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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:57:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:My sympathies go out to those affected by the job losses - I hope that you all get things sorted out quickly.
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Kengutsi Akira
69
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:57:00 -
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Slippery Duke wrote:What we need is a honest and open thread from Hilmar, basically for people to ask him questions regarding the changes and whats went wrong. Him and the various other senior management can answer these questions in a honest open fashion. I know its asking a lot but at this point he community need to see that the guy(s) in charge know there arse from his elbow so to speak. We as a community at this point are beyond disgruntled in fact i dont think even gruntled covers it
I dont think at this point we need more words. They just need to stop with the sunshine blowing up our collective asses and start putting that time into rolling things out.
Actions. Not words. Ive seen enough words from these guys to last me a lifetime
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
67
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:58:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:lol I cant link to the forums here cause "posts cannot contain html" even though its a copy/pasted link to another thread in General.... good job web team. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=220213#post220213this thread annoys me because its more of those people that swallow what CCP is saying to us when its their actions we should be watching not our words. One thing I damn sure learned from Hilmar. Holy ****, it only took me 4 tries to get that link to post
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of forum issues today.
We don't always see eye to eye, but I generally agree with your point in that thread.
However, I also understand that there isn't a whole lot they can actually "do" (as in give to us) until the next expansion... other than the silly ship spinning thing so many people got worked up about.
As to the rest, you know where I stand.
I think CCP did a horrible job with this whole situatiion... including their selections for termination.
On the other hand, I think the EVE community handled their reaction to things pretty poorly as well. The phrases "over reaction", "immaturity", and "easily manipulated" come to mind.
Still, it is what it is. We'll see what gets followed through on in this next release, if I can stomach the "back patting" from the community... the chopping of heads at CCP to keep their heads above water... and the victory rolls from the forum trolls long enough to get there. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Slippery Duke
F.A.R.T
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:00:00 -
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I dont think at this point we need more words. They just need to stop with the sunshine blowing up our collective asses and start putting that time into rolling things out.
Actions. Not words. Ive seen enough words from these guys to last me a lifetime [/quote]
I agree with you 100% on this time for to ccp to put up or nut up. |
Vipieris
Blackwater Syndicate Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:06:00 -
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I only have one question, and maybe someone else asked it already (but 30 pages - come on... I have a job after all!)
If your resources are stretched too thin, then why did you just let 20% of them go while not reducing the number of active projects?
As a Project Controls Analyst for an EPC firm, this not only doesn't make any sense, but doesn't bode well for ANY of those ongoing projects.
When project demand has exceeded the maximum available output from your productive resources, you either reduce demand, or increase resources. You've decreased resources, while basically saying, "We're still going to keep working on everything" and "we'll be able to do things quicker."
How do ya figure?? I'd tend to suggest at this point that you, as well as your customers, are screwed. And I get big bucks to reach those kinds of conclusions...
If you need some professional project management assistance, let me know - though I'm not exactly sure you're a viable company to work for at this point...
Don't worry - I'll keep paying my memberships as long as there's still a game to play. :)
Vipieris |
Kengutsi Akira
70
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:09:00 -
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they effectively killed not only White Wolf but the WoD project. What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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zcar300
SERCO Group
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:09:00 -
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So your cutting people and continuing all development because you"re stretched too thin? I realize you're slowing development on one front but how does that even make sense? Is this a Jita scam?
What you need to do is reduce your expansion schedule to one a year. Instead of releasing content that isn't finished and that breaks the continuity of the game. Like having Minmatar CQs in Amarr, caldari, and Gallente stations. |
Slippery Duke
F.A.R.T
2
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:19:00 -
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zcar300 wrote:So your cutting people and continuing all development because you"re stretched too thin? I realize you're slowing development on one front but how does that even make sense? Is this a Jita scam? What you need to do is reduce your expansion schedule to one a year. Instead of releasing content that isn't finished and that breaks the continuity of the game. Like having Minmatar CQs in Amarr, caldari, and Gallente stations.
