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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
322
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:26:00 -
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These have a use in PVP, and you'll be killing some emergent gameplay mechanics that have been in use, by my alliance at least.
- When conducting highsec ganking, or trying to scan down larger ships running missions, we will often employ deep space probes. Why? People do not realize these can scan down ships, thus, they do not panic when they see them on d-scan. This is a common tactic for scanning down large(er) battleships running lowsec missions, or scanning down miners in highsec for suicide ganking. they will often dock up if they see combat probes, but stay out if we use DSP's.
- they can be used by an advance scout to pop out one, and run a single cycle scan of larger systems to see if any ships are present in the system. this lets an FC quickly decide if a system can be skipped / moved through, or if he would like to have the scout spend a little time warping around or popping out combat probes and doing a more thorough search of the system.
- The Swift and Bitter Deep Space Probe Exploration Guide has helped plex runners speed up the rate at which they can identify and scan down the plexes they want to run for a long time now. this is a common tool used by many people to waste less time scanning down sites and increase their overall isk/hr. Link: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/
The above three points, while not 'game changing' are examples of emergent gameplay mechanics established for a long time now, and used by many players. They add to the depth and complexity of this game, and are all useful.
I would ask CCP reconsider their decision to remove DSP's given the above examples of their (unintended?) use. |
SmarncaV2
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
28
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:42:00 -
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I agree.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
38
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:44:00 -
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+1 I agree Fast Character Switching:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233321&find=unread |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
326
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:52:00 -
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Yet another example of their usefulness in PVP, sent to me by a friend just now:
"We use them in wormholes . We launch a single DSP and have a guy constantly cycling it looking for new inbound wormhole sigs (deteminerable by the DSP exploration guide I linked earlier), and ship signatures as a defensive measure while we rat sleepers." |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
353
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:53:00 -
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+1
Makes exploration a lot less tedious as you can at least rule out a bunch of sigs. Agree on the doesn't freak people out as much as seeing combat probes on scan as well. This works on small WH corps sometimes as well as in highsec. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
353
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:54:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:Yet another example of their usefulness in PVP, sent to me by a friend just now:
"We use them in wormholes . We launch a single DSP and have a guy constantly cycling it looking for new inbound wormhole sigs (deteminerable by the DSP exploration guide I linked earlier), and ship signatures as a defensive measure while we rat sleepers."
Thanks! Not thought of that before. Will use (if they don't remove them). |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
138
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:00:00 -
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+1
this probe redo...not sure from what trashcan they pulled it out from but it needs to go back there.
Losing these probes, and the skill level needed to run this is not even getting reimbursed. Only needed for this item and covert portal generator. And unless sales have shot up....at one point in time there were more titans than blops on the server.
I would say more skill was good for more probes but ccp said you really didn't want 8 probes, did you? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:17:00 -
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CCP. Forcin us to give up all our stealthy DSP secrets in order to save them
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
78
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:50:00 -
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+1 multiple times |
Till Riedell
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:42:00 -
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+1
Please stop trying to ninja nerf things ccp. I want my deep space probes. |
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Xavier Thorm
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
86
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:54:00 -
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Since when are DSPs being removed? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:12:00 -
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Xavier Thorm wrote:Since when are DSPs being removed?
Since SiSi, where they have already added the Scanning for Dummies system scanner, and converted all of my DSPs into Sisters Core and vanilla Core scan probes respectively. |
Jureth22
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
72
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:17:00 -
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14 days wasted on training for deep space :D |
Xavier Thorm
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:17:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Xavier Thorm wrote:Since when are DSPs being removed? Since SiSi, where they have already added the Scanning for Dummies system scanner, and converted all of my DSPs into Sisters Core and vanilla Core scan probes respectively.
I really like the new scanning system, but I'm sad they're removing DSPs, especially without saying anything about that before (unless I just missed that somehow). |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:38:00 -
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Xavier Thorm wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Xavier Thorm wrote:Since when are DSPs being removed? Since SiSi, where they have already added the Scanning for Dummies system scanner, and converted all of my DSPs into Sisters Core and vanilla Core scan probes respectively. I really like the new scanning system, but I'm sad they're removing DSPs, especially without saying anything about that before (unless I just missed that somehow).
If anything was explicitly stated, then I missed it as well. First thing I noticed about it was when my DSPs were removed from Sisi and replac with vanilla core probes.
I guess the devs, who likely never scan anything outside of internal testing, feel that the new Scanning for Dummies system scanner replaces the functionality of DSPs for the majority of people (who weren't using them creatively) and so they can simply go. I personally haven't noticed this, but then, SiSi k-space is kind of a joke for getting a full range of scanning results anyway, and I didn't have an alt logged off down a WH for the last mirror. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:57:00 -
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Yes. this basically boils down I am sure to the devs not realizing these probes are used for stuff other than just scanning down anoms, but that they actually have a variety of uses outside of PVE scanning.
