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Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:01:00 -
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Not so long ago, CCP stated quite unambiguously that they intended to start putting content for all playstyles into their expansions - including content for solo/casual players, who whether you like them or loathe them make up a significant percentage of the playerbase (and hence CCP's income).
Now fanfest is done presumably we've had most if not all the Odyssey content announcements, and I just wanted to review to see where the new content for solo/casual players actually is.
Resource redistribution: no ring mining, no ninja stealing of other people's moon goo, just the same old mechanic but with a bit of a change to what you can get, what you can do with it, and where the bottlenecks are. Nothing NEW here, nothing valuable to solo/casual players.
POS improvements: no modular POS (not even a start on this), just cleaning up some of the more glaring issues with the existing system. Again, nothing NEW, and very limited value to solo/casual players.
New ships: Well sure, we're getting new ships. But sh!t, how many ships do we already have? I know I haven't flown even a fraction of them, so adding more, and with no new features to them (no new T3's, just combat ships)? Adds very little value in my opinion. The Gnosis might be a cool addition, but if it's a one-time free gift it will just end up left in hangar gathering dust.
Scanning changes: whoopy-do, we no longer have to press a button to see what anoms are in system. And we get a flashy line going across the screen when we undock. Saving probe formations and multiple probe launch is nice for sure, but this is just very small quality of life tweaks ("little things") not significant new content.
Ore/Ice Site Changes: moving to anomalies, ice depletion, changes to ore mineral content: iteration, balance, good for null industry sure, but nothing new.
Exploration Mini-Games: Whether this adds content for solo players or not depends on what CCP are going to do to loot drops from the new exploration sites with this mini-game. If loot drops remain the same as they were, but spread out between dozens of dropped cans that a solo player can't possibly gather all of, then it's a nerf to solo/casual gameplay. If loot drops change radically, with chances of finding nice goodies that couldn't be found in these sites before, then it's adding value to all players (including solo/casual). I'll wait and see on this one, but still it's not NEW - it's an iteration on an existing element of the game. Could be good, could be cr@p.
Stargate Changes: Cosmetic. Nice eye candy, but adds nothing new in terms of gameplay, for anyone.
New Exploration Modules: When you take these in conjunction with the Astrometrics skill changes, this is actually a NERF to exploration. To get the same scan strength now as before you HAVE TO fit some of these new mods to your scanning ship. So now choose: weaker scan strength (i.e. longer to scan stuff down) or compromise on what else your ship can do? So new exploration modules in my opinion detract from exploration for everyone (not just solo/casual players)
Ship Rebalancing: as the name suggests, this is balance work, nothing NEW.
Null Industry Changes: excellent changes and I hope they revitalise null industry; but again, it's not new, it's balance/iteration. I'm not a developer, but I can't imagine it takes much time to change the number of manufacturing slots in an outpost. And for solo/casual players, well how many of them are null industrialists anyway?
Now don't get me (completely) wrong, I can see that a lot of these changes are needed (balance, iteration, eye candy) in a 10-year-old game; but I'm just surprised and disappointed at the lack of new content in EVE's 10-year anniversary expansion - I was expecting at least one of the big ideas to get at least started (ring mining & removal of moon goo to facilitate bottom-up alliance income generation; beginning the modular POS work; new scanning system etc)
Have I missed something obvious? Is there more to come from Odyssey? Or have CCP already given up on providing content for solo/casual players?
We have hints of new stuff to come: opening up Jove space (only good if what we find in Jove space is somehow different to what we already have in K-space and W-space); player built stargates. Could be cool. But Incarna could have been cool too.
TL:DR: Odyssey for solo/casual players = yet another underwhelming expansion. Still hopeful for the future. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:08:00 -
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"hey guys how do i play this mmo solo?"
Missing the point of the WHOLE GAME 101. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Dave Stark
2954
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:10:00 -
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hi, i hear you're a solo player.
let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality. it's called mining.
thanks for your time. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1498
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:11:00 -
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"I wanted Orange. It gave me Lemon Lime." Sovereignty and Population Moulds and water for the sandbox. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
732
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:13:00 -
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not ccp's fault you keep paying for a game that doesn't cater to you
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:15:00 -
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+1, you summarized it all pretty well.
It totally looks like a bunch of features which back in February were determined that could be put together by June and call them a expansion, but all in all DUST is taking the lion's share of dev focus and there's nothing for the silent majority of hiseccers, soloers, casuals and PvErs. We're not cool and so we get no cookies... again. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:18:00 -
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So far most everyone's missing the point. Not that I'm surprised much.
CCP said they were going to include content for solo/casual players in future expansions. I can't see it in Odyssey so far, so where is it?
I don't give a f*ck if you don't like the solo playstyle, CCP recognise they need our cash and committed to providing content for us - so where is it? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1668
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:20:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:
TL:DR: Odyssey for solo/casual players = yet another underwhelming expansion. Still hopeful for the future.
