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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:53:00 -
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CCP has a lot of good people, and they need to sit up and say, these lay offs are temporary. We are going to rebuild eve, get it back to 50k online all the time and hire back everyone we had to let go!
Like many of the staff in my corp / alliance we are family, we hate to see each other leave and we work hard to get them back. |
McSnarf
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:56:00 -
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First of all, sympathies for those who lost their jobs. You KNOW it wasn't your fault.
Shame on CCP management. Laying off 20% is something you do when you seriously, seriously ****** up. I would not go on the street without a paper bag over my head for a year if I had to take this decision. A saying here goes: "The fish starts stinking from the head."
Will one of the top five people in CCP go as well? Or are you just cutting costs quick and dirty, while still working on projects of dubious value?
Tell you what. You cut costs, I cut costs. Time to consolidate alts!
Disclaimer: I in no way represent or speak for EVE University or Ivy League. I use this character as a way to post on this forum. |
Pj Harvey
Ship spinners inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 06:05:00 -
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I've browsed the forums for years and never seen much from any of these 'community representatives' except for dumb smiley face spam from CCP fallout and the bungled handling of most crisis that CCP has had in the last few years from the rest of them so it seems like a good business to me, as heartless as that might sound. |
Mahadiva
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 06:06:00 -
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Not a surprising move really. Even before the recent monoclegate disaster and the resulting consequences it was highly suspect that CCP could continue to expand and work on three projects simultaneously while garnering revenue from only one. Was EVE really that profitable to justify the delusions of grandeur?
In that light, it would be more interesting to know how what constitutes a subscription in EVE anymore, seeing as these days you can play without spending any RL money. Do you just count any active account? Is a trial account that bought a PLEX with ISK already a subscription? Saying that "subs are up" is quite useless and potentially misleading imo. |
John Frohike
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 06:06:00 -
[515] - Quote
Sorry to hear that some people are getting the boot. Here's to hoping they land on their feet. |
knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 06:10:00 -
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Not sure how letting go community team members helps. If there ever was a problem with ccp communication it was with the official messages the community team got to pass from higher management. It's almost like you're looking for a fall guy.
It's the senior producers, CTO and business strategists that need to be got rid off. They're the ones who hindered community management. All you've done ccp is get rid of the fire fighters, the people the players respect. Poor move but then we've come to expect that from you. |
Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United F0RCEFUL ENTRY
410
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Posted - 2011.10.20 06:19:00 -
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Look, I know a lot of hard decisions have to be made for the betterment of the company.
But I really must protest to laying off Fallout. She has done more for the community than any software patch from the coding teams could hope to accomplish. This fine lady has been both friend and colleague to many. She has bridged the gap between player and dev on many levels.
She has been on the front lines calming players, and distilling our message into a comprehensible format for CCP since I started playing this game and before.
For me, Fallout has been an integral part of the EVE experience, she has represented the community of players and devs, she has been the face and voice of a company in many ways. I strongly urge you to reconsider your decision about her employment.
It would seem she has done far more for EVE online, CCP, and players than you give her credit for and I believe it would hurt your efforts in focusing on EVE to fire her than the meager gain you would make by removing her salary from the payroll. So again, I urge you to keep this amazing dev on staff to continue the vital job she has held for years that will aid you in your quest to focus on EVE.
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bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
3
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Posted - 2011.10.20 06:23:00 -
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Fallout was also a pain in the ...... I remeber the statement everyone in NPC corps is an RMTer ... then tried damage conrol for 4 days before hiding it all as much as possiable. |
Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
24
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:01:00 -
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Regardless of whether people liked them or not the comunity teams are some of the most important teams in any MMO, "we'll communicate more blah blah blah" says the Hil, yet here he goes and decimates the comunity relations team, well i say Hil is fiull of bullshit and has no intention of comunicating, he's shown this by reducing the comunity team, you know.. the GUYS WHO TALK TO US.