Please keep bumping this thread until we at least get some acnowledgement that it has been read and considered or DSP's will be gone forever :( |
Shegunna Blow
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:31:00 -
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So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
328
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:57:00 -
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Shegunna Blow wrote:So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?
I suppose. but you're missing the point that they are removing 256 AU probes, which are horribly useful. Not to mention that afaik you can still OPT to drop a single probe, if you want to use the DSP tool I linked above. |
Urban Trucker
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:04:00 -
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Lord I remember how much time I spent training up Deep Space Probes. Was in a C4 wormhole at the time, and scanning down anoms in the connecting C3 SUCKED without the Deep Space Probe.
It helps.. especially when there are 25 anom's to scan down. I want to go have fun, not scan down every site...
They have not given a Reason for actually removing the Deep Space Probe. Please do not. You'd just **** off a bunch of people. I am for sale (Fenrir Freighter Pilot, 1.4 mil skillpoints, cheap)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2982440#post2982440 |
Hitman 001
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:21:00 -
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+1 i use em for pvp |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:25:00 -
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Shegunna Blow wrote:So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?
Except that I can now only drop seven. I can't drop a DSP and idle it while I use those seven probes for something else. (Especially since I don't even have a DSP anymore.) I can't drop 8 scan probes and run them in two groups of four. I still have to go through the hassle of setting up four or five probe constellations manually, since the factory presets are the only presets, and seem to be designed only to drop seven at a time.
In making things 'easier,' they've also seemingly locked some of us out of useful, if more difficult, functionality that we enjoyed. All of the things they have added could have been done without removing the things that they did.
After playing with this a bit on SiSi, it's obvious that CCP envisions the Scanning for Dummies system scanner they have added to replace the only function of DSPs that they cared about, which is scanning large systems to see if there are any sigs at all. I may be reading it wrong, but the new % reading and bar graph doesn't seem to be banding the way the old DSPs did, so that's more lost functionality as well. |
Linkxsc162534
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:46:00 -
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DSPs should stay, they make WH life a lot simpler. Never used them for PVP but thats a great idea, cause even if people were looking for probes on Dscan, you could just set the thing off to the side so that its not in Dscan range of the area you're probing.
Yeah it might be a little more difficult and slower for a player to use right off, but you can save yourself a lot of time in other places, not wasting time scanning down worthless |
Kelrift
V.O.I.D. Shadow Cartel
2
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:56:00 -
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+1 I use DSP's in both PvP and Basic System Recon |
Xavier Thorm
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:01:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Shegunna Blow wrote:So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?
Except that I can now only drop seven. I can't drop a DSP and idle it while I use those seven probes for something else. (Especially since I don't even have a DSP anymore.) I can't drop 8 scan probes and run them in two groups of four. I still have to go through the hassle of setting up four or five probe constellations manually, since the factory presets are the only presets, and seem to be designed only to drop seven at a time. In making things 'easier,' they've also seemingly locked some of us out of useful, if more difficult, functionality that we enjoyed. All of the things they have added could have been done without removing the things that they did. After playing with this a bit on SiSi, it's obvious that CCP envisions the Scanning for Dummies system scanner they have added to replace the only function of DSPs that they cared about, which is scanning large systems to see if there are any sigs at all. I may be reading it wrong, but the new % reading and bar graph doesn't seem to be banding the way the old DSPs did, so that's more lost functionality as well.
This gives me some really good insight that kinda sours my opinion of the upcoming changes. That's sad. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
496
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:16:00 -
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yeah I dont know why they want to remove them, they are an awesome addition to the probing system.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:17:00 -
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Xavier Thorm wrote:
This gives me some really good insight that kinda sours my opinion of the upcoming changes. That's sad.
Thing is, I don't even necessarily have a problem with what they've done. Dummies system scanner? OK. Preset constellations? I'd prefer to save & recall my own, but OK. It's what they took out that really proves bothersome. No 8th probe? No DSPs? Possibly no banding? Not liking that much.