What exactly do you want? EVe is already too "solo friendly", you can litterally do everything in game except take sov or jump a capital ship solo (I was about to add incursions, but you can "solo" those with ISBoxer lol). Missions are pure solo content as is most shooting-involved PVE, hell you can solo all but 1 or 2 of the highest difficult DED plexes.
There is enough solo content. EVE needs ore group content like incusions, wormholes and now Data/Relic sites. |
Dave Stark
2956
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:24:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:So far most everyone's missing the point. Not that I'm surprised much.
CCP said they were going to include content for solo/casual players in future expansions. I can't see it in Odyssey so far, so where is it?
I don't give a f*ck if you don't like the solo playstyle, CCP recognise they need our cash and committed to providing content for us - so where is it?
where is it?
did you miss all of the mining changes? |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
719
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:24:00 -
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It's in Rancer. Oh god. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:27:00 -
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The Odyssey changes actually are rather interesting, because they swing in both directions of solo and group playstyles.
The last time they added a solo activity, CQ, it didn't go over too well. Once burnt.......... There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13932
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:28:00 -
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Promised where? If it was GÇ£not so long agoGÇ¥, then it sounds rather likely that it's far too early to want to see it in this patch.
Even so, exploration being made less horrible gives soloers more to do, so there you go. POS improvements and tiercide provides more content for everyone, including soloers. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
0wl
Pocket Pirates
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:29:00 -
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Seriously? Didn't you pay attention to the exploration changes? * Facepalm * |
Sarmatiko
1060
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:30:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:CCP said they were going to include content for solo/casual players in future expansions. Link to the actual post/interview where "CCP said this", can we have it? Without quotes this is just another thread full of bitter tears and false expectations from the product.
Also "future expansions" not necessarily means "we promise this for Odyssey". If you want your special snowflake solo gameplay now - freeze subscription and play X3, Elite or whatever.
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Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:30:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:
TL:DR: Odyssey for solo/casual players = yet another underwhelming expansion. Still hopeful for the future.
What exactly do you want? EVe is already too "solo friendly", you can litterally do everything in game except take sov or jump a capital ship solo (I was about to add incursions, but you can "solo" those with ISBoxer lol). Missions are pure solo content as is most shooting-involved PVE, hell you can solo all but 1 or 2 of the highest difficult DED plexes. There is enough solo content. EVE needs ore group content like incusions, wormholes and now Data/Relic sites.
What I want is more new content that can be done solo. Very happy if it can only be done solo at a disadvantage to groups, or with less reward than in groups. I love w-space, taken several (solo) long trips through w-space, even to C6s. Incursions annoy me, why shouldn't there be some minor incursion sites that can be soloed, I don't expect to be able to run an entire incursion on my own. Data/relic sites are not new, they're an iteration on existing exploration sites, and my OP clearly states I'm waiting to see what they're like before deciding if they're good or not for my playstyle.
What I want is for CCP to keep its promise. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
126
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:30:00 -
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0wl wrote:Seriously? Didn't you pay attention to the exploration changes? * Facepalm *
Things that the OP doesn't like to do naturally doesn't count. |
Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:31:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:So far most everyone's missing the point. Not that I'm surprised much.
CCP said they were going to include content for solo/casual players in future expansions. I can't see it in Odyssey so far, so where is it?
I don't give a f*ck if you don't like the solo playstyle, CCP recognise they need our cash and committed to providing content for us - so where is it? where is it? did you miss all of the mining changes?
Did you miss my OP? What's NEW in the mining changes? Nada. |
Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:34:00 -
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Sobach wrote:0wl wrote:Seriously? Didn't you pay attention to the exploration changes? * Facepalm * Things that the OP doesn't like to do naturally doesn't count.
Wrong, and wrong again. I do exploration, and I like it. I did pay attention to the exploration changes, and apart from the new minigame (which I did say I was going to wait and see if they're good or bad), the changes are cosmetic (new system scan on undock) or just bad (nerfed scanning skills and new scanning mods).
Did you even read the OP? |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:36:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:So far most everyone's missing the point. Not that I'm surprised much.
CCP said they were going to include content for solo/casual players in future expansions. I can't see it in Odyssey so far, so where is it?
I don't give a f*ck if you don't like the solo playstyle, CCP recognise they need our cash and committed to providing content for us - so where is it? where is it? did you miss all of the mining changes? Did you miss my OP? What's NEW in the mining changes? Nada.
ice. grav sites. mineral composition.
did you miss the dev blogs, and fanfest keynotes? |
Jantunen the Infernal
O C C U P Y
108
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:36:00 -
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Just buy more alts if you want to play solo. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13932
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:43:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:What I want is more new content that can be done solo. GǪand you're getting it. Hell, even Retribution delivered a bunch.