I say we start another Jita protest until they reverse the decision and sack that stupid janitor who that keeps tripping over the network cables instead! |
Pyrasol
Universal Explorations
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:03:00 -
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First of all my sincere regret to thoughts who have received the brunt of this so called GÇ£Re focusingGÇ¥ I wish you all the best of luck in the coming months and hope you will find success in your endeavours. But its times like these when you are forced to adapt and through that process you find potentials in yourself you would never have uncovered.
To CCP After seeing the financials and following the comments a few months ago I knew this would happen if CCP became cash strapped due to the cash burden they face this month. I would assume they reduced salaries and froze increases this year as well.
I do believe CCP had hoped to BS their way through everything to retain subscriptions but GÇ£Pride comes before a fallGÇ¥. The letter which HELMAR addressed raving about the success of the NEX expansion is a harsh contrast to what we see in this thread. It really showed how out of touch his management was with EVE. In corporate environments the people who make these mistakes get the boot. But CCP is still to a fair degree owner driven.
I feel that allot of what has been said in this blog has its roots in the financial mismanagement that ccp has been subject to in this past two years.
And that it has nothing to do with refocusing on EVE, that is just the GÇ£PR SPINGÇ¥ put on all this to in some way draw additional compassion from the community and repair there public image. However the result is this exercise has lead to more attention being placed on their primary source of income which is EVE-Online and this is a good thing for us as players GÇ£FOR NOWGÇ¥.
But itGÇÖs very hard for a Leopard to change its stripes!
So to all thoughs who support Hilmar in Upper management, have a backbone because as we can see here. Swimming against the current is not a bad thing because inevitably there is a rapid or waterfall further down stream that will hurt you. You may not always win against the current but it will buy you some time to come up with a solution... or die trying! |
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Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
3
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:08:00 -
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Ah cool so this is the appropriate place to post this
Himlar quit you deuche. You screwed some of your best people out of a job.
Nice work *******
I'd use better arguments but others already have, and to be honest you dont deserve them. |
Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
24
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:11:00 -
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Celery Man wrote:Ah cool so this is the appropriate place to post this
Himlar quit you deuche. You screwed some of your best people out of a job.
Nice work *******
I'd use better arguments but others already have, and to be honest you dont deserve them.
THIS ^ |
Ralinastrife
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:14:00 -
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really i think developers are bored with eve and wanna do something more exciting...thats why they have other projects....but then the angry trolls of eve outraged and threaten to quit...ccp laughed and said yeah right what game u gonna play?? people quit...they like ohh no we dont have enough money to pay people and fund our new game...we were depending on people to play for a little while longer to cover all the other cost of development and to pay for our drugs and whores...what can we do???? then they say ohh i got it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4
so after that they say...we have a winter expansion...its gonna be so cool...stick around and see...and now we wait.. |
The Illuminist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:16:00 -
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CCP:
This is a huge decision to make. While I've not always been a supporter of your recent decisions, I think that you've made the correct choice in how to proceed. This community is fractured, and I think you're finally willing to acknowledge that and work toward a common goal. My heart goes out to those who will suffer in the layoffs. However, from the tone of this blog post, it's clear you as a company are now clear headed in your objectives. I look forward to a bright future for Eve! |
Sorran Tor
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:23:00 -
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So wait...
CCP, you announce that you're changing direction and starting to actually listen to what the community is saying to you.
Then within a week you fire your team of Community Managers.
The ****.
Hilmar, did you forget that we're watching what you do, not what you say? |
Constantinee
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:26:00 -
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CCp has failed on so many levels this year, and they continue.
Some good people are no longer there due to several issues with the company and its notorious CEO, Hilmar should not be in control of such a company tbqh. There were better devs (now elsewhere) who could have done a better job instead of him.
Bring back Kieron,Abathur, id say tomb and oveur (even though they never read the forums anymore and hit us with smart ass comments) Fire hilmar Abandon dust 514 focus on eve. dust will fail, im sorry but it will, you struggle with keeping a spaceship MMO game alive because the horrid content that was last introduced and the greed of a lackluster ceo and lack of care for the player base, what in your right minds makes you believe you can do a better job with a FPS and compete with games like CoD, Battlefield, and the new Halos planning to come out, let alone making it a PS3 only console shooter ( no ones going to buy a ps3 just for dust). You need to focus on your primary money maker and its community before branching the hell off.