I see no reason from a playability standpoint that both systems can't be in place. I understand there's code beneath the hood that I have no clue about. And I understand how bad probes used to be a few releases ago. But they had it almost perfect already, and this is too much toward 'easy.' It's like seeing that some people need help learning to ride the bike, so instead of bolting on some training wheels to take off later, they've made them a necessary part of the frame that can never be removed, even after you learn how to ride. |
RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
63
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:05:00 -
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Bump and +1 for Great Justice |
Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice R O G U E
47
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:17:00 -
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I don't like what CCP is doing there either, so +1 from me. That move is so "un-EVE like". Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
383
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:35:00 -
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+1 this is bogus |
kai il
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
2
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:38:00 -
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+1 dont remove them! I just trained for them >.> |
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Whisperen
Handsome Millionaire Playboys RISE of LEGION
30
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:51:00 -
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Bad change leave the dsps they are useful for more important things then scanning cosmic sigs. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
140
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:07:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:yeah I dont know why they want to remove them, they are an awesome addition to the probing system.
even better is the lack of notifcation about it. You'd have to go the sisi forum and see the notification. Implying you have to be a sisi tester to see it. I know with my rl schedule I barely got the time to play actual eve let alone play in the test server. I need my isk per hour on the live server, I don't get many hours to make that isk lol.
Now most other odyssey changes have been blogged for a while. Hell...its the reason why page 1 here has litte room for non-dev'ed stickies. CCP could have said this months ago. Whats 1 more dev sticky on page 1, right?
We were given ample time with the blogs to get that CS trained now if lacking it. The racial BC switch was even a longer "hey guys...its coming" process. I have put off another BS 5 train for caps I want because I knew months out its not needed from their blogs.
After reading the sisi thread I do see why they are doing this stealth change. Not many are happy with it. Yay...formations. Jsut have to deal with a crap ui for what they find now. And -1 probe for those who worked out nice 8 probe schemes already. |
Sai Talos
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:14:00 -
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DONT TAKE MAH PROBES PLOX.
WHY?!?!?!?
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Shin'alor
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
4
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:14:00 -
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My name is Shin Arturas Alor, and I approve this message. |
Joseph Barnacle O'Sullivan
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
5
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:15:00 -
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Save Deep Space Probes!
P.S. I like potatoes. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
240
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:16:00 -
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+1 DSP make WH life more bareable. It will be hell having to scan down every sig in a system to find one specific type of sig. |
The Breath
Dark Parrot
2
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:53:00 -
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I hope ccp can provide other tools or other ways to scan deep space. "now --for a breath I tarry,-ánor yet disperse apart -á--take my hand quick and tell me,-áwhat have you in your hear." |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2739
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:02:00 -
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+1
stupid move
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
496
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:03:00 -
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what I personally dislike mostly is they are dumbing down another part of the game for noobs. WHY?
And why the f*ck do I need 7 probes, the only case I sometimes needed 5!! probes for probing 10/10 plexes with a not maxed prober, in any other case I always used only 4 of them. On sisi I cant even launch single probes anymore, just stupid constellations of 7!! probes. This new probing is trash, I hope its not going live on tranq with Odyssey and is getting massively reworked. |
Captain John Crichton
Depraved Corruption Darkspawn.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:35:00 -
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+1 from me as well, don't take away DSP! They are great for WH scaning and probing mission runs in lowsec. Don't "fix" probing only too nerf it! |
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
341
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:16:00 -
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bump and another testemonial on the awesomeness of DSP's from my personal favorite pvp pro
"You won't need them for plex probing, but they are extremely useful in combat probing. You can drop one at 256 AU and tell in 6 seconds how many ships are in space, and get a general idea of ship class too. The new system has no way of reproducing this without scattering combat probes all over system, and even then they have a lot more deviation in scan size dependent on distance from the center of the probe." |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:18:00 -
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I hope a Dev responds to this. This atrocity would be a lot easier to swallow with at least a decent explanation. It would be insulting to be ignored (my apologies if you responded somewhere else).
+1 - I trained DSP's to take advantage of all the above clever ideas and creative uses (You know, the things that make the game great) and now my reward for all that training is, "There, there, see . . . you don't need them anymore, we made it easier."
If new players are too lazy to learn to scan there are a million and one other fun things for them to do in the game, and later when they get curious they'll pick it up. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
341
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:22:00 -
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A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.
This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs. |
Anabaric
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
23
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:43:00 -
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Stealth nerf detected.
GIVE BACK!!
Seriously, these are vital for combat probing. extraneus bastard
Blog: http://imsdemons.pvp101.net-á |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
341
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:48:00 -
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And yet another good point raised by someone:
DSP's can be used to track people down at system deep safes. Doing the same w/ combat probes is much more time consuming and difficult. |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
27
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:00:00 -
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Ohnoes my farmin Pwobes O__o |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
81
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:01:00 -
[47] - Quote
+1 for this idea |
Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
22
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:02:00 -
[48] - Quote
+1 while I don't do that anymore, I used to use DSP to probe for marauder and battleships in mission hubs. It was damn useful to have DSPs back then. |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:20:00 -
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By the way does anyone know if anything is coming as a replacement? Or if Astrometrics 5 will at least become a prereq to some other new fancy scanning tool?
