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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:03:00 -
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// FOR PUBLIC RELEASE - PA1 //
Tonight, in the orbit of Colelie VI, a peace that many thought secure was in one small act ruptured, and continues to haemorrhage as we speak. We can hear it, in the moans of the wounded, the cries of those now dead and the silent screams of those in the captivity of the acolytes of Sansha Kuvakei.
No act, no kind words can replace what we have lost, Chief Midular knew this better than many of us.
Whatever may have occurred at the higher levels, whoever issued the orders, we sorrowfully condemn the failure of both parties in this dispute to keep diplomacy on the agenda, and formally petition the Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation to cease any hostilities and negotiate an armistice as may be needed.
It was said by many of my own Matari brothers and sisters who witnessed todays bloodbath, but I re-iterate here, now, to both parties that this is not the path that Karin Midular would have ever wished for the cluster. With so much death, so much uncertainty and fear in this small patch of stars, we implore the Federation and Republic to remember the value of a human life, and to sit at the table of negotiation and heal this wound upon the face of peace and stability.
We ever hopefully await what comes next.
Signed The Synenose Accord
// FOR PUBLIC RELEASE - PA1 //
N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:25:00 -
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The Synenose Accord has released an official After Action Report of the Battle.
Battle of Colelie 115.05.07
Signed, Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Dr. Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2732
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:30:00 -
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I will lend my signature to this petition as well.
What happened today was not necessary and it was a pointless waste of life.
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Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:47:00 -
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Consider it signed, N'maro.
To the wider community of Federation and Republic loyalists consider this: you are being manipulated by those who style themselves your political masters.
There is no such thing as an 'extradition' obtained by force, by military or physical aggression. Such an action is known by other words: abduction, rendition. Invasion.
By contrast, extradition is an ancient diplomatic mechanism whereby one sovereign nation - in this case the Federation - surrenders a suspect or convicted criminal to another nation. It involves a process of request and due consideration and is regulated by formal treaties - contracts if you prefer - which exist between the two states.
Within these treaties there are usually agreed upon bars to extradition determining the conditions under which a nation may deny the requests of another. One of the key bars that seems to be in play here relates to jurisdiction - the suspect is a Gallente citizen and the crime took place with the Federation. This bar appears central to the Supreme Court's decision to refuse extradition. Other bars relate to the nature of the crime - in this case a political one - and the prospect of fair representation and trial within the Republic, as noted by the Supreme Court's statements.
So it's black and white, yes? Federal citizen, Federal soil. Concerns about the highly politicised nature of the murder.
No.
Within most Federal extradition agreements there also exists a concept that we know by the ancient phrase aut dedere aut judicare - the maxim that dictates one state must either "surrender or prosecute" with due process and expediency.
The Ray of Matar was shot approximately one month ago. The suspect has been in Federal custody for all of that time. There seems little doubt over his guilt or ability to stand trial and experience shows that in most investigations the time for obtaining relevant, actionable intelligence from an individual rarely exceeds 72 hours.
So the question becomes why does the Federal court and - by extension - the Senate and Presidency ignore the decree of aut dedere aut judicare. The Republic wants justice served, an entirely understandable and reasonable sentiment. The lack of a transparent and expedient judicial process is the thorn which must be removed before we can begin to heal the wound the Ray of Matar's passing has left us with.
I add to the petition then:
As a Federal citizen, I request the Supreme Court acts according to the ancient concept of aut dedere aut judicare. That it takes immediate action to either surrender or prosecute. That it does so in order to see natural justice served, international relations preserved and an end to the violence and tragedy this terrible act has sparked. And that we might see the curtain raised on whatever secrets a public trial might reveal. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Anton Duvalier
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:55:00 -
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I cannot speak for my corporation, my CEO or my alliance, but as nothing more than a Federation citizen I endorse this petition.
After months of fighting to defend the Federation's borders, I turn around to find that my beloved country has already been gutted from the inside out. The actions of both sides feel like a betrayal, yet the betrayal of the FIO and Federal Administration stings the most. Is this what I've been fighting for? A government professes liberty yet practices fascism? An alliance that turns to bloodshed over bureaucracy?
Personally, I will refuse any order to open fire on Federal or Federation forces in this conflict, since as a citizen-soldier I am obligated to refuse any order that is illegal or treasonous. I will not actively betray my government, but neither will I take part in actions that betray the ideals that are the foundation of our law.