TLDR
Bring back old devs who made game fun Fire Hilmar Abandon Dust
Thats all for me.
I wish those no longer with CCP the best and beg you not to go to wow! Constantinee video archive. http://www.youtube.com/user/Constvids?feature=mhee
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
592
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:28:00 -
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John'eh wrote:I'm reading this and laughing so hard my gf rushed into the room asking whats going on, because I said the exact same thing to CCP Sr leadership and warned them this would happen, to the peoples faces at the Atlanta office, about a year or so ago when I was brought in by very sr. people at CCP.
Why I was there is not important.... but now they are admitting publicly that I was right, that they were wrong, that they should have listened to me. Imagine what CCP would be like today if they had?
Maybe with this wake-up call, CCP leadership can be a little less out of touch.
Just think of this Helmar, your people knew this would happen, because I told them it would happen about a year ago, and I was ignored. All this pain, all that soul searching, and the fact that you just had to look bad in public, was because of these people and you who didn't listen. You could have saved yourself some trouble if you had listened to the people who had cared about eve enough to be honest with you in the first place, but you didn't. Now you lost a lot of subscribers, you have massive debts and the balance sheet looks terrible.
I was right. You were wrong.. and at least your admitting it now. So what else are you going to do? Could only think on this line dude sorry.....
"when I was brought in by very sr. people at CCP.... Why I was there is not important...."
Plumber? Electrician?
Said it before and I'll say it again. Why are all those with the best business acumen working for an employer? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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SirWOLFE
Versatech Co. Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:31:00 -
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It is a great shame to see people lose there jobs in any climite let alone this one.
But CCP has made some bad decisions this year that has effected greatly the player base and now the company itself. I for one earlier this year had 5 accounts. Now i am on 4 and planning to sell another toon on the forums soon to cut down to 3 accounts.
I used to be on all the time people used to text if i was not online (sad really) but that was till the middle of this year when i have seen friends cancel there subscriptions and not play anymore i will always play eve where there is an EVE i enjoy the game the community but CCP forgot that it is us that make them. Yes it nice to have projects but never forget your core.
The release of the winter expansion has got me excited some of the changes are good some not so good.
Im even looking forward to the super changes if it actuallys stops people of crying about them and actually comming to a fight. This could be ccp's last change to really save the game that has slowly deteriated since the launch of dominion with the final deteration with the walking in a room and aur thingy.
But good luck and please save this game... |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
117
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:33:00 -
[529] - Quote
Anyone who thinks the main function of a community team is to communicate with the players is an idiot.
The main function of a community team is to provide management with actionable information on the state of the community, forecasts about the development of trends within the community, ...
They are the only ones that can provide an educated answer to questions such as "Will these protests go away or will people really leave the game?" or "Will a statement of Zulu or Hilmar help to calm people down or will it just make the protests look like a bigger thing than they really are?"
By the time the accounting department reports a loss of subs the damage is already done. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
592
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:35:00 -
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A long time ago, I worked on a cattle station as a 17 year old jackeroo. My overseer didn't know his job, my manager didn't know his job and the owner was bloody hopeless.
At 20 I became the overseer. My jackeroos thought they could do my job better than me and I still believed I could do the job better than my manager and my owner.
At 24 I became the manager. My jackeroos and overseer still thought they could do my job. My boss was still an idiot.
I saved and saved and by the time I was 46 I owned the whole damned cattle station. Times were good. We employed men, their families and prospered.
Then we had a big drought, times got hard and I knew I had to let go some staff but couldn't. Well, you know, they had kids and you know, a mortgage down in the city.
The drought continued. I perservered. I used all my savings. I sold my cattle. I sold my house. I did everything I could.
One day the bank called and took it all away. My place got sold at 1/10 the value to some conservation group and they turned the whole bloody joint into a National Park.
