hull itself is plainly stupid nobody will risk a 3 bil ship that aligns slower than a pregnant hippo in a belt
so yes offlgrid boosting by capitals should still be allowed they are after all special ships thzt can give a advantage if used properly I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
452
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Posted - 2013.04.30 10:28:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:If they remove off-grid boosting for the rorqual then it won't render them useless, it will just change them to a barge carrying compressing machine.
They will still have a use, but not as powerful as before, nobody in their right mind would sit a rorq in the middle of a belt, press the button and hope that nothing happens for the next x minutes until the cycle can expire if they want it to.
It will devalue the rorqual a lot, and there will be many many threads on the forum, but change is change, not always good, not always bad. I'd argue that changes that make certain features of a ship unuseable are quite bad. If such change is to hit, I'd like to see drastical reduction of Indy core cycle time and equal reduction of fuel consumed.
Also if boosters are to be moved on the grid, my firm belief is that booster pilot should have something to do there besides sitting in place looking fancy and maybe introduce some tweaks in order for those ships becoming valuable assets on the field besides links. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
657
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Posted - 2013.04.30 10:41:00 -
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Marcus Druallis wrote:Actually, Rorquals can be fit for pvp pretty well yea, exactly! in industrial mode with tank enough to hold fire from 2-3 supercarriers |
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