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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:13:00 -
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Sometimes you just need to do something that's a little bit outside the law. Blow up a freighter, pod someone in low sec, or other nefarious activities that CONCORD frowns upon. Until now, the only way to get back in the good graces of the law was to kill belt rats for hours on end, but in Odyssey, we are changing all that.
In his new dev blog, CCP Masterplan discusses trading in tags for security status and how to use slightly underhanded CONCORD agents to get back on the right side of the law. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
940
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:15:00 -
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First Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
1087
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:16:00 -
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Thanks to everyone who attended my presentation at Fanfest. For everyone who missed it, this blog covers most of the same material. Please leave your comments below "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7932
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:19:00 -
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Now only if you could get above 5.0... more than once.
/c
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
638
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:25:00 -
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"They will be more common than office/faction spawns, but less common than the regular pirate NPCs that you see in the belts."
argh "it is somewhere between common as dirt and rare as a blue moon" argh argh argh
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1115
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:26:00 -
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Nice stuff is nice. |
Hoarr
Asgard. Exodus.
139
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:30:00 -
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How long do we think it will be before people who grinded CONCORD missions will flip their ****? |
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:31:00 -
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When you say that sec status will be on a -10 -> +10 scale, will this mean the 5.0 security cap is lifted? |
Zircon Dasher
190
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:36:00 -
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So to provide an alternate method of bringing sec status up you are introducing tags and then nerfing the ability to raise sec status the old way? I could get more than 3 tics in the pipeline every 15 min with the previous system so, in effect, actually ratting sec up will now be slower unless you increase the amount of sec gained with each kill fairly significantly. Was the idea that by making ratting up sec even more painful you will ensure that people will actually buy the tags or are all the revisions to sec gain going positive? Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:38:00 -
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Whats the difference between Concord standings and Security Standings?
Also, NPC 0.0 space needs some love! |
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Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
40
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:42:00 -
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Tasha Saisima wrote:Whats the difference between Concord standings and Security Standings?
Also, NPC 0.0 space needs some love!
Afaik Concord is a faction in its own right and offers missions, ergo you'd need standings to work for them on those missions. Sec status is self explanatory. |
Sheena Tzash
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:43:00 -
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Its a great sounding idea but I wanna ask a few more questions:
1) With the next expansion you've said that ore belts are getting a buff; but with the addtion of these new NPCs to those sites it will obviously increase the chance of visitors to those belts. What is the incentive now for miners to mine in these belts now that they are going to soon become mini PvP play grounds for people to 'rat4tags'
2) Will we have some ability to see an audit of a players sec status? I can see some people abusing this system by going -10, ratting back to zero, joining a nooby corp, puts on the 'innocent look' to get into the corp and then runs off, causes trouble and gets the nooby corp war deced and quickly does a road runner impression from the nooby corp and leaves them to face the music.
Rince & repeat for tears. |
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:49:00 -
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Sheena Tzash wrote:Its a great sounding idea but I wanna ask a few more questions:
2) Will we have some ability to see an audit of a players sec status? I can see some people abusing this system by going -10, ratting back to zero, joining a nooby corp, puts on the 'innocent look' to get into the corp and then runs off, causes trouble and gets the nooby corp war deced and quickly does a road runner impression from the nooby corp and leaves them to face the music.
Rince & repeat for tears.
You don't lose sec status for killing corpmates. So unless they were on a ganking binge and decided to switch things up with a corp infiltration, this doesn't apply.
Also, if the CEO didn't just mash "accept" on every pilot with a pulse and actually checked killboards and employment history, that might help too! But I understand, :effort: and all that. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4023
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:50:00 -
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Sheena Tzash wrote: 2) Will we have some ability to see an audit of a players sec status? I can see some people abusing this system by going -10, ratting back to zero, joining a nooby corp, puts on the 'innocent look' to get into the corp and then runs off, causes trouble and gets the nooby corp war deced and quickly does a road runner impression from the nooby corp and leaves them to face the music.
Rince & repeat for tears.
...which sounds totally awesome. WHY DO YOU HATE FUN?