Only thing left there now are emus and bloody kangaroos!
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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dreamsequencer
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
3
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:02:00 -
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Part of being a leader is making the tough decisions. All the best to the future of CCP and it's staff, present and past. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:13:00 -
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Ok so directing more resources to EVE development = good thing.
Firing your community team (e.g. CCP Fallout) = bad thing
Thought the entire point of the winter expansion was the fix many of the recent mistakes, firing the very people who did your damage control during the Incarna/Monaclegate debacle is a pretty ****** move. |
DragonHelm III
Order of Lost Malice
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:31:00 -
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My deepest sympaties to those losing their jobs.
CCP in financial difficulties or just needing to cut back. God it's not like there the only ones, isn't everyone at the moment.
If you need a real cash injection into the company, short of a stock market floatation, a simple small but regular flow could be achieved by this
Once a character is transferred to a new account allow a one-off name change for say 20(Euros) NOT ISK Euros
A simple and asked for feature that will provide you with some much needed REAL income.
And has the added benefit of not affecting the ingame economy at all. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
26
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:54:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Confirmed list of 20%ers:
Community: Wrangler/ Christian Danhill Pann/ Valerie Massey Fallout/ Misty Matonis Zymurgist/ Kevin Dudenbostel Mike Read
Content: Pall Ivarsson Hilmir +P+¦r Einarsson CCP Maiden Steel Gnauton/ Gauti Fridriksson
Other: Valar/ Emil Fridrikson Finnz/ Finnur K+íri Gu+¦nason Hammerhead/ Noah Ward Kristleifur +Porsteinsson
Unconfirmed: Dropbear
Edit: WTF CCP!!!!!
Good god. And all this could have so easily been avoided.
So why is the guy responsible for this not axed too?
My condolences too all involved. Sad to see that you have to pay with your job for the bad management decisions higher up the chain. You didn't deserve this. Hate to see you go. :3
All the best luck to you and your loved ones.
-- Pak
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Galies
JJ Express
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:56:00 -
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Great job CCP... no, really... I've been playing since early '08, and Eve has been the most fascinating and frustrating game i have ever played. It is the most immersive, wonderful place to spend my time. I've also kept my mouth shut through exttremely long (i.e. 2day) downtimes (fortunatley a thing of the past) massively buggy updates, and installs, and largely worthless content. My first issue is with the QA, the most recent patch introduced a major, some say game breaking, bug where certain windows resized and moved every time a pilot undocked. The QA team responded on the forums that they had seen this problem, but they couldnt get it to reproduce so they didnt do anything about it. Well over 100 pilots reported this bug within the first few hours after the patch was released... This isnt even the worst bug that has managed to work it's way onto Tranquility, only one of the most recent. My second issue is content, first faction warfare, which seems to be defunct. As i understand it FW was released against the wishes of CCP Lead Game Designer Noah Ward. Then you introduced PI and Incursions, both of which fell like "things to do". Since early '08 the only "real" new ships you have introduced are the orca and the strategic cruisers, which seems odd considering Eve was always supposed to be about FLYING SHIPS. CQ... I dont even want to beat the dead horse on that debacle. I will say good job on all the hard work on the turrets and turret effects, though i wish you could have given missile launchers the same kind of love. My final issue is CCP's continuing stance concerning certain "events" being organized by corps/alliances that target one playstyle group for systematic destruction. Please CCP, either violate the sanbox, and step in to stop these so called "events", or retain the sandbox, and give us a better ship to handle these "events". If any CSM, GM, DEV, would like clarification as to what im talking about, feel freel to convo me or send me an eve mail. My final 2 cents and i'll shut up, I empathize for the hardworking good people that have recently lost their jobs, but i refuse to feel guilty. I was not a part of the Jita protest, nor was I attepting to roast people in the forums for mistakes that were made, I have quietly waited/prayed for the best. Hilmar, i know this will probably never reach your ears, but i have to say it anyway, I understand the neep to downsize a company occasionally, to make it grow in the future, but please also realize that some of the people that were recently terminated were respected and even loved by many many people. You have apologized for the recent lack of focus and communication,and i know that ours, the customers, and yours, the CEO's, visions of what Eve should be will always have differences. Its time to show us you meant it, please, Hilmar, restore our faith in Eve, assure us that the dark skies will be ours to fly for years to come.