I have this sneaking suspicion that you think of GÇ£contentGÇ¥ in the themepark way: more GÇ£dungeonsGÇ¥ to grind, which is not something that will never get any dev attention GÇö especially not for soloistsGǪ What they give is us is tools. A whole pile of them. And then we create our own content. Very little given to us in the last year has not been usable for the purpose of creating content for yourself. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:46:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:"hey guys how do i play this mmo solo?"
Missing the point of the WHOLE GAME 101. MMO refers to the game model (many players online in the same environment) rather than the playstyle (social gameplay). |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
647
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:52:00 -
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I bet huge part of those $8.000.000 Star Citizen gathered from crowdfunding are from present EVE subscribers who want WiS and more solo content. I think SC will get even more money from EVE player base after Odyssey. |
Rhivre
TarNec
69
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:53:00 -
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There is plenty that can be done solo, including the stuff in odyssey... I am a solo player, and I am crazy excited about Odyssey
50% of players "usually" play solo...so they seem to find stuff to do somehow.
Although, many people mix up "Playing solo" with "Never interacting with anyone in game, even via chatting" |
Skorpynekomimi
501
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:03:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:"I wanted Orange. It gave me Lemon Lime."
It is ze maintenance man. He knows I like orange! **** |
Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:So far most everyone's missing the point. Not that I'm surprised much.
CCP said they were going to include content for solo/casual players in future expansions. I can't see it in Odyssey so far, so where is it?
I don't give a f*ck if you don't like the solo playstyle, CCP recognise they need our cash and committed to providing content for us - so where is it? where is it? did you miss all of the mining changes? Did you miss my OP? What's NEW in the mining changes? Nada. ice. grav sites. mineral composition. did you miss the dev blogs, and fanfest keynotes?
Do you understand the difference between *new content* and *iteration on / balancing of existing content*? Because ice, and ore, both already exist in game. In case you missed them. These change's aren't introducing anything new; they're not even changing the mining or ice gathering mechanism, just where the ice/ore is and what mins you get from them.
No new content. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1559
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:04:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I bet huge part of those $8.000.000 Star Citizen gathered from crowdfunding are from present EVE subscribers who want WiS and more solo content. I think SC will get even more money from EVE player base after Odyssey.
Them at SC are pushing a second campaing for getting up to 10 million so they can do their mocap inhouse and keep expanding content easily after release. It's more expensive than just rent the mocap facilities, but beyond certain threshold it's cheaper to run your own mocap than rent it.
And yes, mocap stands for "motion capture" and it's the foundation for avatar animation in games. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1668
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:09:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:
TL:DR: Odyssey for solo/casual players = yet another underwhelming expansion. Still hopeful for the future.
What exactly do you want? EVe is already too "solo friendly", you can litterally do everything in game except take sov or jump a capital ship solo (I was about to add incursions, but you can "solo" those with ISBoxer lol). Missions are pure solo content as is most shooting-involved PVE, hell you can solo all but 1 or 2 of the highest difficult DED plexes. There is enough solo content. EVE needs ore group content like incusions, wormholes and now Data/Relic sites. What I want is more new content that can be done solo. Very happy if it can only be done solo at a disadvantage to groups, or with less reward than in groups. I love w-space, taken several (solo) long trips through w-space, even to C6s. Incursions annoy me, why shouldn't there be some minor incursion sites that can be soloed, I don't expect to be able to run an entire incursion on my own. Data/relic sites are not new, they're an iteration on existing exploration sites, and my OP clearly states I'm waiting to see what they're like before deciding if they're good or not for my playstyle. What I want is for CCP to keep its promise.
Then this demonstrats that you are simply bored, what yo want already exists. Or are you going to tell me you've done every single 10/10 solo, every null sec and low sec COSMOS complex, every low sec lvl 5, every single high sec exploration room, every single epic arc missions at least twice, mined every kind of ore everywhere etc etc etc.
The ONLY non solo content EVE has is taking sov, jumping a capital ship (just jumping, it only takes one tooon to FLY the damn ship), top end wormholes and Incursions without ISBoxer.
You're literally saying "The whole game isn't enough, i want more". That a personal issue dude, not something wrong with the game or CCP's content addition schedule. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
595
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:11:00 -
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Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:Not so long ago, CCP stated quite unambiguously that they intended to start putting content for all playstyles into their expansions - including content for solo/casual players, who whether you like them or loathe them make up a significant percentage of the playerbase (and hence CCP's income).
Odyssey has, basically, NO new content. Okay, okay, faction BC... but that is pretty small. This release is clearly focused on fixing what is already here.
Radar and mag become more "multi-play", so I guess that is a hit to solo play content.
If you watched the keynote speech, they again called out solo/casual as a valid play style. They also put forth a pretty opaque, highly generalized possible vision of the EVE future.
I think the message is that high sec mining and missioning ain't goin' no where... even if the new content is going to be focused at group play. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
484
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:12:00 -
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Solo has a place in Eve absolutely, but not risk free and not without the risk of other player interaction either |
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