To me feels liek ultimate damage control or oh frak we screwed up, the thing is they need to focus on one project get it sorted and then take it from there bad case of over extending yourself by a wide margin.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
93
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:26:00 -
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Do the devs even remember how to code for EvE FiS anymore after 4 years of.....making one room? |
Vai Tanis
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:54:00 -
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Vipieris wrote:I only have one question, and maybe someone else asked it already (but 30 pages - come on... I have a job after all!)
If your resources are stretched too thin, then why did you just let 20% of them go while not reducing the number of active projects?
As a Project Controls Analyst for an EPC firm, this not only doesn't make any sense, but doesn't bode well for ANY of those ongoing projects.
I got the impression that instead of actively developing WoD, Dust and supporting Eve they've effectively mothballed WoD.
WoD is still an active project only in the sense that it's not been completely cancelled. The money that went towards it's active development and the salaries of most of the 20% is now being put into supporting Eve while a skeleton crew continues to work on it's core concepts.
Then when Dust is released and hopefully Eve is back in shape and growing nicely, they'll direct money back towards WoD and restart active development.
That's what I get from this anyway, that they've finally realised they were hugely overextended and relying on extremely over-optimistic growth projections for Eve to fund it all. Mothballing WoD, finishing Dust and concentrating on Eve seems like an attempt to stabilise their finances and then work on WoD later, rather than carry on and lose all three as they go bankrupt. |
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Steve Crusher
Jackalopes
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:36:00 -
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I understand the concerns that other players may have with the recent changes and trends in CCP's focus, but I wanted to throw it out there that I am as excited about the direction of the game as ever. I hope this opinion is shared out there, because lets face it, this universe is an incredible feat. While I am a little bummed to have to wait longer for WODs release, and certainly feel for the Atlanta team's, for lack of a better word, downsizing, I'm not stressed about the long term success of EVE.
Hopefully this refocusing brings us some new content . . . maybe some more T3? |
Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:39:00 -
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I really hate to hear that people are getting laid off. I know that song by heart. My EVE time is non existent due to underemployment right now.
I always did wonder just what they were doing down in ATL. Now I know. OTOH, the White Wolf IP is not going anywhere. If the success of Ann Rice, Twilight, Sookie Stackhouse et al is any indication of the market, it'll do just fine in a few years if and when they get it out.
All the nay-saying-bittervet forum warriors better hope DUST hits and hits big. If I were you, I'd do what I've been doing and sell all my little thumber buddies on it and say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Hopefully CCP will deliver on DUST and it will make money. More money means increased resources for internet spaceships. Hopefully Hilmar & pals have gotten the message and realized that EVE still needs more work on the spaceship flying parts and the flying spaceships is why we play.
It was a bit over optimistic, to say the least, on CCP's part to try and float two games in development off the back of one moderately successful one. Diverting resources from EVE to fund two simultaneous dev projects was like eating your seed corn. Ain't gonna have much of a crop next year if you keep that up. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:43:00 -
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Even though I welcome and rejoice at the news that CCP are going to re-focus efforts towards EVE Online, my sympathies go to those that will lose their employment.
I have doubts that DUST will be a long term success (being a PS3 exclusive), and if the Captains Closet is anything to go by, WOD had a good chance of being vaporware, while trying to overcome the technical difficulties.
One of the "rabble brigade".
Rabble of the World UNITE! |
The Marketer
Secure IT
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 02:45:00 -
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Sorry to hear about the job cuts. After reading this, I now want to resub one of my account but I receives this message:
We were unable to authorize your payment at this time. Please ensure you have sufficient funds and/or contact your bank/card issuer for further information.
I called my credit card bank and they say there was no transaction attempt and I have enough funds. Looks like a problem on CCP side.
CCP fix this if the problem is on your side so we can resub and help.
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Reverand Pastor
Dynasty Ink.
16
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Posted - 2011.10.21 05:30:00 -
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Vipieris wrote:I only have one question, and maybe someone else asked it already (but 30 pages - come on... I have a job after all!)
If your resources are stretched too thin, then why did you just let 20% of them go while not reducing the number of active projects?
As a Project Controls Analyst for an EPC firm, this not only doesn't make any sense, but doesn't bode well for ANY of those ongoing projects.