I'd feel quite the fool if they were intending to replace DSP's with some T2 probe that served the same/similar purpose. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
343
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:40:00 -
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Gweny Gnosyn wrote:By the way does anyone know if anything is coming as a replacement? Or if Astrometrics 5 will at least become a prereq to some other new fancy scanning tool?
I'd feel quite the fool if they were intending to replace DSP's with some T2 probe that served the same/similar purpose.
There is no replacement. They are being removed and converted to core scanner probes. there will be no equivalent low-accuracy but high range probe.
The reasons for the removal are unclear. The general sentiment is that it's unecessary, and an arbitrary change because CCP is under the impression that 'they are not used for anything' ..
This is why we're asking for dev comment. Understanding at least the *reason* for the removal of DSP's would help. |
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Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:51:00 -
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Well that would just be a damn shame, but ok, I can resume protesting:
RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE! |
Zircon Dasher
195
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:54:00 -
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I support the removal precisely because of the reasons listed in this thread. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:02:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I support the removal precisely because of the reasons listed in this thread.
Ha ha, so to be clear you support their removal because they are a useful tool for both exploration and PVP? Could you be more specific, maybe provide an example of how it might improve the game to make these tasks more difficult? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
343
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:10:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I support the removal precisely because of the reasons listed in this thread.
I smell a highsec scrubloard who wants his little corner of 'safe space' where he can run and hide and be a carebear all day |
Zircon Dasher
196
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:23:00 -
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Chandaris wrote: I smell a highsec scrubloard who wants his little corner of 'safe space' where he can run and hide and be a carebear all day
Under no circumstances was a DSP ever deployed to keep carebears "safe" OR to play farmville amiright?
Intel (for anyone) should be valuable and require effort. Currently that is not the case with DSP and would have been less so after the other changes.
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Vaihto Ehto
12
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:26:00 -
[56] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:- The Swift and Bitter Deep Space Probe Exploration Guide has helped plex runners speed up the rate at which they can identify and scan down the plexes they want to run for a long time now. this is a common tool used by many people to waste less time scanning down sites and increase their overall isk/hr. Link: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/
This is in my opinion the strongest argument for removing the DSPs. Why would you not use an alt to post on the forums? |
Loko Morice
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:29:00 -
[57] - Quote
Use these quite often for both scouting in PvP as well as exploration. |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Now, now, no need for name calling. Carebears are an important part of the ecosystem. Predators need prey :) |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety
59
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:40:00 -
[59] - Quote
i want dsp remain in game |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:43:00 -
[60] - Quote
Zircon Dasher wrote:Chandaris wrote: I smell a highsec scrubloard who wants his little corner of 'safe space' where he can run and hide and be a carebear all day Under no circumstances was a DSP ever deployed to keep carebears "safe" OR to play farmville amiright? Intel (for anyone) should be valuable and require effort. Currently that is not the case with DSP and would have been less so after the other changes. It is not that DSP are unnecessary-- it is that they are already very powerful and would become even more powerful with the addition of new mods and skill changes.
That's a reasonable point, but I contest. You do have to work for the information do you not? Also they're useful for helping stay safe. As one poster pointed out they use them to monitor for changes in the system so they have advance warning and get out.
I agree they are a potent information gathering tool, just like strat cruisers are a potent PVP tool, I don't see it degrading the game in any way.
As for the DSP Guide there is a far easier fix than dropping them. Just add inherent variation to complex signatures, problem solved and DSP's can still be used for WH exploration and other creative things. |
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Twistator
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:08:00 -
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Please dont remove DSPs! |
Lucy Alfrir
The Lost Shadows Circle of the Shadows
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
I was just about to train for DSPs as they looked useful for all kinds of things, please don't remove em. |
Sir John Halsey
16
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
Burn JITA!
On a more serious note, every explorer or people living in WH will be deeply affected by this. CCP, Don't remove DSPs!!!