In best hopes
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Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:58:00 -
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My deepest sympathies for all those who lost their job.
Good luck to all CCP employees, both present and past. I keep my fingers crossed for all of you.
Dear Mr Hilmar, I'm sorry that you had to make such a decision. Running a corporation the size of CCP is a very big responsibility and might be a huge burden sometimes. Unfortunately this is how corporations work: companies HAVE TO react quickly or they end up bankrupt. |
MissingNo1
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 09:02:00 -
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It has been said many times before, DUST 514 and Twilight Online will flop shortly after launch.
Look at the current games market for:
- MMOs - FPS console games
MMOs
They require light, easy and fluent engines to run on as engaging in combat or an action using Carbon, or what ever CQ is currently, will be the worst playing experience of any game anyone has ever played. The engine will not support any being able to engage in a fast paced, or even a 'medium' paced combat or action 'move' as they will just end up frying components of their computer. Besides the coding/software behind the game, the content will suck. YES, everyone loves vampires, YES Underworld had huge success with their releases but that's because THERE WAS A FILM IT FOLLOWED which was a huge success, solely because Kate Beckinsale was a star actor. Linky [url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0320691/[/url]
FPS Console Market
3 words ...................... Call Of Duty, another word ................. Battlefield.
These Games are so fast to be designed, coded, published, brought, played, completed that people just couldn't CARE about if the game has been in production for years, if the game is involved in an MMO that has space with l4z0rz. The CONSOLE market is far too fast paced to release a game that requires alot attention from someone who has just brought Battlefield 4 or 5 lol.
Call Of Duty has a release EVERY YEAR, this means, the involvement that CCP desires out of players will not be obtained because, the DUST player will; buy the game, play it, get bored, Activision will release Call Of Duty 40392 and they will be sidetracked and leave the world of DUST.
TL:DR
Both developments WILL FAIL, no 2 ways about it. Putting them off and eventually deleting them will be the best move an MMO company could possibly do. |
Attila Hellsfury
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 09:15:00 -
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"This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end "
So , CCP management made again a planning mistake and so the employ's must pay for it.
"Can you picture what will be So limitless and free Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand In a...desperate land "
Maybe some Asian investor will buy CCP ( and will make all CCP games in present or in futer to pay to win game) I HOPE THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.
(song text from Doors) |
Shamefuldirty
MaxxxCorp
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 09:24:00 -
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I'm sorry but the idea that a CCP will concentrate on dust 514 and exclude WoD MMO sounds so strange. CCP have experience with MMO's and a lot of people have played WoD. As many people have said before, Dust is a PS3 only game! It's going to go down the pan within months! Console gamers don't do the long term thing. They simply don't. You should of made it pc only if anything. YOUR GOING TO BANKRUPT YOURSELVES CCP! DO YOU HEAR ME? Seriously, it's the worst business decision on the face of the planet. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
118
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Posted - 2011.10.20 09:30:00 -
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Shamefuldirty wrote:I'm sorry but the idea that a CCP will concentrate on dust 514 and exclude WoD MMO sounds so strange. CCP have experience with MMO's and a lot of people have played WoD. As many people have said before, Dust is a PS3 only game! It's going to go down the pan within months! Console gamers don't do the long term thing. They simply don't. You should of made it pc only if anything. YOUR GOING TO BANKRUPT YOURSELVES CCP! DO YOU HEAR ME? Seriously, it's the worst business decision on the face of the planet. DUST is probably way past the point of no return. WoD is still in preproduction.
Why would you scrap a game that is almost ready to go into beta-testing in favor of a game that only exists on whiteboards?
DUST would have to fail spectacularly to bring in less than the remaining 6-8 months of development are going to cost.
If you want to kill off DUST you probably have to set your time machine to 2008/2009. |
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