The bottom line is, killboards still tell the story, and are an even more effective audit method than simply looking at security status. If someone goes around awoxing constantly, as long as the victims are posting their losses, it'll be obvious to other recruiters. I strongly believe that as long as they criminal is willing to pay the cost to do this repeatedly, and recruiters are lazy enough not to investigate killboard histories, than corps should suffer the consequences. This is a free-form capitalist dystopian universe, paying off the cops just feels right and this feature is long overdue. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
142
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:50:00 -
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Hah! Who needs lowsec CSM representation when we have CCP Masterplan? Love the change.
One thing though, I thought security status could only go up to +5, but the devblog mentions -10 to +10. Typo, troll, or for reals? |
Tsubutai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
195
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:51:00 -
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It would be useful to have some more information regarding the design goals for this feature. Specifically, how much do you think it should cost to achieve certain sec status increases, e.g. -10.0 to -2.0, -5.0 to -2.0, and -2.0 to 0.0, assuming that you're buying the tags from the market? Second, what sort of income do you want people who go hunting for these tags to be making? |
Zyrbalax III
Core World Imperium
81
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:59:00 -
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So... where's going to be the best place to sell these tags? Jita or another high-sec trade hub (which might be problematic for the people most likely to want to purchase them)? Or at the lowsec stations where you can trade them in?
As someone who enjoys the odd spot of lowsec ratting, I'm looking forward to this feature! |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
24
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:59:00 -
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Like |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1703
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:01:00 -
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LP trading after sec trading please eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4023
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:02:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:So... where's going to be the best place to sell these tags? Jita or another high-sec trade hub (which might be problematic for the people most likely to want to purchase them)? Or at the lowsec stations where you can trade them in?
As someone who enjoys the odd spot of lowsec ratting, I'm looking forward to this feature!
I'll just say there's a very good reason I sell all my illegal boosters in lowsec, not Jita. And its not because I give a crap about customer convenience. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
1091
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:04:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:Hah! Who needs lowsec CSM representation when we have CCP Masterplan? Love the change.
One thing though, I thought security status could only go up to +5, but the devblog mentions -10 to +10. Typo, troll, or for reals? CONCORD standing (like any other standing) has always ranged from -10 to +10. The reason that very few people have it above +5 is because NPCs have a 'max sec status bonus' attribute that is the maximum standing value that they can raise up to. There are no rats any more that have this value above +5, hence there is no way via ratting to get above this value. This won't change in the new system - the rats will still have this limit at which they stop giving sec-status increases.
(Back in the first days of EVE, there used to be other ways to raise CONCORD standing above this level, but those are no longer possible. Hence there are still a few very old characters out there that have such high CONCORD standings - there is no way to achieve it any more, and if they lose it, they'll not be able to get it back)
So, no troll, no typo, definitely for reals. Maybe we'll use this extra headroom one day for something interesting... "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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mkint
1019
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:04:00 -
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Farewell to consequences in EVE. :(
At the very least, some of this should be in highsec or something so it's not just a casual stroll in the park. This won't attract players to lowsec on it's own. At least putting the agents in highsec would mean that criminals would have to fly in front of a lot of players' guns before they can "push button receive sec." As it's designed, it's way too easy and low risk. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
mkint
1019
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:08:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:So... where's going to be the best place to sell these tags? Jita or another high-sec trade hub (which might be problematic for the people most likely to want to purchase them)? Or at the lowsec stations where you can trade them in?
As someone who enjoys the odd spot of lowsec ratting, I'm looking forward to this feature! Probably the same as data center tags. Prices and availability suck at trade hubs, but are okay in the data center systems themselves. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:08:00 -
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mkint wrote:Farewell to consequences in EVE. :(
At the very least, some of this should be in highsec or something so it's not just a casual stroll in the park. This won't attract players to lowsec on it's own. At least putting the agents in highsec would mean that criminals would have to fly in front of a lot of players' guns before they can "push button receive sec." As it's designed, it's way too easy and low risk.
Two consequences: 1) ISK cost for the tags (likely not too cheap) and the ISK "handling fee" at the concord station itself. So Cost per Gank has to be taken into consideration if you want to do the easy ISK route.
