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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:48:00 -
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Under normal circumstances, I would call the perpretrator the "killer of 58 people" but if we were to assume the Caille shootings were an attempt to sabotage Gallentean and Minmatar relations, then someone is certainly giving off a ****-eating grin in their maximum security prison cell.
I just hope those behind closed doors realize this. I pray they are merely doing what all pragmatists do, and that is soothing the understandable populist outcry in a controlled fashion, the best way they can. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
116
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:16:00 -
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My suspicions exactly, Seriphyn. |
Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
45
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:22:00 -
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The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
116
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:33:00 -
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Something I attempted to change.... But it has become clear the FIO has other mechanations in mind. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
487
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:38:00 -
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Darius Shakor wrote:The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark.
Case and point. |
Hadrian Tivianne
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:28:00 -
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Darius Shakor wrote:The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark. Of course.
It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1029
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:18:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Something I attempted to change.... But it has become clear the FIO has other mechanations in mind.
It's amazing how many of my problems with the Federation simply melt away when the FIO is removed from the equation. I try not to buy into conspiracy theories, but if you put a bullet in the Black Eagles and I put one in all the Provists, I wonder if there would even be a war between our two people? |
Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
46
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:20:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Case and point.
Your case was that the shooter is winning in his goal as though the blame rests on him. My point was that he shot a bunch of my people and the Gallente give us nothing but silence. We are angry at the Gallente government because of their actions, not just those of the shooter. I am not seeing your point at all.
Let me spell mine out for you again since I may have been too subtle to break through the fog of smug self admiration you Gallente always coat yourselves in.
Maniac shoots dozens of Minmatar civilians in Gallente space. We demand justice be seen for our people.
Gallente police scoop him up and nothing is heard about him ever again. No details, no name, not even why he did what he did or an offer to share information about him with our government. As a bare minimum of what has been asked, as some of it is more tricky and legal, this should not be hard to extend to us in light of the situation.
End result, we are mad at the Gallente government because of this. The shooter did not force them to silence. So let us not pretend this is the case in one neat little package.
Hadrian Tivianne wrote:Darius Shakor wrote:The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark. Of course. It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.
I was not aware that the Gallente have a tradition of spiriting away a mass murderer and shrouding him in secrecy after his arrest. I must have missed this in cultural awareness lessons as a child. Are all your criminal cases held in complete secrecy away from the eyes of the cluster at large?
But please keep throwing these weightless accusations around. They are nice and shiny and distract people, as you are well aware, from the actual point I was making here. Ancestors forbid you should form an opinion on that. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
224
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:28:00 -
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I'm hearing that the Republic Fleet intruded into Gallente space, with a fleet of dreadnoughts, and opened fire on the Federation Navy forces there, losing several of their capital ships.
There's probably some kind of lesson here. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
723
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:37:00 -
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Hadrian Tivianne wrote: Of course.
It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.
No one is demanding that you respect our traditions, you buffoon. We're asking that you do what's right. We ask to be treated as trusted allies and not to be kept in the dark.
Were our roles reversed you'd ask the same.
Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, today isn't really the best of times to be starting a bunch of silly **** with us. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
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Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
43
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:48:00 -
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I hate to pour water on troubled waters but... Don't you perhaps consider the possibility that perhaps the FIO and RSS were sharing intel up till recently, they just have not told us because we as Capsuleers, the kings of capriciousness and the queens of anarchy, couldn't keep a secret even if our lives depended on it. Case in point was a Capsuleer who should know better and who I won't name and shame. He decided to leak information that would be considered classified by all right thinking people then had the tall to ask why he had not been told of this information firsthand. However given recent events I would be surprised if the RSS and FIO are now sharing anything other than two way range space. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
488
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:28:00 -
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Case and point.
Again. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2731
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:57:00 -
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These shooters are never just random nuts, especially when you look at what happens next.
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Hadrian Tivianne
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:12:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Hadrian Tivianne wrote: Of course.
It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.
No one is demanding that you respect our traditions, you buffoon. We're asking that you do what's right. We ask to be treated as trusted allies and not to be kept in the dark. Were our roles reversed you'd ask the same. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, today isn't really the best of times to be starting a bunch of silly **** with us. Why is your definition of right better than anyone else'? That is clearly the issue at hand here. Trusted allies do not invade sovereign space. Twice. They continue to use diplomatic channels regardless of the amount of time or stress it causes. That is how diplomacy works. "Doing what's right" is meant to be right for both sides, not one.
So, firstly I will ask how a Republic fleet invading sovereign space is "right" by both sides? I'll then ask how after not getting it's way, it is "right" for that fleet to open fire on Federation ships?
You have absolutely no idea what I would do if the roles were reversed, your statement is empty.
As for your final statement about today, I'm not going to touch it. I suppose if you feel that flaunting the fact that a Republic fleet may as well have started a war is acceptable as some form of intimidation, that's your choice. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
170
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:32:00 -
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It's amusing to see there's always that one person who immediately latches onto all kinds of conspiracy theories.
