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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:59:00 -
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Angeliq wrote:I don't care about those 20% soon to be ex-CCP employees. I pay CCP to play EVE Online, not WoD or Dust514 and I expect CCP to use my money in order to develop and improve EVE Online. It's not my fault those ppl are being fired, CCP went money hungry and got involved in other projects thinking they could use EVE money in order to develop more milking cows. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with those ppl, I don't hate them or anything, I just DON'T CARE about them, I never wanted any of them in the first place, CCP should feel sorry for them, not me. Yes, those 20% might have no fault, but I just (yes, you guessed) don't care :)
It's actually good to see CCP finally coming back to EVE Online tho I don't really believe anything CCP says, cos you know... the truth is out there... behind all this smoke and PR stunts that surrounds the forums.
The point of this thread was to make customers feel bad and responsible for those getting fired. This way, the customers would have to think twice before expressing their disappointments by canceling their Subs. Basically the easiest way: Blame the others for your own faults, have a clean conscience. Keep dreaming of your greatness. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:02:00 -
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I'm not happy with this turn of events, not at all.
I understand the need to refocus.
I understand the need to downsize the staff directly involved in departments directly working on projects that are being scaled back.
I understand the fact that we do not know the particulars of why each individual was on that list.
I have a hard time understanding why 20% of the employees will be let go, many of whom seemingly have little (if anything) to do with the bad decisions that led to this situation... or with WOD specific development that is being curtailed.
We all know there were many bad strategic decisions made concerning the development and PR processes over the last year and 1/2.
Lack of planning the why instead of just the how to for Incarna. Lack of expectation management. Lack of perspective in formulating the pricing structure and destructability of NeX store items. Lack of properly iterating on existing content due to improperly considered development priorities. And many more.
If these people were at least in part responsible for those mistakes, I feel for them but I understand the necessity.
If these people are paying the price for other peoples mistakes, I'm not fine with it... and I would strongly suggest taking your period of reassessment to a whole new level. Otherwise, this situation will inevitably arise again.
And if I ever... ever... find out that some of these people were let go due to internal political reasons or because they stepped on someones toes/embarrased them pointing out things that have proven to be correct, I'm out. Period.
I have never threatened to leave before, but rest assured, that would do it.
I'll bow out of the thread now and let the forum maggots that have suddenly reappeared just in time to infect this wound to revel in CCP's misery.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:08:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Maybe the 20% fired can go work for Perpetuum or Guild Wars 2 or SWTOR :)
Because that is where WE are all going :)
Im not going to SWTOR thats just talking WoW
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:10:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Today it was my solemn duty to post an announcement from CCP. You can read that announcement here. Please keep your discussion of the announcement to this thread if possible, and understand that this and the days in the future are going to be very difficult for those at CCP. We stand behind our decisions and trust that it will ultimately bring you, the EVE community, a better game.
First of all, my condolences to those that lost their jobs. In an uncertain economy, that's a scary and dicey situation to be in, and I hope you can survive what is quite probably going to be a very rough few weeks.
CCP: I I'm glad to see you stick by your guns. You're obviously confident that you're on the right track; I've never been in your shoes, so I can't comment one way or the other. I do, however, couch this praise in a word of caution:
Your players are watching you.
Your players are also very cautious. You've been through some rough patches of late -- the Hilmar debacle, the only semi-successful launch of Incarna, and this unexpected round of layoffs. We've stuck with you, for the most part. We've shared your pain, and cheered at your successes.
The recent shakeups, both in public and those undoubtably going on behind-the-scenes, have us extremely worried. Most of us are crossing our fingers that this isn't a forewarning of something worse coming down the pipe.
We want to see CCP succeed, because that means that EvE itself will succeed. We're scared, though, that EvE and CCP are going in a direction where we can't follow. You've done a lot to restore confidence -- Hilmar's apology, the more open communication that's come out of it, and the new, more tightly-focused game-plan for EvE's future were all good things to happen.
But we are watching you, CCP, and we hope you're watching us in return. These next few months may just tell the tale: EvE will either continue to become the most immersive online experience ever created, or it will stumble into obscurity when one too many mistakes are finally made.
I pray for the former -- and in fear, I prepare for the latter.
Fly safe.
Astrid. |
Elhazzared
Cruor Angelus Divortium
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:10:00 -
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If CCP really wants to focus on EVE and actually do something right to make up for everything they have been doing wrong it's rather simple. Stop making players play the way you want!
First about 0.0, it's time to clean up the mess you've done with the in the matter of havens and sanctums. As CCP clearly saw, it does not promote wars for good places, it only makes space bellow 0.5 worthless which is the great majority of 0.0
Second, don't go ahead with the plans for the new interaction. Handing control of the customs office to the players is only going to ever do one thing, put them in control of large alliances giving more money to those who already have a lot and less to those who don't. it will also make PI in high sec worse.
Third about PI as well. Stop the depletion on planets and effectivily imput a restriction to were players can suck resources from so they don't do on top of eachother. it's about time that PI is actually worth a thing like it was in the beggining.
