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Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
10
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:37:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote: This does not take into account people enjoying the activity of mining and doing it for fun, neglecting the economically sound viewpoint entirely. .
Don't have time to go through the whole post (just skimmed it) atm- will do a more complete read later.
In regard to the part I quoted:
You decide to play a game during your leisure time. In this game you recieve 5 monopoly monies for letting your favorite pornstar/actress/actor give you a BJ. In this game you recieve 10 monopoly monies for letting Quasimodo sodomize you with a front-end loader.
According to the part I quoted it appears you beleive that the person who earns 5 monopoly monies is ignoring sound economic principles.
I hope a more thorough reading of you post later will put your comment into a reasonable and logical context.... |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
19
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:50:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote: This does not take into account people enjoying the activity of mining and doing it for fun, neglecting the economically sound viewpoint entirely. . Don't have time to go through the whole post (just skimmed it) atm- will do a more complete read later. In regard to the part I quoted: You decide to play a game during your leisure time. In this game you recieve 5 monopoly monies for letting your favorite pornstar/actress/actor give you a BJ. In this game you recieve 10 monopoly monies for letting Quasimodo sodomize you with a front-end loader. According to the part I quoted it appears you beleive that the person who earns 5 monopoly monies is ignoring sound economic principles. I hope a more thorough reading of you post later will put your comment into a reasonable and logical context....
If, for some reason, the person valued monopoly money enough to take a sodomizing from Quasimodo wielding a front end loader (wouldn't it be more of a back end loader?), then yes, the economically sound viewpoint is taking the sodomizing. Unfortunately this is not a good example as you are putting two rewards in one situation, and one reward and one punishment in the other. This is also an extreme example that does not happen. By this analysis this can be accepted as an invalid argument.
A more reasonable example would be the difference between chopping down your own tree to split into firewood, which requires seasoning to dry it out, versus buying a cord of seasoned wood. That wood you chopped down has a labour cost which exceeds the amount of effort and time (double whammy) that a minimum wage paying job has in purchasing power for an equivalent cord of wood. |
Suki Okiwana
Sceptical Hippo Inc.
3
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:40:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Quote: You call that rational profit maximizing behaviour? Very cute. If doing anything else resulted in negative utility, yes, I would call that rational profit maximization behaviour.
Either you just proved you don't know what the concept is or you are a complete moron who argues economic principles are invalid in EVE because everything we do there is leisure time. I am going to respond assuming the former.
Rational consumer behaviour is one of the simplifications employed by economists to model complex real world processes and relationships. It describes the expected behaviour of the average consumer: striving to maximize utility by consuming the most goods and services possible. In order to achieve that it has to maximize its income. Giving away ISK violates the assumption. The rational consumer BY DEFINITION does not do random **** like this, that's the whole point of the concept. Do you really think you can argue the validity of models that deal with global averages by pointing at one guy and saying he's nothing like that?
Zircon Dasher wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote: This does not take into account people enjoying the activity of mining and doing it for fun, neglecting the economically sound viewpoint entirely. . Don't have time to go through the whole post (just skimmed it) atm- will do a more complete read later. In regard to the part I quoted: You decide to play a game during your leisure time. In this game you recieve 5 monopoly monies for letting your favorite pornstar/actress/actor give you a BJ. In this game you recieve 10 monopoly monies for letting Quasimodo sodomize you with a front-end loader. According to the part I quoted it appears you beleive that the person who earns 5 monopoly monies is ignoring sound economic principles. I hope a more thorough reading of you post later will put your comment into a reasonable and logical context....
Again your example is flawed. Economic principles are derived from real world free markets, you can't force them to work in an environment that clearly does not have one. If it did prices would reflect the utility the general public attributes to the two activities. Or if you insert the game into the real world, the virtual money has no value beyond contributing to the enjoyment of winning the game. So the sound economic decision is to measure the value of winning + quality time with Quasimodo against losing + BJ from... well in your friend's case, since he seems to be so special, Quasimodo again I guess. |
Ricand Michelliaos
Unholy Apostate.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:37:00 -
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Hi. Ricand Here. Missioneer/miner/ Pvper/ 3 year Noob. I'm not amazing at any one thing, but I have training in most things. I've spent three years in this game, and I still don't know what I want to do. Everything is fun.