When project demand has exceeded the maximum available output from your productive resources, you either reduce demand, or increase resources. You've decreased resources, while basically saying, "We're still going to keep working on everything" and "we'll be able to do things quicker."
How do ya figure?? I'd tend to suggest at this point that you, as well as your customers, are screwed. And I get big bucks to reach those kinds of conclusions...
If you need some professional project management assistance, let me know - though I'm not exactly sure you're a viable company to work for at this point...
Don't worry - I'll keep paying my memberships as long as there's still a game to play. :)
Vipieris
To save you some time there have been tons of people whit knighting for ccp that it boggles the mind. The concept of being "stretched to thin" with layoffs is completely loss on some people. The people with level heads know that the whole ting smells fo trouble from corpprate all the way down to consumer. |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 07:26:00 -
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SHAMESHAME wrote:To each and every person who whined their way through the last few months, congratulations. You got your pixels, database entries and pretend warfare. Real people lost jobs. There was nothing so wrong with the game that it should have meant taking real food off the real tables of real people. It is my sincere hope that you too find yourself in the unemployment line.
I refuse to believe anyone is this backward, seriously you have to be trolling, that or you have a glass stomach, because with your head that far up your own arse it's the only way you can see where you're going....
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David Xavier
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.21 08:58:00 -
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Refocusing on the EVE Universe is good news. I may be wrong here, but it bugs me why don't you just assign people from WoD to EvE if everything is fine? My HRM teacher taught me that firing people is the last resort. |
Babau
Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten Bruderschaft der Pilger
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 09:51:00 -
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this will be bitter for some ppl, but i think for CCP its the right decision. and regarding subscription you have to count the ALT's. i have 3 accounts, and probably have to let 1 go next year, not becaus of CCP, but because the 3 accs have a huge blow on my (real life) wallet. :) i think ppl wont stop playing eve if they got "hooked", sometime there is a longer break, but stop subscription for main-char wont happened so oftern.
personally i cant understand the decision to build DUST exclusively for PS3. i would love to play it, but not on a console...
after all, you souldnt stop/reduce development for eve. its the greatest space-sim out there. only thing is, you need time to do anything, and ppl. i would love to see some more fast paced action in the future, like a instanced dog-fight arena, freelance-style, like a FPS-minigame. |
Slippery Duke
F.A.R.T
2
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Posted - 2011.10.21 10:17:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Do the devs even remember how to code for EvE FiS anymore after 4 years of.....making one room?
Simple answer - No ;) |
Dodecapod
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 10:19:00 -
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Ye, best of luck to the people loosing their jobs, hope you guys all land on your feet.
I don't know what happened there CCP... You clearly had the right idea at one point. The whole thing about players not being to identify with a ship is the right track... Ever since I started playing EVE, I kept hoping to have an actual character ingame and when all that talk about INCARNA started, I thought "yesssss, they finally got it". Yes, having an actual character, walking on stations, etc. I thought it was the right move and that it would bring a huge number of new players to EVE and was excited about getting more targets on my overview.
Somehow, it all slowed way the f*** down and all we've seen of INCARNA is what I sincerely consider a BETA. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to go along with this as long as it helps the devs iron out CARBON. I understood that it was a huge undertaking but apparently CCP didn't.
( T O C C P: ) So I'd like to reinforce this slowboat that is called carbon or walking on station or future vision. CCP, put on your mwd on and overheat if for god's sake; and when you get CARBON to work smoothly and load faster and reduce it's strain on our graphics cards, continue and give us the racial captain's quarters; and when you get all this sorted, don't stop. It's not enough to just see your character in a room. The point of having a character is to be in a crowd and to build on this social aspect of the game. Wouldn't have NEX worked better if you could show off your new coat or pair of boots to the other players? What good does it do now? You buy boots, you take a twirl in your lonely room and that's it... nothin' left to do then undock!
Sorry to get negative at the end there, but that's just how it is. Now focus on getting this stuff done and you will get a throng of new accounts. You know you will. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
14
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Posted - 2011.10.21 10:25:00 -
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Difficult times,
While pleased that CCP are continuing to focus on Eve, its always upsetting to hear that so many people will be loosing their jobs.