Fourth, Don't even dream about going foward with the plans for building T2 stuff only in 0.0 and so on. With this you're only getting people to give up, not moving them to 0.0, in fact we pay this game to have fun and if a player doesn't wants to go to 0.0, CCP has no right to tell them to.
That is a good begging for CCP to make amends and start focusing on what's important. CCP should not promote only 0.0 and PVP, CCP should promote a game with various aspects and each and everyone of them should be as profitable and as fun as the rest of them, not make people just do what you want which is lose ships and ISK in hopes people will be buying more plexs to make you more money. It's only CCPs delusion that makes them think like that, it never happened and it never will. So stop this trend or you'll just keep losing players like you have. |
RIP Wash
FISKL GUARDS The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:10:00 -
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My sympathies to all the White Wolf alumni who are now looking for work. I have been a fan for a long time.
That said It looks like all the complains for "vampires sucking the life from eve" were on to something. WoD MMO seems to be in more of a back of the napkin design /tech demo/skunkworx project stage from what I have seen. To force EVE players to beta test the tech was a terrible decision, and I am glad CCP reversed it. |
Michael Turate
The Bembridge Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:15:00 -
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My profound sympathies go out to those who will lose their jobs and my thoughts are with the families of those who will be made redundant. I lost my job as a result of the UK recession and unemployment at this time will be a hard road to tread for all concerned.
The company should be applauded for coming back from the brink, everything could have been lost but now there is genuine hope for the future. Eve can be great again, CCP can be a strong company again, the partnerships between the players and the business can be rebuilt. Future sucess for the company and the playerbase will be doubly sweet in view of how close things came to disaster.
BUT, all we (the players) would have lost is a computer game. The facts are now apparent that real people will lose their jobs and their livelihoods. I sincerly hope the lessons have been learnt because they have come at some considerable cost.
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Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:18:00 -
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Well I wonder how CCP wants to regain contact with the community after pretty much nuking the comunity-team ... |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:18:00 -
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you don't get replaced by a very small shell script anymore
You get replaced by a very small chinaman... cheaper than a script. (Since behind that small shell script is an overweight underskilled psuedo-engineer developer that eats too many bananas). |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:20:00 -
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Michael Turate wrote: BUT, all we (the players) would have lost is a computer game. The facts are now apparent that real people will lose their jobs and their livelihoods. I sincerly hope the lessons have been learnt because they have come at some considerable cost.
Yes, let us all hope their ex-CEO has learned the lesson. |
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:20:00 -
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Personally I think it very odd for a company that previoulsy have shown that their management suck balls in communicating with their players, to fire off virtually their entire community team.....The same departement i might add, that also includes CSM.
Zymurgist and Fallout have allready posted their farewells. In the current climate, I certainly dont think this is the brightest move in the world. |
Angeliq
Soimii Patriei Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:20:00 -
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Maybe Hilmar wants to get rid of all those ppl that disagreed with him in the past so he can stay the course. I keep getting the feeling I'm being buIIsh!ted... I still find a lot of PR work and public speech schemes and patterns in those threads and I can't help thinking that I'm being manipulated. I would appreciate the naked truth, but meh, I know you (as a company) can't do that so if EVE turns into the game experience I want, I'll just go with it, but if some day I'll wake up and realize that EVE is no longer EVE, I'll just say Fawk You CCP for the last time and be done with it. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:22:00 -
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We were ganked
Ironic really that that web page came up :) |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:22:00 -
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Is the CSM fired yet? :)
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:24:00 -
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So, can we buy their EX CCP characters on the character bazzaar?
Then again who would trust that employment history :) |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:25:00 -
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Several months ago, even before the Incarna debacle, I trotted out one of the oldest known precepts of successful software project management.
"Do not encourage failure."
If a programmer is assigned a particular black box to program, and fails, you have two options.
Option 1, Assign something simpler and give him/her another chance, but only one.
Option 2, if you are on a budget, get rid of that programmer.
Same goes for project managers. If they can't do the job, you can't afford them.
Based on recent issues, I see Eve as a very large bucket of spaghetti code, loosely held together by emergency repairs.
Competent management would never have let it happen in the first place.
Sure, I'm sorry that some people have lost their jobs, but it appears to me that there are probably quite a few who should have lost their jobs a long time ago.
For the programmers, and project managers, if there were any, if you can't even meet CCP's low standards, you should really consider another line of work.
I like this game. It's the only one I play, and I will continue to play it as long as I can stand to. But the parts of it that I play haven't improved a bit in two years. During that time I've paid enough in monthly fees to buy a car.
What I really wish? No changes at all, except fixes, for at least a year. A year isn't long enough to fix all the things that are screwed up already, but it might get CCP back to a good starting point for other necessary fixes. |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:26:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Raid'En wrote:if the staff going out is the one linked to WoD, why do we see names we know since a long time being part of it ? >_< Thats the fallacy of it. The cancers aren't being removed, just the people who gave a damn.
yes, hilmar being that cancer What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:28:00 -
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"Our metrics do not show that cancellations are significant"
Ring a bell?
It should... CSM Emergency Meeting...