JH |
Shinzann
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
5
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
Keep the DSPs! For the reasons my fellow WH residents have already explained way better than I could. |
Celeo Servasse
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
2
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:12:00 -
[65] - Quote
Many great reasons have been expressed for keeping the DSPs. Would really hate to see them go. |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
304
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:20:00 -
[66] - Quote
Quote:DEV Response requested
Because you're a special snowflake right? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
347
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:25:00 -
[67] - Quote
You bet I am. |
Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
3
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
IMO keep the probes but remove their ability to scan down players. Call me a care bare if you want but if you pvpers were half as good as you clame to be you wouldnt need to use DSP for pvp. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:46:00 -
[69] - Quote
What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU? |
HazeInADaze
L'Avant Garde
47
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:48:00 -
[70] - Quote
Helios Aquiness wrote:IMO keep the probes but remove their ability to scan down players. Call me a care bare if you want but if you pvpers were half as good as you clame to be you wouldnt need to use DSP for pvp.
or remove combat probes and have core probes locate ships too. That way players have to learn how to tell when probes are zeroing in on their position -- Call me a pvper, but if carebears were half as good as they clame to be, they would be able tell when probes are meant for them or someone else. |
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
351
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:56:00 -
[71] - Quote
Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU?
If these probes were being removed for a specific reason, sure I'd buy it and take it lying down. The drone/agression nerf was to combat people AFK missioning, for example.
To date, no reason has been provided for the removal of DSP's. They are hadly 'OP' in any way..
From a PVP scanning perspective, they are less effective than combat scanner probes. From a probing perspective and using the external tool I originally linked, it at best gives you a rough idea what you're scanning down, but is not 100%..
Neither of these are terribly unbalanced, or game breaking. These probes have just found a useful, emergent nich in wormhole defense, PVP scanning and PVE ..
It seems they have been removed without thought, or reason .. I think the only people in this forum are asking for is a good reason *why* they are being removed, or reconsideration of said removal if no good reason can be provided. |
Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
3
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:58:00 -
[72] - Quote
Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU?
But its ok when pvpers do it right? Personally I dont care as I bail as soon as I see any kind of probe in a wh that isnt mine. |
gawrshmapooo
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:59:00 -
[73] - Quote
+1
Not okay with this at all. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
Agreed. Removing dsp benefits no one and harms many. |
Castor Narcissus
Limited Liability
19
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:27:00 -
[75] - Quote
Never used them. But I've reading a lot of complain in the test forums. Just wanted to had to the topic.
If you are going to remove them at least replace DSP with a feature that does the same using the skills that people had to train for it, since you are touching the scanning mechanics, it's a good time to do it now than later. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:37:00 -
[76] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU? If these probes were being removed for a specific reason, sure I'd buy it and take it lying down. The drone/agression nerf was to combat people AFK missioning, for example. To date, no reason has been provided for the removal of DSP's. They are hadly 'OP' in any way.. From a PVP scanning perspective, they are less effective than combat scanner probes. From a probing perspective and using the external tool I originally linked, it at best gives you a rough idea what you're scanning down, but is not 100%.. Neither of these are terribly unbalanced, or game breaking. These probes have just found a useful, emergent nich in wormhole defense, PVP scanning and PVE .. It seems they have been removed without thought, or reason .. I think the only people in this forum are asking for is a good reason *why* they are being removed, or reconsideration of said removal if no good reason can be provided. I agree, a reason would be nice. And maybe they have one. But I was responding to the majority of posts in this thread which are not "asking why," they are saying "don't remove them." |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:39:00 -
[77] - Quote
Helios Aquiness wrote:Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU? But its ok when pvpers do it right? Personally I dont care as I bail as soon as I see any kind of probe in a wh that isnt mine. I assume anyone in a WH is a "PVPer." If not, they're in for some surprises. |
Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice R O G U E
48
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:42:00 -
[78] - Quote
Castor Narcissus wrote:Never used them. But I've reading a lot of complain in the test forums. Just wanted to had to the topic.
If you are going to remove them at least replace DSP with a feature that does the same using the skills that people had to train for it, since you are touching the scanning mechanics, it's a good time to do it now than later.
Either that, or we'd might need a skill reset for compensation.
I am still confused as to why remove them now though - provided that is the actual intention.
CCP goes mysterious ways at times Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
232
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:49:00 -
[79] - Quote
Not sure why they are being removed. Although I don't use them often, I do use them. |
BigCynoBoom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:50:00 -
[80] - Quote
DSP should stay in the game, there is absolutely no reason to remove them. |
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Mimiru Minahiro
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
Umm.... you guys know that removing DSPs actually make roaming bands more viable.....right? The removal of the 256AU d-scan is a good thing. |
Sentamon
900
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:11:00 -
[82] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:These have a use in PVP, and you'll be killing some emergent gameplay mechanics that have been in use, by my alliance at least.
- When conducting highsec ganking, or trying to scan down larger ships running missions, we will often employ deep space probes..
Ganker tears best emergent gameplay. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
68
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:11:00 -
[83] - Quote
+1 Trained for them for a reason. Use them continuously. You should feel bad. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
473
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:13:00 -
[84] - Quote
I just don't want items I got in my collection removed.
Remember last time you deleted stuff, CCP? it didn't end well.