And While I admit the thread got kinda boring to read and I stopped reading about halfway through plus the last page here, I still feel like some of the Miners are kinda standoffish and mean. OP was just asking you why you like mining. It's just like asking a chef why they like to cook, or why an artist likes to paint. There's nothing wrong with mining. I have spent time mining. I find Mining calming. Simple. Easy. There isn't the stress of having to track targets and wonder if I've got a point on me. I don't have to continuously reactivate my weapons or change my drone's targets. I didn't have to worry about locking the right enemies or accidentally killing the trigger. The biggest worry I had was Wondering if I could fit the next cycle in my cargo bay. At the same time, I have not invested as many points in shooting rocks as I have at shooting ships. I'm not a dedicated miner and usually do it when I'm burnt out from missioning, I'm waiting for people to come online or when I have nothing else pertinent to do. Don't read that wrong. I have spent 5-6 hours in an asteroid belt, mining all of it clean. I have spent entire days with previous corps/alliances doing Mining ops, hauling and refining. I love the miners that I have met and hung out with, they've seemed like really cool people. You guys get really deep into this game, and I'm just coyly pawing the surface. You talk about the economy and how miners are vital. I find it intriguing. With the Oxygen Isotopes fiasco going on, it's obvious you're not lying. You speak truths, all of you. But at the same time, slandering and name calling because someone doesn't agree with you on a viewpoint in a video game? Let it go mate. Have fun doing what you do. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
11
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Posted - 2011.11.01 08:11:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:This is also an extreme example that does not happen....this can be accepted as an invalid argument.
It was an extreme example (sodomy by fron-end loader is p. funny though admit it), and I was really only setting up a scenario that could be readily recognized as more fun (BJ option) or less fun (sodomy option). But it is not invalid because it proves the principle. Which was all I was aiming for at this stage.
Quote:If, for some reason, the person valued monopoly money enough to take a sodomizing from Quasimodo wielding a front end loader (wouldn't it be more of a back end loader?), then yes, the economically sound viewpoint is taking the sodomizing.
By your own admission the person who takes the 10 monopoly money option is making a statement of preference. The person is willing to give up some amount of fun (BJ) in exchange for some increased amount of monopoly money (5). Therefore we have one point along an implied indifference curve- with monopoly money on one axis and fun on the other axis. I assume that you know and agree with the connection between indifference curves, marginal utility, and profit maximization (microecon 101) so I wont go further. In other words: people who enjoy fun activities and do them precisely because they are fun are not neglecting the economically sound viewpoint as you earlier claimed.
Quote:Time is limited in this case, as humans are mortal...... they in fact paid with their time.
I do not dispute these statemtents in relation to real life. That being said, time does funny things depending on how it is used/concieved.
First- In RL, our actions use up time and so have a cost attached to them. The cost of leisure time is time that could have been spent working/sleeping/ doing chores. Once we decide to use some of our time for leisure the RL cost is incurred regardless of the nature of leisure activity. The fact that we are mortal does not factor into any equation after this.
Second- Because the time alotted to leisure is generally fixed, the cost of one activity over another activity is enjoyment (in the broadest sense) not time.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
19
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:23:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote: etc...
None of your points in this post prove that mining your own minerals can be free and that time was free, which was your original comment. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
39
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:35:00 -
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with all of the discussion about MIMAF ... I'm a bit surprised that Akita hasn't stepped in and laid down the law :)
Ricand (few posts up) gets it. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
11
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:02:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote: etc...
None of your points in this post prove that mining your own minerals can be free and that time was free, which was your original comment.
They rebutted your objection regarding inefficiency. |
Trin Javidan
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:14:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:GROW BRAINS..(no don't that might be even worse).
If nobody mined.....NO SHIPS....NO GAME.
Why should it be entertaining ?? Is ANY aspect of ANY heavy industry 'fun'? NO !
Who says everything has to be pew-pew either ??
Sometimes I wonder if people really understandhow all the pieces of this game fit together.
I really don't think they do, and your question, OP, only exposes your ignorance of MANY things.
Your WRONG; if nobody mined ore prices would only clib by 25-30% since rest of ore comes from reproccessed mission loot or refined drone alloys. They high end ores come form reprocessed high end drone alloys since u can chain drone battelships and make 80 million isk per hour by doing this!! This is why high end ore price dropped while amount eve industry went up |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:17:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote: etc...
None of your points in this post prove that mining your own minerals can be free and that time was free, which was your original comment. They rebutted your objection regarding inefficiency.
