I can pay for frigs and dessys and a few cruisers with T1 lp. Normally Im fine kicking minmatar butt in a slicer or thrasher but every now and then I want to fly something more grown up. I spend my time in eve doing FW things, should that mean Im resigned to flying t1 frigs? Is that what FW is supposed to be now?

T1 is ********. T5 is stupid. FW missions are the most messed up thing in eve at the moment.

Well, if the Amarr gain the upper hand again, it should get interesting. Time for the Gallente to buckle down and defend home systems from the Caldari farming horde.

You're absolutely right he did not. Either you misread the sentence or I typed it wrong. But Amarr had been at Tier 1 or a bazillion and a half months. Again. No correlation at all. Can't make isk at Tier 1. I get it.

And *gasp*, people take advantage of the higher tiers. Completely proves the point that... umm... err... I'm sure it proves a point somewhere. Oh yeah. Players can get stinking filthy rich in FW - AND they can get massive numbers of kills in FW too. With the same character.

. Whats revealing is how little pvp someone gets when they decide to capture as many plexes as they can.

I also feel entitled and think that I should fly ships that don't fit in the plexes (where I'm supposed to get fights in FW). When Gallente FW hits Tier 1 I think I'll go do something else where I have to actually take time out of my day to go PvE for isk.

Change your emo all caps "AND" to an "or" and I think I would agree. But sadly if you are really trying to gain as much sov as you can for your militia you won't get much pvp. That is what the data demonstrates.

Let's get something straight here:
1. When I tried to win the sov war I got fights and my side won. (Check out December killboard stats)
2. When YOU try to win the sov war, you get neither fights nor do you win.

QED.

Let's get something straight here:
1. When I tried to win the sov war I got fights and my side won. (Check out December killboard stats)
2. When YOU try to win the sov war, you get neither fights nor do you win.

QED.

When we started pressing systems our pvp dropped substantially.

And Minmatar kills skyrocketed when the Amarr started pushing. It's almost as if going on the offensive requires taking more risks with your ships than sitting in one system farming kills.

So its our fault the minmatar won't fight? ....

Maybe we'll cry on the forums or something when we hit Tier 1. Like we didn't do last time.

Change your emo all caps "AND" to an "or" and I think I would agree.

Since you claim plexing is a pvp mechanic you would think that the time of gallentes plexing push November and December would show higher kills for gallente than the January and February (when the plexing push ended).

But the November and December killboards are lower than the January and February killboards for the gallente corps I checked. For example, 2900 kills for qcats in november and december versus 5200 for january and february. Your corp 2700 for november and december and 4000 for january and february.

Since you claim plexing is a pvp mechanic you would think that the time of gallentes plexing push November and December would show higher kills for gallente than the January and February (when the plexing push ended).

But the November and December killboards are lower than the January and February killboards for the gallente corps I checked. For example, 2900 kills for qcats in november and december versus 5200 for january and february. Your corp 2700 for november and december and 4000 for january and february.

People need to stop being such crybabies. In reality FW is only ever going to be as good as your opponents.
Sure killing a T1 frig in a hookbill while you have OGB and a head full of snakes might make some feel very manly and cause them to prance around pretending to be PvP god. In the end that must get boring ( some individuals exlcuded).
Both sides are required for a good fight and fun PvP.
Amarr have had it easy, usually minmatar would show up. If there were to many they would dock up or ship up. Now they will have to roam looking for a fight. It will just take some getting used too for both sides.

In the end, you are about to find out that having 1000s of farmers on your side is neither fun nor desirable.

Anyway Amarr and Minmatar need each other. So limit yourself to some petty smacktalk and get past any butthurtious you might be suffering from. This goes for everyone who wants to PvP in FW.

And Minmatar kills skyrocketed when the Amarr started pushing. It's almost as if going on the offensive requires taking more risks with your ships than sitting in one system farming kills.

yes Cearain, to determine pvp as related to plexing we should look at the KB of the farmers that always run, instead at the killboards of the pvpers involved.

I take it that you agree that Gallente (not you) can win the Sov war AND get fights (lots of them).

Otherwise you wouldn't be attempting to claim that a corporation that gets 2700 to 2900 kills over a two month period is not getting fights.

The only lack of fights we got during the sov push was when the Caldari decided to not fight (Southern Placid, OMS). In that sense you're right. Winning convincingly helps the other side "decide to do something more fun."

And I never claimed I could win the sov war. I would never even attempt it, with these mechanics.

Well we did. AND we got massive amount of pvp too. Kind of ruins your thesis, but I'm sure that won't stop you from posting.

Now now, don't encourage him.

People need to stop being such crybabies. In reality FW is only ever going to be as good as your opponents.

They sacrificed pvp in order to orbit buttons. Once the push was over they could get back to pvping as normal.

Yes your corp got some kills. I wasn't claiming they got absolutely no kills in that time. RollBut Gallente had substantially fewer kills during the 2 month push to win soveriegnty than they had in the 2 months immediately after.

The biggest difference is lack of fleeting while doing an organized push. Before I would run a few fleets a week minimum and get some bigger fights. That's more kills and some fun pvp.

And we did push a home system. We forced Electus Matari from their home and made another alliance quit FW. The problem with that was they were Russian and Euro TZ so we were plexing against a clock not against enemy fleets.

While this has some truth to it - a lot of pvp after that came from frantically defending systems from people trying to plex it. In the months after the push, I didn't get more kills so much because I stopped orbiting buttons and just looked for fights - I got more kills because so many people were trying to plex my home systems (Nisuwa and Notoras are both strategic systems to hold) that I had a CONSTANT flow of targets to fight just to maintain control of the systems (In fact, I had a night where I did nothing but fight for about 8 hours straight into the wee hour sof the morning, no break whatsoever).

And those targets came for the LP, because the home systems were the only systems left to plex.

I think youl find alot more people joined the caldari after they got steamrolled like evoke and cal mil alliances who left for a while because they were kicked outa there homes. Who made a big push at first and gallentes fought them all so more targets = more kill mails simple maths