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Scinndie
Horizon Military Group Eternal Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
DSP are a valuable tool for both site runners, and PvPers. I do not believe they should be removed. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
360
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:55:00 -
[86] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:Ganker tears best emergent gameplay.
We don't cry mate, we adapt. Try harder :)
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1476
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:09:00 -
[87] - Quote
The wormhole argument is moot, new wormhole sigs should show up on the sweep scan the second they appear, if you have sound on they even come complete with a "blip" noise. |
Apoctasy
the united Negative Ten.
24
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:43:00 -
[88] - Quote
Use them for sites and, don't remove this CCP! |
Amidia Zadel
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:44:00 -
[89] - Quote
+1 |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
587
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:10:00 -
[90] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.
This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs. Considering, so far, in several threads related to odyssey changes, the second Devs start receiving alot fo negative feedback, theyd rop out and dissappear, i doubt well get anything useful in response here besides "these chagnes are good, harden up, blah blah blah" |
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Tsubutai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
198
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:40:00 -
[91] - Quote
Supported. DSPs have a number of PVP uses and the new system scanner is not an adequate replacement. |
uyguhb
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:47:00 -
[92] - Quote
i agree with the second and third points. the first just makes me laugh though. few things as comical as players calling ganking pvp...a highsec miner playing for a few months who doesnt know how dsp's work and gets killed because of it. then the ganker goes about his day acting like he destroyed the death star with a spitball. might as well be a 40 year old man punching a baby in the face. this is eve so go right ahead and seek entertainment. but stop deluding yourself into thinking ccp should go out of their way to give you more ways to pick on players far less skilled or experienced than you. |
Roel Yento
Black Rain Cartel
4
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:16:00 -
[93] - Quote
Agree that dsp's should be kept for pvp purpose or allow combat probes to scan at 256au. The test server feedback post, ccp only talks about their pve use and fails to respond to tons of posts about their pvp use. Would be nice to at least know why there will be no substitu or why they want to move away from their offensive and defensive pvp use. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:40:00 -
[94] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:Chandaris wrote:A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.
This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs. Considering, so far, in several threads related to odyssey changes, the second Devs start receiving alot fo negative feedback, theyd rop out and dissappear, i doubt well get anything useful in response here besides "these chagnes are good, harden up, blah blah blah"
Actually, and thankfully, there has been a Dev response to this issue, and most of the issues that have been raised (7 vs 8 probes, no way to launch single probes, no list version of signatures, etc.) seem to be being reconsidered, along with the DSP mechanic.
If you pick through the latter third of the linked thread below, CCP Tallest gives his response to player input:
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233600[/url] |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:43:00 -
[95] - Quote
Roel Yento wrote:Agree that dsp's should be kept for pvp purpose or allow combat probes to scan at 256au. The test server feedback post, ccp only talks about their pve use and fails to respond to tons of posts about their pvp use. Would be nice to at least know why there will be no substitu or why they want to move away from their offensive and defensive pvp use.
My honest believe is in agreement with one of the posters in the feedback thread, that the probe revamp itself was a bit of a rush job by Devs that don't actually spend any time truly wringing the scanning system out for all its worth. It's obvious they solicited no input up front, and therefore knew absolutely nothing about what was being done with probes beyond vanilla scanning. |
Pell Helix
Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking
35
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:53:00 -
[96] - Quote
As a wormhole deep space probes are a core part of my game play. When scouting a system I can use a single deep core to scan the largest of systems without having to put a probe within d-scannable range of any potential hostiles.
It allows us to make use of the extended range of the probe as a way to not have our probes be seen on d-scan and for those of us who know how to use them it has become an important part of our scouting.
With d-scan being such an important part of wormhole space deep cores range makes them hugely useful and beneficial.
Please consider the emergent uses for deep core probes before you make the decision to axe them.
- A Wormholer |
megamatt
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:56:00 -
[97] - Quote
Wow, just, wow.
I was under the impression that DSP's were Mainly used for pvp, I know thats what I trained them for.
I cant believe these are being removed. |
Caples
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:10:00 -
[98] - Quote
+1. Without my DSPs I am but a shell of a man.
Seriously though. Don't take them from us. |
Athena Themis
Meadows Industrial
130
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:18:00 -
[99] - Quote
What a colossal waste of a skill. 14 days of training and there will be nothing to show for it. |
Emeos
Nefarious. Disavowed.
