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Maggie Evenstar
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:37:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Could voice-recognition software like 'Dragon Naturally Speaking' be used to relay orders/communications to other players in a realtime typed format?
Unequivocally the answer is no. Dragon Naturally Speaking must be trained to the speaker and requires high quality input. Being deaf myself, I've tried to run Dragon through Teamspeak and Vent and the results are virtually unintelligible...even if only one person is speaking.
You can get a good idea of how limited untrained voice to text is by using the feature on Youtube. Youtube has an "automatic captions" option for videos that don't include captions (not to be mistaken for captions that have been manually added to a video). To see what I'm talking about, watch the video linked below with "automatic captions" turned on (accessible by the CC icon at the bottom of the video window.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_02lo5P3vE
These are results with only one person speaking...now image what Teamspeak or Vent is like...
If you find a person claiming to be deaf who uses voice comms and claiming to be using some voice to text solution successfully...they are in all likelihood not deaf and and trying to pretend they are for whatever reason. This really annoys me because, being a deaf player, I am asked to come on voice comms all the time and when I explain that I'm deaf there is always someone who claims to have known someone who was deaf who used voice to text successfully and that I should put a solution like that in place. The truth is, I'm not being difficult...there are currently NO workable solutions to allow deaf players to interact using voice comms. |
Maggie Evenstar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:33:00 -
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Harek wrote:Deaf player going on since 2005...it gets quite lonely in Eve at times. TS (Teamspeak) and Eve Voice is a huge barrier and countless corporations and alliances reject enough times. Founded my own corp and play with few friends. Any Deaf/HoH capsuleers chime in-game would be wonderful :)
CCP should balance out the need for the hearing and Deaf/HoH/Blind...equal access and break down the barriers plus discrimination/prejudice
-Harek
Okay, I'll rant a bit...
Here are a few of the more notable discriminatory treatments I've had in Eve due to my deafness.
1. Last year I tried to join Eve University but the recruiter said I could not join since I could not hear the voice comms due to the fact that I'm deaf. I appreciate their teaching new players Eve, but thought that treatment was absolutely reprehensible.
2. As a girl gamer, I was invited to join the Women Gamers of Eve channel of which I was a member for almost a year. The admin who invited me allowed me to avoid the teamspeak interview (to verify I am really a girl) because I shared with her my personal website, hosted under MYNAMEIRL.COM (which is also Maggie) and contained a number of photos of me. I had her send me a email from the contact form on the site to verify that it was me. I also let her see me on facebook and run a whois search on my website domain name to see my name yet again as the owner of the site (along with my cell number and home address!). In retrospect, this was all very very stupid of me to share like that but that's what I did. Then, about a year later, the main channel admin singled me out when she heard I was deaf and started asking me how I got into the channel. I told her, but she demanded the voice interview and removed me. I just thought the whole thing was incredibly rude and insensitive. I could let this person hear my voice or see me on cams, but after being targeted like that because of my being deaf...I have absolutely no interest in being involved with anything in which that person is involved.
3. Here is something that has happened a few times...I'll be in a fleet doing some sort of OP and suddenly convo goes completely silent for 10+ minutes...no one responding because they are not paying attention because they are on voice (not even a quick response saying "we are working on something in voice"). When I try to explain that I need to be kept better in the loop, on more than one occasion I've had guys respond that they think I'm trying to make the world revolve around me which is totally not true (not in these cases anyway  ). Some of that may be a perception because I am very chatty but chat is THE ONLY communication I have in here. I think there is basically just a total disconnect with a lot of people with what it is like to be deaf and what is required for meaningful interaction.
I find to play Eve, I have to find players willing to NOT use voice comms so that communication is steady. This means I have to avoid large fleet activities altogether (except for incursions)...which are pretty straight forward and don't require comms once you know what you're doing.
Okay...my rant is over...If you are deaf or would like to play with a deaf player...look me up. I live in WH space with Highsec access so it's pretty easy to get to me. |
Maggie Evenstar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:40:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Harek wrote:Deaf player going on since 2005...it gets quite lonely in Eve at times. TS (Teamspeak) and Eve Voice is a huge barrier and countless corporations and alliances reject enough times. Founded my own corp and play with few friends. Any Deaf/HoH capsuleers chime in-game would be wonderful :)
CCP should balance out the need for the hearing and Deaf/HoH/Blind...equal access and break down the barriers plus discrimination/prejudice
-Harek I'm sorry you've had a hard time. You'd be welcome in New Order Logistics I can tell you that. But CCP provides both text and voice options which seems to cover both those who can hear and those who can't. So your discrimination/prejudice claim seems a little weak. Now if players or corps won't play with you because you can't do voice coms, then that is their loss and their discrimination; not CCPs.
I'm sorry but this is just ignorant. There are many things CCP could do with the interface in Eve to make communications in fleet activities go much smoother...where txting or talking would not even be required to effectively identify orders and targets. I know there are some of these things in place...but they are so clunky and/or limited as to require additional comms for fleets to keep things straight.
This game could be fine tuned to the point where an FC could easily lead fleets without having to say or type a single word. |
Maggie Evenstar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:05:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:Maggie Evenstar wrote:
I'm sorry but this is just ignorant. There are many things CCP could do with the interface in Eve to make communications in fleet activities go much smoother...where txting or talking would not even be required to effectively identify orders and targets. I know there are some of these things in place...but they are so clunky and/or limited as to require additional comms for fleets to keep things straight.
This game could be fine tuned to the point where an FC could easily lead fleets without having to say or type a single word.
That's cool. I say hearing impaired people would be welcome in New Order Logistics, given no credit and then get called ignorant. I've been called worse so its Ok. That all sorts of things in this game could be fine tuned is an understatement of the highest order. That CCP provides a facility to use that accommodates both the hearing and deaf is indisputable. But tarring CCP with the "discrimination" goop for not having the perfect hearing impaired interface is fairly crummy I think. That some corps are tools who will not make allowances for the hearing impaired is unfortunate, but hardly CCP's domain.
Sorry to snip at you. This is an emotive subject for me. Kudos that your corp welcomes deaf players. |
Maggie Evenstar
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:33:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:To get back on track:
I bet this happens a lot, it is fun for the first 10 minutes but as the fleet starts to get exciting and people drink more beer or whatever the relay tapers off. In my experience this happens in most programs that require people to do something that is out of the ordinary.
A RL example...I was in court a couple months ago (no, I wasn't the one on trial) and they assigned 2 translators for me so they could take turns. Signing for hours is exhausting. For a large fleet engaged in prolonged activity...there has to be multiple people willing to relay. Besides sharing the work, it also doesn't leave us out in the cold if the person relaying has to log in the middle of the op. |
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