Actually they didn't. In a nutshell all you said was that you were having fun and therefore you don't care, in multiple different ways. |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
40
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:40:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:GROW BRAINS..(no don't that might be even worse).
If nobody mined.....NO SHIPS....NO GAME.
Why should it be entertaining ?? Is ANY aspect of ANY heavy industry 'fun'? NO !
Who says everything has to be pew-pew either ??
Sometimes I wonder if people really understandhow all the pieces of this game fit together.
I really don't think they do, and your question, OP, only exposes your ignorance of MANY things. Your WRONG; if nobody mined ore prices would only clib by 25-30% since rest of ore comes from reproccessed mission loot or refined drone alloys. They high end ores come form reprocessed high end drone alloys since u can chain drone battelships and make 80 million isk per hour by doing this!! This is why high end ore price dropped while amount eve industry went up
Will need to look into this more deeply, but IIRC the drone poo is a source of highends more than low/mid. Last time I played with the numbers, it was about 10-12% more expensive to build a ship from drone poo (based on drone poo value rather than the value of the refined minerals as compared to just buying the minerals off the market).
Highend ore might go up a little bit; but the low/mid prices will probably go up a little more than the 30%.
sure drones can be farmed extensively RIGHT NOW ... but didn't CCP mention they were lessening the refined goo or doing away with it altogether? |
GreasyCarl Semah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:04:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Just FYI, I run 3 accounts with one Orca and two hulks and I can pull roughly 60 million an hour on Pyroxeres. I would think with 6 accounts you could do much more but the problem would most likely be finding the rocks. This is a maxed out 107m sp Orca pilot as gang leader with the implant..
No you cannot, a maxed out hulk gang boosted pulls approximately 162,000m3 per hour, which is approximately 19 million per hour, two hulks pulling in a mere 38 million an hour, far cry from 60 million an hour. I don't pull these numbers out of my ass this is according to Halada's mining guide, adding up all the bonuses plus gang links and then using http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore which has an updated view of mineral prices multiple times daily. The guide is relatively recent and miners haven't gotten any new bonuses in time anyway. And don't forget that processing, travel and selling all chew into this value, so it's even lower than expected. Don't make **** up.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I pulled 190K pyrox in one hour tonight without drones and switching belts. lol |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
38
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:11:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
I already posted in here before, but the true answer to WHY DO YOU MINERS MINE?????
Welp, it's so that ships can be built that allow YOU to FLY IN SPACE.
Plain and simple.
{ OP's brain goes DURRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH }
That feels much better now. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
143
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:54:00 -
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This question gets asked so many times - yet the answer is always the same:
There are several reasons why a rational person might mine: 1) Hauling minerals from another location might be too costly/risky 2) Mining scales well with # of accounts. yes, you can make more money by running missions, but it is difficult to run 12 different missions on 12 different accounts simultaneously. However, there have been many successful multi-account mining operations carried out. 3) Mining requires very little attention, and allows you to multi-task. You can update market orders, watch a movie, babysit your kids, read a book, etc etc... 4) A person might find it rewarding to mine their own mineral and build something from start to finish. This is DIFFERENT than the irrational belief that "minerals you mine are free". |
Velicitia
Open Designs
79
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:25:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:This question gets asked so many times - yet the answer is always the same:
There are several reasons why a rational person might mine: 1) Hauling minerals from another location might be too costly/risky 2) Mining scales well with # of accounts. yes, you can make more money by running missions, but it is difficult to run 12 different missions on 12 different accounts simultaneously. However, there have been many successful multi-account mining operations carried out. 3) Mining requires very little attention, and allows you to multi-task. You can update market orders, watch a movie, babysit your kids, read a book, etc etc... 4) A person might find it rewarding to mine their own mineral and build something from start to finish. This is DIFFERENT than the irrational belief that "minerals you mine are free".
1) not so much (for me anyway). the "too costly" can lead to MIMAF thinking. 2) indeed. 3) completely agree (unless you're Chribba and running 37 mining accts at once ... ) 4) Sometimes it also comes down to a bit of "free" -- i.e. you're in the game anyway, and it's cheaper/easier to mine for that 10m trit than it is to buy it. |
Lugia3
Triangular Initiative STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:35:00 -
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I prefer gunmining. I live out in droneland so we can just shoot our way through some anomalies and out comes a battleship. To bad drones don't have bounty also. |
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer Une Pour Tous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:10:00 -
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I mine to build things
I only sell my spare tritanium/pyerite.