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:29:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Maybe the 20% fired can go work for Perpetuum or Guild Wars 2 or SWTOR :)
Because that is where WE are all going :)
Don't forget: World of Warcraft: Mists of Panderia is coming out soon! C'mon guys! Pandas!
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:31:00 -
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Stunned they fired Noah Ward, he was a pretty cool guy imho.
CCP you're such a bunch of cash grabbing wankers.
C.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:32:00 -
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So are we still getting bloodline changes?
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:34:00 -
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DJ Xaphod wrote:Angeliq wrote:I don't care about those 20% soon to be ex-CCP employees. I pay CCP to play EVE Online, not WoD or Dust514 and I expect CCP to use my money in order to develop and improve EVE Online. It's not my fault those ppl are being fired, CCP went money hungry and got involved in other projects thinking they could use EVE money in order to develop more milking cows. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with those ppl, I don't hate them or anything, I just DON'T CARE about them, I never wanted any of them in the first place, CCP should feel sorry for them, not me. Yes, those 20% might have no fault, but I just (yes, you guessed) don't care :)
It's actually good to see CCP finally coming back to EVE Online tho I don't really believe anything CCP says, cos you know... the truth is out there... behind all this smoke and PR stunts that surrounds the forums. I'd agree, however at least a fair few of the people being layed off are EVE Online staff, so I don't believe CCP are coming back to EVE Online. I'll believe what they do, not what they say, after all.
not just staff, content designers
Grog Barrel wrote:Angeliq wrote:I don't care about those 20% soon to be ex-CCP employees. I pay CCP to play EVE Online, not WoD or Dust514 and I expect CCP to use my money in order to develop and improve EVE Online. It's not my fault those ppl are being fired, CCP went money hungry and got involved in other projects thinking they could use EVE money in order to develop more milking cows. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with those ppl, I don't hate them or anything, I just DON'T CARE about them, I never wanted any of them in the first place, CCP should feel sorry for them, not me. Yes, those 20% might have no fault, but I just (yes, you guessed) don't care :)
It's actually good to see CCP finally coming back to EVE Online tho I don't really believe anything CCP says, cos you know... the truth is out there... behind all this smoke and PR stunts that surrounds the forums. The point of this thread was to make customers feel bad and responsible for those getting fired. This way, the customers would have to think twice before expressing their disappointments by canceling their Subs. Basically the easiest way: Blame the others for your own faults, have a clean conscience. Keep dreaming of your greatness.
reads that way to me and quite a few others as well What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:35:00 -
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So are we still getting bloodline changes?
Is now a bad time to ask when we get REMAPS in the NEX store? |
Jolteon Taylor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:35:00 -
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Klingon Admiral wrote:Well I wonder how CCP wants to regain contact with the community after pretty much nuking the comunity-team ... Especially the well liked and actually trusted members of the community team. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:39:00 -
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I WANT MY YELLOW FONT BACK
Or I cancel all 10 accounts. |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:42:00 -
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kinda curious to why our lauded CSM that talk to these guys daily arent jumping all over this saying it was their idea like the dev blog about the winter expansion.
but seriously, youd think theyd have given the rest of us a clue (unless this was one of those last second decisions) What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:43:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I WANT MY YELLOW FONT BACK
Or I cancel all 10 accounts.
Didnt you get the memo? You're our new community rep. You can post in whatever colour you like :D
C.
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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:44:00 -
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"We made some missteps on that journey," this would be CCP current management.
Layoff. Only the investors would see this as good news. Company spins it as good news. Some customers buy into it. Not me.
"Our mission is to enrich the vast EVE Universe by...., bring DUST 514 to market on the PS3. "
DUST 514 is an important part of the EVE Universe. Same message. Same plan. CCP continues on its path to become a PS3 FPS gaming company. Seems to be a model they are locked into. Maybe it well work for CCP.
"Realignment will be seen as early as this winter with the upcoming EVE Online expansions and the launch of DUST 514 private trials."
A winter expansion, and DUST 514 private trials. Hopefully the expansion will be a good one. Have faith.
"Wow... subscription based + micro transactions.. talk about greed."-á LOL!
Best Regards, Nak hak |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:46:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I WANT MY YELLOW FONT BACK
Or I cancel all 10 accounts.
I still like you :D, but damn you are correct, I guess we can't ask a big yellow question again if there are no colors... |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:49:00 -
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I can't say I see the logic in firing some of the core back-bone of the community development team, especially in a time when the community has reacted in a way where we've lost significant faith in CCP as a company.
In the long-run, this will probably be a good move for CCP financially. However, that's only if the community doesn't collapse at this point since too few people are talking directly with us.
The community development team does a lot more than just forum moderation and shiny posts and duly deserves the credit for their hard work promoting our overall EVE community to the outside world. Guard, Phantom, Navigator, Manifest, and Spitfire are going to have a lot of work on their hands now.
At this point, all I can do is wish the best to those that, unfortunately, will be leaving CCP and hope that they stay active in our community (if not the direct one, at least the extended one). Sympathies to the guys and gals at CCP who had to see their friends and co-workers receive this bad news.
Lets just hope this horrid turn of events wasn't a waste and something "passably" decent will come from it. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
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