If enough of us say no, if enough of us refuse to take up arms against our allies, then perhaps our government will be forced to listen to reason. |
Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:19:00 -
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I will definitely sign this petition, a war between the Federation and Republic is a scenario neither side wants. Immortality is overrated. |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L.
73
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:29:00 -
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The cost of peace seems dreadfully simple. The Minmatar just want one individual.
Is that individual's federal rights to a supposedly just trial worth more than the resources it will cost the federation to keep their allies at bay?
Will the Federation continue to ally with an entity that repeatedly violates their sovereignty in pursuit of what they think is justice?
It's a very interesting time, and the whole cluster is watching. |
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:41:00 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:The cost of peace seems dreadfully simple. The Minmatar just want one individual.
Is that individual's federal rights to a supposedly just trial worth more than the resources it will cost the federation to keep their allies at bay?
The amount of demands any of the Four could make of another whilst being economically preferable to a hot-war is rather high, isn't it?
So how far should the bullying be allowed to go? Won't it only encourage further demands to be made in this fashion if the Federation yields this time?
'The cost of peace...'
Yeah, I don't like that sentiment. Not one bit. When you put it it like that, it sounds a lot like negotiating with terrorists. |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L.
73
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:54:00 -
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How many will you sacrifice for this one man, Gallente?
How many do you think the Minmatar will sacrifice to see their justice done? |
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:01:00 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:How many will you sacrifice for this one man, Gallente?
How many do you think the Minmatar will sacrifice to see their justice done?
Me? I personally don't give much of a crap about where the guy is held. If it was up to me I would have handed him over on day zero. But I'm worried about these developments. Not as a Gallentean; I'm no patriot. As a human being I'm worried, because depending on how the politicians tread now, a lot more blood could be shed.
What you're describing is extremist behavior. I think you're being illogical by condemning the victim of blackmail for not submitting to his oppressors. And before you start, no, the Gallente aren't being oppressors to the Minmatar. So far the Federation has acted in jurisdiction of it's territory. |
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Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L.
73
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:06:00 -
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Yes, What I am describing is extremist behavior. I am condemning the victims of blackmail for not submitting to their oppressors.
Welcome to the Golden side of the fence. I always found some sort of connection with the Gallente. Now you've found a connection with us. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
895
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:02:00 -
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I would like to see peace, though I can't see this "alliance" continue nor do I want to see it continue.
Signed. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
991
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:16:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:I would like to see peace, though I can't see this "alliance" continue nor do I want to see it continue. The corrupt, backward, and braindead Republic has been violating the laws and regulations of New Eden far too often to be forgivable.
We should of seen this coming. They attacked CONCORD in Yulai for crying out loud, how could we be fooled into thinking they wouldn't be willing to attack us?
Once Karin Midular's term as Prime Minister ended, peace was removed off of the Republics to-do list. Now that she's dead, peace was added back onto the list, just with the word "destroy" in front of it.
Lets bring back peace, but not this one-sided alliance.
Signed.
Cries for peace while making thinly-veiled calls for action against the Republic.
Who'd have thought, eh? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:21:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote: Cries for peace while making thinly-veiled calls for action against the Republic.
Who'd have thought, eh?
Don't mind him.
We're not all like that, honest.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
897
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:22:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:
Cries for peace while making thinly-veiled calls for action against the Republic.
Who'd have thought, eh?
This may come as a surprise to you, but it is possible to take actions without resorting to violence and thus, maintaining peace.
We could disband the alliance, cut off all aid, commence a trade embargo, put forward economic sanctions. There is a lot we could do without even firing a shot.
The pen is mightier than the sword. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
723
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:04:00 -
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You know, it's times like this that make me ashamed that I maintain my Federal citizenship.
Fred you're a hypocritical bigot. You speak from both sides of your mouth. On the one hand you call for peace and understanding yet, at the same time make disparaging racist remarks against all Matari. So much for all those high-minded ideals enshrined in the Federal Constitution, eh?
You've recently begun making a living as an entertainer; a supposed rational party who lampoons all those guilty of warmongering, intolerance and injustice. I suggest that you take a long hard look at your own words and actions and consider satirizing yourself. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
32
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:19:00 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:How many will you sacrifice for this one man, Gallente?