I find missioning very boring, i feel like "Oh noes not this mission again".
I spend most my time managing my PIs anyway, this gives me nearly 70m isk per day.
Of course with a Tengu i'd do this in 2 hours but oh well, i can't fly it, i'm stuck with my Gila cuz i don't have skills for cruise missiles. |
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer Une Pour Tous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:19:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I pulled 190K pyrox in one hour tonight without drones and switching belts. lol
Well this is 4,2M isk and hour, i think i did better mining with my old Vexor
I have maxed Orca and 2 hulks, and my maximum theorical isk/h is 35.7M on viscous pyro.
If you get 60M/h on pyro please let use know how
You need at least bistot for this income... |
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer Une Pour Tous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:20:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:I prefer gunmining. I live out in droneland so we can just shoot our way through some anomalies and out comes a battleship. To bad drones don't have bounty also.
Would love to do this but ppl holding sov there would kill me |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:49:00 -
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To be honest, missioning & fleet pvp is no different from ming rocks that pop real fast. You target, shoot, and move on to the next rock(target). Try fleet pvp in abaddon and you will realise how much similar it feels to mining ;) |
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Rykuss
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:00:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:As a sister post to my Missioners: What is your goal? , miners, why do you do what you do? The people who actually sit and mine, not botters. I dabbled with mining myself but it was usually a spur of the moment thing for a period of 3-4 hours early morning due to lack of sleep. What makes mining interesting enough to you that you do it days and weeks on end? Large scale miners who operate multiple accounts feel free to chime in as well. Even operating 6 hulks and an orca, you are still doing the same tedious task of scan rocks, target rocks, shoot rocks, just more of it to the point where this once low attention task requires more attention due to the volume of work that needs to be done. Is this something you enjoy doing concurrently while watching a movie, or reading a book? If so, why not just enjoy the movie or book and drop EVE from the equation? Saves you 15 bucks a month. What is the draw in doing this menial task even if it is at the same time as something more interesting? Again, as stated in the Missioners post, this is not a flame / troll / bait of miners. Even though my viewpoint is that it is a waste of time, this is not someone else's viewpoint, this is not someone else's opinion. I am curious as to why this entertains you, the miner. Industrialists who mine their own minerals "because it's free" need not reply. Incompetence is not a viewpoint.
I mine because I enjoy it, honestly. I operate in multiple regions, usually in some backwater system that time forgot. I see and meet some nice people and some not so nice. I won't say that there is no allure to the playstyle of those who pew, I do have that inner warrior screaming to be unleashed afterall. There are many goals that I feel are only attainable through interacting with others, joining a corp. I have no problem with that as that's how it should be. However there are some goals I've set for myself, goals I want to achieve on my own first. Maybe it's silly but I want to achieve these goals, not to brag about to anyone but for myself.
There are several corps that I've checked out that I would apply to, if they would have me, but only after I've achieved my personal goals. I feel that joining a corp, and being an asset to that corp, requires a bit of self sacrifice and most of all focus. I don't want to find myself with a constant nagging of not achieving those personal goals while trying to contribute to a corp. Certainly one could argue in the other direction about the corp helping to achieve my personal goals and you'd be partially correct. However I don't like to burden others with something I could've done on my own. Maybe that'll be my undoing, I don't know. Can I have your vindicator? |
Friffo
Independent Pilots Association
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:03:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Ice mining I do during the day for when I don't want to be glued to the screen non-stop, but I still want to keep an eye on chat channels and handle any corp issues that arise.
Rock mining I usually do as a group effort. It gets a bunch of us together and we have time to chat, goof around, answer questions, teach the newer players the ins and outs of Industry related stuff. It's a lot more social then mission running because there's more time to focus on chatter. Mission fleets tend to be much more goal-oriented.
I do a bit of solo rock mining as well for times when I want to watch TV or a movie, which doesn't mesh well with running L4 missions and having to pay attention to triggers. With a few alts in hulks and an orca, it makes me about 25-30M/hr which is comparable to running L4s.
except that you can do 20 mil per hour by doing L4 semi-afk mode (i know i do them that way....all freaking day long), with one character and not 30 mil per hour divided with "a few alts" |
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer Une Pour Tous
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:42:00 -
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Except you can do 100 millions per hour with 2 hulks and an orca. All you need to find is arkonor.