34
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:28:00 -
[100] - Quote
Posting to show my support of OP. Deep space probes have a useful role in the game and should not be deleted. |
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Jacky Rho
Minmatar United Freedom Front The 11th Hour Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:14:00 -
[101] - Quote
+1, if thay take my DSP's i better well get stealth combats that don't show on d scan and a long rand probe. CCP you do remember that you have systems bigger than 32 AU... right? |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
142
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:22:00 -
[102] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:Ganker tears best emergent gameplay.
you do know another part to the change is scan mods, right? Like stack up a buzzard with them and you as I am reading it gets almost virtue level performance. The gankers lose one trick, get another.
DSP's were really an out of empire thing. The gank crews in empire are getting if done right get very fast lock times and not having to pay for virtues to get it. if their owner is on the ball and fleet mates are half decent you get very little time from seeing probes on ov to seeing a tackle called on you.
It's taking away one gankers method and boosting another one. You actually want the dsp's in play and not the ghetto virtue buzzard that will cost less then 40 mil (vice whatever full virtues go for these days). Especially if you have done anything to be hard to find in your ship. Virtues made this is a viable setup. Not many shake and bake probers in empire or elsewhere are going to be virtue'd up. Soon, they won't have to.
I am not even a scanner and I hate this change. I am a pve'er who wants dsp low power scans. They find their uber BS carebears and go pop them leaving me in my hard to find tengu alone. I am looking at this change and basically enjoying the last days of hard to find tengu flying. Just can't decide what bs to replace it with.
The tl;dr....carebears get the shaft in this deal as well. Enjoy the tears...they will enjoy yours as a fresh new probe alt will be able to get lockable signals in record time not needing the SOE implants or the max skills currently needed for this. |
Trader13
NOT A FRONT
3
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:43:00 -
[103] - Quote
+1
There is a fine line between stream lining a system and dumbing it down, I feel that DSP removal is skirting that line.
You're removing a useful tool people have invested a reasonable amount of training time to acquire without a solid reason or alternate method of replicating the functionality. |
marlinspike von Crendraven
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:04:00 -
[104] - Quote
+1 save the DSP's |
Lea Swiftfoot
Kingdom Mauraders Syndicate
18
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:44:00 -
[105] - Quote
+1 from me.
While I personally don't use deep space probes, the fact that they are creating an expansion around exploration, and then getting rid of something that sounds so cool, just doesn't do it justice. sending probes 256 AU sounds like exploration to me. also if it takes 14 days to train it fully, then even if you apply probing for dummies to dsp's its still valuable, as well as you can add in a factor of mabey X1.3 loot from a deep space annomally? Something like that sounds completely interesting to me. |
Gavro Faddon
The Back Yard Twilight Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:01:00 -
[106] - Quote
I don't see how removing the Deep Space Probes will bring back the sense of "there's a whole Universe out there", the way I saw explained as a spearhead in coming expansions. I saw the scanning system as a new player, figured out that I needed the DSP's, trained for it, and had MY sense of achievement by finally being able to use them.
I figured out most of the other uses explained here and it even got me into WH-daytripping, because I felt saver with them fitted. I even decided to take my first steps in having a POS in W-Space because of this "chain-of-achievement". With Odyssey coming, I feel like my work has been for naught: I had just graduated from Eve-college and now they tell me my certificate is worthless and I have to go find another profession. That's how it feels. Now, I just want to drop the whole thing and go do something else in Eve.
They'd have to come up with a Real Good alternative to nullify this sense of injustice I'm experiencing. Getting good at Eve is tedious work, but I have persevered. Now you're taking away my achievement? Really? So please: let them stay. They are the hallmark of a dedicated scanner. It COUNTS for something if you can use these. Taking them away just lowers CCP's standing to me. In a virtual kind of way.
TL;DR - Just... don't do this. |
Onyx Nyx
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
359
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:28:00 -
[107] - Quote
As a WH dweller and everyday user of Deep Space Probes, I hope that you do not to go through with this change because it is ridiculous and frankly daft.
While we are on the subject and something that annoys me slightly is that CCP seemingly hard capped the number of probes deployed to seven, not eight, nine or ten probes. Why? I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. |
Galileo Ohaya
Tortuga Coalition 102
10
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Posted - 2013.05.11 08:57:00 -
[108] - Quote
yeah, Living in a WH I want to keep the DSPs. They are way too useful for those who have taken the time to learn them and develoted the skill points to being able to use them.
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General Escobar
BREAKING-POINT Primal Force
13
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:46:00 -
[109] - Quote
+1 please do not remove them!! |
Kiliv
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave
15
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:00:00 -
[110] - Quote
They are more useful than most people think, dont get rid! Director of Operations & Logistics for Lumodynamics Power Control Corp.
