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Sundiata Arran
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:00:00 -
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I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart? |
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
169
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:20:00 -
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Perhaps you should go back and read the descriptions of the two different ships before you post on the forums complaining they aren't the same? I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
977
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:38:00 -
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should every ship be able to defend itself?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
799
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:50:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart?
Not every ship can do everything. You have to take into account what you want the ship to do vs. what it's actually good at doing.
The Probe/Cheetah are exploration ships, and are comparatively less 'punchy' than the harder combat frigates. The Rifter/Jaguar are better suited for a combat role.
For the record, I swear by the Jaguar. I'm a lousy combat pilot, but the Jag is a beast if it's properly fit. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
Sundiata Arran
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:51:00 -
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Funny. I did read the description before I posted on the forum. My point was that i didn't realize the T-2 variant would have less defense than the T-1. The question was rhetorical. |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
211
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:53:00 -
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In EVE, defending oneself doesn't always mean shooting back
...as shocking as that is for some people to understand |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2318
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:54:00 -
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CCP is working on rebalancing Tech 1 ships right now. They haven't gotten around to any of the Tech 2 ships yet.
Also... the Cheetah can cloak... which is far more defense than 4 drones can provide. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
128
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Posted - 2013.04.29 23:14:00 -
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hull types
t1 - standard t2 - specialized (removing functionality in some areas for vastly increased functionality in others) t3 - generalized (can be reconfigured for different role but should not out perform t2 in specialized roles, well at least after all the rebalancing is done ) faction/navy - improved over t1 stats for a price
the cheetah is a t2 ship, its a specialized version of a t1 ship (probe) and maximized some of its abilites at the cost of others. covert ops frigs such as the cheetah are intended to sneak around cloaked scaning out the enemy and are intented to be quite easy to kill should they be foolish enough to find themselves in combat. also as said above the ability to warp around with your cloak on is just about the best defence you can have |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
2109
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:27:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart?
Because the Probe (and all T1 ships up to BC) have already been updated during the ongoing tiercide.
The T2 ships havent. Do research before starting a whine thread. Saves me the mess of thinking I'm dealing with a stupid/lazy (choose which one applies to you) pilot. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Sundiata Arran
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:44:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart? Because the Probe (and all T1 ships up to BC) have already been updated during the ongoing tiercide. The T2 ships havent. Do research before starting a whine thread. Saves me the mess of thinking I'm dealing with a stupid/lazy (choose which one applies to you) pilot. Wow, that's pretty arrogant. You must be very proud of yourself. |
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J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
2109
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:30:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart? Because the Probe (and all T1 ships up to BC) have already been updated during the ongoing tiercide. The T2 ships havent. Do research before starting a whine thread. Saves me the mess of thinking I'm dealing with a stupid/lazy (choose which one applies to you) pilot. Wow, that's pretty arrogant. You must be very proud of yourself.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
T1 ships are general purpose ships.
T2 ships are specialized ships. They excel in their task but suck at others.
In your case...The Cheetah will excel in probing stuff. Then it's either reship into another ship that is good at the task at hand or have friends ready to warp to you so they can do the fighting. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
264
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:51:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:Funny. I did read the description before I posted on the forum. My point was that i didn't realize the T-2 variant would have less defense than the T-1. The question was rhetorical.
If your question was rhetorical and you didn't want people to answer it then what's the point of this post? |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:55:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, . . . . . ? [Cough} CovOps Cloak? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
979
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Posted - 2013.04.30 08:26:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart? Because the Probe (and all T1 ships up to BC) have already been updated during the ongoing tiercide. The T2 ships havent. Do research before starting a whine thread. Saves me the mess of thinking I'm dealing with a stupid/lazy (choose which one applies to you) pilot. Wow, that's pretty arrogant. You must be very proud of yourself. never mind j'poll. just think of her as the EVE version of grumpy cat.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
2109
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Posted - 2013.04.30 10:24:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:J'Poll wrote:Sundiata Arran wrote:I have a T-1 Minmatar probe that can fit drone. I trained for the T-2 Cheetah, and discovered it had NO drone capacity. WTF? How is it supposed to defend itself, and why is it weaker than its T-1 counterpart? Because the Probe (and all T1 ships up to BC) have already been updated during the ongoing tiercide. The T2 ships havent. Do research before starting a whine thread. Saves me the mess of thinking I'm dealing with a stupid/lazy (choose which one applies to you) pilot. Wow, that's pretty arrogant. You must be very proud of yourself. never mind j'poll. just think of her as the EVE version of grumpy cat.
Daniel...
Sundiata Arran wrote:Funny. I did read the description before I posted on the forum. My point was that i didn't realize the T-2 variant would have less defense than the T-1. The question was rhetorical.
Then why waste our time with some stupid whine thread. I rather help people with good attitude over those who whine about how their ship can't do everything. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:32:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:Funny. I did read the description before I posted on the forum. My point was that i didn't realize the T-2 variant would have less defense than the T-1. The question was rhetorical.
If your original question was rhetorical, doesn't that make this thread pointless? |
Dyphorus
VC Academy
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:51:00 -
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Because if you engage someone in a Cheetah, you're doing it wrong. The ship is not meant for combat. The Cov Ops cloaking device is a hell of a lot better defense than a single light drone. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
763
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:36:00 -
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Quote:Funny. I did read the description before I posted on the forum. My point was that i didn't realize the T-2 variant would have less defense than the T-1. The question was rhetorical.
Why do you think that t2 stuff is just "t1 but better in every way"? |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:49:00 -
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Anywho, to actually answer the question. The Cheetah has the magical ability to fit a cloak, which means you don't have to defend yourself because you're supposed to be hidden.
If you can't stay hidden.. well, Darwinism. |
Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:02:00 -
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Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Perhaps you should go back and read the descriptions of the two different ships before you post on the forums complaining they aren't the same?
Really. Not really something you would want known I would think. |
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Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:03:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:Funny. I did read the description before I posted on the forum. My point was that i didn't realize the T-2 variant would have less defense than the T-1. The question was rhetorical.
But you read the description. Makes sense to me! |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
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Posted - 2013.05.02 04:10:00 -
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Sarcasm will only get the response you got here OP.
As mentioned before if the question was rhetorical, why did you post it?
Instead of treating the people here trying to help you like idiots, how about you listen to what they are saying. Ignore the more troll type posts and take the information from the helpful ones.
Just my guide on how to post for advice. Your choice to listen or not. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."
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Whikebain Tres
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:10:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Why do you think that t2 stuff is just "t1 but better in every way"?
Because that's how it works in just about every other game ever made. That's even how it was in EVE until not so long ago. |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
2116
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:15:00 -
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Whikebain Tres wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Why do you think that t2 stuff is just "t1 but better in every way"? Because that's how it works in just about every other game ever made. That's even how it was in EVE until not so long ago.
Now. Try to say that again, but now make it sound like you are serious. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
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