Some people mine because they like it you know... |
GreasyCarl Semah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:51:00 -
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Esunisen wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I pulled 190K pyrox in one hour tonight without drones and switching belts. lol Well this is 4,2M isk and hour, i think i did better mining with my old Vexor I have maxed Orca and 2 hulks, and my maximum theorical isk/h is 35.7M on viscous pyro. If you get 60M/h on pyro please let use know how You need at least bistot for this income...
Yea, i think I was off by a factor of two in my original math because it is more like $30M an hour. My hulk pilots aren't even maxed out.
I just thought it was funny that someone quoted one of the hallowed internet sites that gets thrown around and the math was completely wrong. |
Malcom Dax
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:19:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote: Why do you mine?
I don't, or at least I don't unless I'm sat in my Orca running a large scale mining op, where I use my alt in a Hulk/Mack too. At that level of operation there is enough to do managing the cargo space, haulers, miners etc etc, that it doesn't become too boring too quickly. Still, 3 hrs is about all I can stand, but that's normally enough time to mine out a few belts. Blacklight Incorporated: Recruiting now for PvP and Industry. |
Phugoid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:19:00 -
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Ahhhhh....
For one, I do have patience, and mining does require patience, as do alot of things in Eve. And yes, mining can be pretty boring, but I have found ways inwhich it keeps my mind active and alert. I set up, typically, 10 GSC's on a belt. By doing this, I have to continually mine AND move up the line of my lined up GSCs as each can fills up, and consequently having to re-target new roids as I move along, and not to mention the mining roids also, they need their new orders too.
So, this keeps me busy, and there really isnt much down time. And of course, once all my GSCs are full, along with my Hulk, I return to base, dump the ore, pick up my Itty V, go back to the belt(s), pick up the ore and then sell/refine at base. I usually can make about 9 to 10 mil for 2 belts worth per run. To me, it's just another way of making Isks. Of course, if all you have is and Ibis, you WILL die of boredom mining a rock. But of course, I also do courier runs, and the occasional missions.....and mining ops when our constantly war dec'd corp isnt at war :)
But thats why I mine, to make Isks so I can have billions of Isks (almost a 2bil now)...and maybe one day I'll eventually move on to pvp....which to me seems to me exciting, but a way to drain your wallet fast. |
amarrhubalt 567
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:38:00 -
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Personally i run 9 accounts, 7 miners + 1 orca + 1 hauler
I LOVE IT!
between focusing my efforts across 3 screens all the while chatting to fellow multiboxers in my corp, sometimes we run upto 30 man fleets between a handful of us. just chatting shilling and making alot of isk's for each of us.
it's just my playstyle of choice and im really enjoying it |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:52:00 -
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I like its low brain bandwidth requirement in a game that requires far too much attention from a ship's captain. There is no reason that as captain I should have to meticulously navigate my ship everywhere when a crew should be doing that for me while I move on to more important concerns. Ironically this is doubly true for mining.
The way it is set up in this game makes it a very simple task, that is the reason that botters are metagaming it by macro mining instead of actually mining. It takes little to no skill. If EvE were more like a real life economy then all mining would be done by automated robots instead of capsuleers, due to its low skill requirements. The macrominers realize this flaw in the game and take advantage of it. To belabor the point, CCP's implementation of mining in this game is comparable to the government in real life outlawing word processing programs to force the return of typing pools, or the use of fully automated manufacturing lines to create jobs that industry no longer requires. I would prefer that CCP make it way more complex, and increase the rewards accordingly.
For now though, it allows me at least some in-game income while I research the finer points of the EvE universe, or study some other aspect of real life. |
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer Une Pour Tous
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:56:00 -
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Low skill
Maybe if you fly a Bantam
[Hulk, Tech II Mining Hulk] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Cap Recharger II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Mining Drone II x5 Acolyte II x5
This fit requires 127 dayswithout implants. It's not even maxed, this is what is required to jump in the ship.
And you can only mine/refine Arkonor efficiently, too bad if you find only Bistot. You can't fly any hauler, can't fly Orca, or anything else. |
whaynethepain
11
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:05:00 -
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Mining.
I like to join the 1000+ people fleet sov warfare battles, shoot WT's at jita, even roam round low-sec shooting newbies.
At the end of the day, a spot of mining can lower the blood pressure and gives a chance to swap KM's, chat about the next fleet op and swap lootz.
I am an elite propulsion jamming operator, and fit Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II's on my Skiff.
Strange combination, but it does work together quite well.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13822561 |
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