It seems about as many as the Republic is willing to. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1040
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:32:00 -
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Gratitude is an ill-fitting garment. One that the Republic has, perhaps, been wearing for too long.
Perhaps it would be best for both sides if the aid was cut off and the relationship between the two parties of the Minmatar/Gallente alliance returned to a quid pro quo basis. The absolute worst move at present is to treat the Minmatar as if the aid you're giving them means you have any right at all to dictate policy or treat them as a client race. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
34
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:27:00 -
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Re: Kamilla, Donatien, Ava, Fredfredbug4, Annabella, Nicolas and Pieter.
While I understand each of the positions you take and respect the dedication and passion with which each of you debate them I'd remind you that this stream is a petition for the rapid and peaceful resolution of the current tensions between the Republic and the Federation.
Please try to forego attempts at propaganda, backhanded compliments and personal attacks that already have their place in so many other streams currently appearing in the IGS. If you do post here, try to focus on simply answering the request to sign the petition - either in the affirmative or negative - and if you wish to include your reasons for doing so.
Your reciprocal respect for the intent of this stream is much appreciated. O. Rundle Director of Intelligence The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
792
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:44:00 -
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DSTON supports this and all efforts to generate peaceful resolve to the conflict now embroiling the Republic and the Federation. Garments of peace must replace the armor of war and this is true most of all in the words that each side speaks to the other. Peace begins with the careful and self-controlled choice of words.
Seek to heal your enemy with your words and you may find that the balm you spread brings your own healing as well. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
908
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:16:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:
Fred you're a hypocritical bigot. You speak from both sides of your mouth. On the one hand you call for peace and understanding yet, at the same time make disparaging racist remarks against all Matari. So much for all those high-minded ideals enshrined in the Federal Constitution, eh?
You've recently begun making a living as an entertainer; a supposed rational party who lampoons all those guilty of warmongering, intolerance and injustice. I suggest that you take a long hard look at your own words and actions and consider satirizing yourself.
Oh look, it's you, as if my day couldn't get any more irritating.
First off, exactly how am I being racist? Where have I ever made a racist remark? Look anywhere in my post history, my show, even communications channels. I will personally pay you for each example of blatant racism you can find.
You are correct though, I do call for peace and understanding. However I'm a realistic person and I speak my mind and the truth, unlike someone like you. Someone who will cry buckets of tears over conflict and destruction while initiating in said conflict and destruction. Yet, you still have the nerve to call me a hypocrite.
I do not want this conflict to escalate, however I have learned in my life that forgiveness is something you have to hand out only when people deserve it. When the RSS violated Federation space, we forgave them, now look at what we got for this forgiveness.
I want peace and understanding, and that can only be achieved if we make sure that the Republic do not commit these foul acts again. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
908
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:18:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote: Please try to forego attempts at propaganda, backhanded compliments and personal attacks that already have their place in so many other streams currently appearing in the IGS. If you do post here, try to focus on simply answering the request to sign the petition - either in the affirmative or negative - and if you wish to include your reasons for doing so.
Your reciprocal respect for the intent of this stream is much appreciated.
Very well, I will honor your request.
I will not withdraw my recent statements to Anabella, though I will not make any more. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
440
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Posted - 2013.05.09 20:16:00 -
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Signed
Peace,
-Ch+¬ Biko Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:00:00 -
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I support this initiative. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
117
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:51:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/republic-fleet-force-destroyed-entering-federation-despite-capsuleer-pleas-for-peace/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/violence-against-minmatar-immigrants-reported-in-federation/
We thank the President for his open commitment to preserving peace. However we also urge that he take steps to ensure the violence against Matari in the Federation, as this will only exacerbate the situation and make peace harder to maintain. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:55:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: First off, exactly how am I being racist? Where have I ever made a racist remark? Look anywhere in my post history, my show, even communications channels. I will personally pay you for each example of blatant racism you can find.
I'm reminded of you saying "How can I be a bigot? . . . I even fly minmatar frigates."
But here's one: "The Republic already has various vagabonds to deal with, more than any of the other empires." from this post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2955778#post2955778
And to try and defend that statement, you cited a source that merely says "a fair number of minmatar act outside the law," a statement that refers to all Matari throughout the galaxy, not just those within the Republic, thus in no way supporting your bigoted racial stereotype, and doesn't even indicate that there are a larger percentage of Matari acting outside the law than of any other race.
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