2) These new rats are lowsec belt only. Meaning you have to be in very obvious places in a PVP freefire zone to try and farm these guys, who are probably going to be infrequent at best. Its an Actual Risk, not something I'd expect a mission runner to understand. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1801
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:11:00 -
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Vladimir Tinakin wrote:mkint wrote:Farewell to consequences in EVE. :(
At the very least, some of this should be in highsec or something so it's not just a casual stroll in the park. This won't attract players to lowsec on it's own. At least putting the agents in highsec would mean that criminals would have to fly in front of a lot of players' guns before they can "push button receive sec." As it's designed, it's way too easy and low risk. Two consequences: 1) ISK cost for the tags (likely not too cheap) and the ISK "handling fee" at the concord station itself. So Cost per Gank has to be taken into consideration if you want to do the easy ISK route. 2) These new rats are lowsec belt only. Meaning you have to be in very obvious places in a PVP freefire zone to try and farm these guys, who are probably going to be infrequent at best. Its an Actual Risk, not something I'd expect a mission runner to understand. Or: The consequence is I open my RL wallet, purchase a PLEX, sell in game for ISK and use the ISK to buy tags and pay CONCORD. In other words an individual can circumvent in game consequences via out of game wealth. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
mkint
1019
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:13:00 -
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Vladimir Tinakin wrote:mkint wrote:Farewell to consequences in EVE. :(
At the very least, some of this should be in highsec or something so it's not just a casual stroll in the park. This won't attract players to lowsec on it's own. At least putting the agents in highsec would mean that criminals would have to fly in front of a lot of players' guns before they can "push button receive sec." As it's designed, it's way too easy and low risk. Two consequences: 1) ISK cost for the tags (likely not too cheap) and the ISK "handling fee" at the concord station itself. So Cost per Gank has to be taken into consideration if you want to do the easy ISK route. 2) These new rats are lowsec belt only. Meaning you have to be in very obvious places in a PVP freefire zone to try and farm these guys, who are probably going to be infrequent at best. Its an Actual Risk, not something I'd expect a mission runner to understand. lowsec isn't that risky. Not something I'd expect a nullbear anom farmer to understand. Maybe more risky than the big blue donut, but still, not very risky. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:14:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: Or: The consequence is I open my RL wallet, purchase a PLEX, sell in game for ISK and use the ISK to buy tags and pay CONCORD. In other words an individual can circumvent in game consequences via out of game wealth.
You can do that now via buying a new character on the Bazaar.
Money makes it all better. Or a reasonable facsimile of "better". |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew
225
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:16:00 -
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Now to see the spawn rate. I'm quite hopeful about it. I do hope the tags to get closer to zero are fairly common. It would be a good way for newer players to keep above -5 till they are more situated as well as helping those who so fear sec loss a bit more incentive to taste the sweet nectar of explosions. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4023
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:17:00 -
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mkint wrote:lowsec isn't that risky. Not something I'd expect a nullbear anom farmer to understand. Maybe more risky than the big blue donut, but still, not very risky.
Ad hominem arguments never go out of style, do they. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Sheena Tzash
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:17:00 -
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Vladimir Tinakin wrote: You don't lose sec status for killing corpmates. So unless they were on a ganking binge and decided to switch things up with a corp infiltration, this doesn't apply.
I didn't say anything about killing corp mates, but someone could go out and cause enough trouble elsewhere to pick up some unwanted attention.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:...which sounds totally awesome. WHY DO YOU HATE FUN?
I don't hate fun - I just don't want to see small new corps under threat from players infiltrating corps to cause enough trouble to get decs.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: The bottom line is, killboards still tell the story, and are an even more effective audit method than simply looking at security status. If someone goes around awoxing constantly, as long as the victims are posting their losses, it'll be obvious to other recruiters. I strongly believe that as long as they criminal is willing to pay the cost to do this repeatedly, and recruiters are lazy enough not to investigate killboard histories, than corps should suffer the consequences. This is a free-form capitalist dystopian universe, paying off the cops just feels right and this feature is long overdue.
Killboards are an external tool and not always obvious for people to check; especially for new players and new corps. The whole thing about checking for AWOXers is comical enough without adding more complication:
http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20120625-8bb4c.png
At the end of the day you wouldn't allow a repeat offender into your company or organisation without some careful consideration and if the game / system is hiding this 'rap sheet' then it makes it difficult for people to make an educated judgement of character. |
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