I wish all those affected the very best and I hope that they are able to recover quickly.
Fly safe everyone....
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
CircleSquare
Trask Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:02:00 -
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Eurogamer Interview with Hilmar:-
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview
Pretty honest stuff...."I absolutely considered [resigning] but I think that frankly it would have been an easy way out."
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Dr Zuma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:32:00 -
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CCP facing reality, things must be really ******* bad :/
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
4
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:29:00 -
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At least the winter expansion plans seem good to me.
It's just a damned shame we had to twist their arm so hard that good people lost their jobs to just get these things done... things that should have been done years ago |
Jacob Menard
Pure Evil Warriors The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:03:00 -
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A toast to fallen CCP capsuleers, who's re-incarnation chambers have been damaged beyond repair. |
Azelor Delaria
Error-404
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:31:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:At least the winter expansion plans seem good to me.
It's just a damned shame we had to twist their arm so hard that good people lost their jobs to just get these things done... things that should have been done years ago
I don't see us having twisted their arms "hard enough" that people lost their jobs.
Look at what the business model had been. "Ignore the EVE Online customers, our cash source, while simultaneously working on two new games, and still having a loan to repay with-in the coming months." How can anyone sit there and say it's because of the players that these people lost their jobs?
I made it clear: the bad business practices and the lack of clear thought processes led to Hilmar canning 100 people. Had he thought a little and realized all that was going on, this may not have happened, or maybe only a few people lost their jobs.
Then again, I don't think he anticipated his idiocy getting out to the "unwashed masses" in the form of the leaked e-mail. |
Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
17
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:34:00 -
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For any CCP guys who lost their jobs. My two cents, I need an IT guy, duties would be running the network for a Multi- State company, I am implementing an open source CRM solution across all divisions, so someone familiar with this would be good, also needs to be able to integrate our own modules into the CRM system. The CRM will be tied into a social media system that is going to be heavily automated. So basically, you would be running the IT for the Company, implementing and configuring various systems and servers. Would have to move to any of the following areas- CA, Tucson, Phoenix, or NM. As usual there would be a drug test and background check, we do a lot of work with the Feds, so that part is important. Cheers. There it is. |
DJ Xaphod
Eve Radio Corporation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:39:00 -
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A CCP Hilmar quote on the layoffs:
"How it relates to the community - that is part of the restructuring, our community division has been spread around the globe and has had a lot of good contact with the community. But we've not been as effective. By centralising customer support and community, we have more people doing community work than we did before. Being co-located with the developers allows the information within the community groups to have a much more direct effect on the development process."
from http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview
Thoughts? EVE Radio, bringing music to the masses
Purple Sabbath, with Xaphod; Sunday 12:00 game time. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
27
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:08:00 -
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I don't particularly find this reassuring.
As a fan of EVE I am holding any judgement on the future until I see the winter expansion. Words are not what I base my opinions on and so far I'm hearing nice words but I'd waiting for results.
However before coming to EVE I was (and still am) a die-hard fan of white-wolf in particular of the Masquerade. In this respect what has happened bites very very deep. From my point of view, you took something precious, filled it with your bloated ambitions and have left it lying by the roadside. Along the way you have terribly wounded, if not killed, something which was great. This is hugely frustrating.
However, I don't blame you. You tried to dream big and gave it a shot. You flew the flight of Icarus and fell back down to earth and are now feeling the pain. Odds are pretty good the pain is not over yet. I firmly believe though that if you have the option between trying to reach for the moon, and not doing anything at all, reaching for the moon is always the best option. Consequences can be brutal though.
Make EVE work. Learn to love EVE again. Then all will be better. |
Slippery Duke
F.A.R.T
2
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:15:00 -
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Hilmar P+¬tursson: I feel very accountable for the situation and it's really hard to go through these steps in this way. We took on too many things as a company and our focus was spread too thin. These were very much the decisions that I as CEO made and supported, and I think everyone now agrees that we need to do these adjustments. That's a hard thing to realise, especially because people are hurt in the process. That's the reality.
This is a understatement of gross proportions maybe time to let some one else have the centre seat old chap.
Quote taken from http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview |
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