I've warned you for quite some time now Shakor is a crazy warmongering lunatic. However, if it will be easier for any of you to blame it on some kind of a conspiracy to get the Federation and Republic into war, go right ahead; some of those theories can actually be quite amusing. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
490
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:59:00 -
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The last time a military force menaced peace under Midular's mandate, she took radical steps to get rid of it.
The irony.
Case and point indeed. |
Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
156
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:37:00 -
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Midular united the tribes... against their allies.
Everything is proceeding as the prophecy foretold! CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
478
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:37:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:I'm hearing that the Republic Fleet intruded into Gallente space, with a fleet of dreadnoughts, and opened fire on the Federation Navy forces there, losing several of their capital ships.
There's probably some kind of lesson here.
Naglfar's suck as capital ships?
Anyway, for all we know, the shooter is a Gallente ultra-nationalist. In which case, the Roden administration is doing exactly what he wants...which would be unsurprising, as this would not be the first time that Roden Industries has been connected to a would-be assassin. I'm sure you all have read past news stories. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
363
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:36:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Something I attempted to change.... But it has become clear the FIO has other mechanations in mind. Can you truly be this blind. They invade and you blame your own government. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
124
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:46:00 -
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Stilwater corporation. An Angel Cartel subsidiary. Why should you be passing judgement on Federation politics again? |
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TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
98
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:59:00 -
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Quote:Can you truly be this blind. They invade and you blame your own government.
No wonder the FIO have lost confidence in Mr Soter and have asked him to resign. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
366
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:07:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Stilwater corporation. An Angel Cartel subsidiary. Why should you be passing judgement on Federation politics again? I am not. I am passing judgement on you. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
124
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:24:00 -
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I will say here what I've said elsewhere: the federal administration refused any compromise. When Mentas Blaque put the priority of his Black Eagles above maintaining a decades-old alliance with the Minmatar people, then he's gone disastrously wrong as a leader.
We all know he places an undue influence on Federation politics. Now he meddles in our alliance politics.
At the end of the day, tens of thousands of people have died. Compromise could have spared their lives. Neither side compromised. Who went wrong? Both sides. But I am a citizen of the Federation; and it is my solemn duty to hold my leaders accountable.
I have done so, and they have labeled me traitor. Their own press release belies their deception and cover-up:
With regards to our belief the suspect held by the FIO is a clone trooper:
"If this is what your military "analysts" are telling you, it would be a good idea if you fired them. All of them. Immediately. There is literally not a single similiarity between this incident and the attempted assasination of Tibus Heth, other than the fact a gun was pointed at a person, and was summarily discharged."
If this man was simply a human being, and not a DUST soldier, why the hell would they need to hold on to him? Surely they've tortured the remaining sane information out of by now. The other parts of his overly dramatic statement are entirely false; a single assailant, numerous casualties incurred by the attack, and a high-value target. Clearly some inconsistent information, and yet you, Mr. Syagrius, don't seem to care.
Let's be clear, I am not against the Federation, and I will remain loyal to the Constitution and its values to the end of my days. But the Administration has committed acts today which leaves me with serious doubts about their priorities and their ability to best execute the interests of the people of the Federation.
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Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
44
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:34:00 -
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Soter... I'd suggest you sit down and shut up. Quite a few casualties tonight may have been prevented had you had the sense not to leak classified information into the public domain. I think that's why they're calling you a traitor and they have a point there. My alt has two Gnosis, how does he smell?Awful. |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
98
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:06:00 -
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Quote:If this man was simply a human being, and not a DUST soldier, why the hell would they need to hold on to him? Surely they've tortured the remaining sane information out of by now. The other parts of his overly dramatic statement are entirely false; a single assailant, numerous casualties incurred by the attack, and a high-value target. Clearly some inconsistent information, and yet you, Mr. Syagrius, don't seem to care.
Let's be clear, I am not against the Federation, and I will remain loyal to the Constitution and its values to the end of my days. But the Administration has committed acts today which leaves me with serious doubts about their priorities and their ability to best execute the interests of the people of the Federation.
Death Squads , torture , secret prisons maybe Mr Soter you can tell us about ? Where they hold people without charge. Has this shooter been charged yet ?
This is what you are loyal to. This is why the Caldari fight for justice. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
491
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:25:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Stilwater corporation. An Angel Cartel subsidiary. Why should you be passing judgement on Federation politics again?
Nice fallacy: guilt by association. |
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:28:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Case and point.
Again.
Not empty quoting. |
Vinh Trahn
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:33:00 -
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Even the smallest pebble can cause the greatest landslide. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
990
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:30:00 -
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Deleted cause, well, Meh. Doesnt matter. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Aquila Shadow
BetaMax. CRONOS.
169
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:41:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:I'm hearing that the Republic Fleet intruded into Gallente space, with a fleet of dreadnoughts, and opened fire on the Federation Navy forces there, losing several of their capital ships.
There's probably some kind of lesson here.
Don't let idiots FC? -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
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