Panda Cave Diplomat. |
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Apostrof Ahashion
Viziam Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:30:00 -
[111] - Quote
+1 bump
too many stickies |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
500
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:47:00 -
[112] - Quote
so yet another time no dev gives a f*ck about what players think and want? How surprising |
kingchip randchip
Shadows Of The Requiem Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 14:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
Well, I guess CCP is finally giving in to dumb the game down.. Soon it will be like call of duty....
+1 trained 14 days for DSP for nothing lmao... |
HonsjuPL
Shadows Of The Requiem Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 14:09:00 -
[114] - Quote
O lord dumbing it down.............
+1 |
Xavier Thorm
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2013.05.11 14:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
If CCP isn't going to allow us to create our own probe formations, they should at least give us two groups of four probes so we can probe two things simultaneously. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
500
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:07:00 -
[116] - Quote
if they arent going to allow us use our own formations, they should scrap their entire concept and leave us a working probing mechanism so long. dont want and never needed formations of 7 f*cking probes, so I'm even required to have 7 of them in the launcher at any time I want to use them. wtf is this CCP? Finish your job and pls dont deploy a half done stuff on tranq! |
Will Ambraelle
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:20:00 -
[117] - Quote
+1
Do not remove please. even if they are a little redundant, they still have creative uses. |
Kel hound
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
36
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:46:00 -
[118] - Quote
+1 save the DSP. |
Apostrof Ahashion
Viziam Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:37:00 -
[119] - Quote
bump |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1129
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:51:00 -
[120] - Quote
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
510
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:22:00 -
[121] - Quote
bump |
Apostrof Ahashion
Viziam Amarr Empire
182
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Posted - 2013.05.12 20:34:00 -
[122] - Quote
too many stickies |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
510
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:34:00 -
[123] - Quote
bump |
Tanner K
Victims of the Realm
0
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
+1. They should stay in game. |
S0NFANNA
Cause For Concern SCUM.
9
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:56:00 -
[125] - Quote
+1. SAVE THE DSP!!!!!!!! |
Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
126
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Posted - 2013.05.13 06:27:00 -
[126] - Quote
100% they need to keep DSP's, they're useful in so many ways and of course CCP being CCP, removes features without a second thought to how it impacts peoples game play.
Also chand you should make a thread in test server feed back, since this is already on the test server as such. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
512
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:01:00 -
[127] - Quote
bump |
Haiyai Higashi
Feasible Deniability
0
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:33:00 -
[128] - Quote
I support the continued existence of DSP. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:51:00 -
[129] - Quote
Just a free bump to let you all know that CCP SoniClover has basically decided to disregard most of these issues in favor of the new toy they've spent so much time on. Thanks for coming out, no one cares.
Dev Post Here |
Rain Al'Thor
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
2
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:03:00 -
[130] - Quote
+1 I'd be lost without my DSPs :( |
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He dares
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
7
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:18:00 -
[131] - Quote
+1 |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
515
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Posted - 2013.05.14 09:22:00 -
[132] - Quote
bump |
Kitanga
Lowsec Border Marshals
56
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:25:00 -
[133] - Quote
+100000 CCP, do not remove Deep Space Probes.
who runs the show over there at CCP now? some blizzard dev or something? whats up? honestly you currently have an awesome scanning system. no one was complaining. why this 'overhaul'? what sourced this decision to trash a nearly perfect probing system? all we wanted was user defined launch patterns. thats it.
please do not remove DSP from the game.
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Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
22
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:47:00 -
[134] - Quote
Never used them... however. wont the new scanning methods make them a bit useless after odessy?
I may have been told white lies, but are the new sigs that show up to be colour coded? so you know what they are. so tracking changes wont be that difficult. (core scanner probs) and was there not a way to set probe formations to make launching combat probs must faster and economical...? whether this is true i do not know. I vaguely remember someone mentioning it to me or maybe it was an idea.
o7 dringy.
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Alusari Kama
In This Moment
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:48:00 -
[135] - Quote
deep space probes are not only for sites. want to keep em. +1 |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1436
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:41:00 -
[136] - Quote
@OP +1 CCP needs to leave DSP alone.
Dring Dingle wrote: Never used them... however. wont the new scanning methods make them a bit useless after odessy?
I may have been told white lies, but are the new sigs that show up to be colour coded? so you know what they are. so tracking changes wont be that difficult. (core scanner probs) and was there not a way to set probe formations to make launching combat probs must faster and economical...? whether this is true i do not know. I vaguely remember someone mentioning it to me or maybe it was an idea.
o7 dringy.
If by the new methods you mean the overlay, then kind of yes but not really. The overlay shows in space, which causes you to rubberneck around to find them. Also it only shows in space not in solar system map which is where 99% of scanning takes place. They aren't really color coded, other then between Sigs and Anomolies.
Being able to set formations was never possible. Which in all honesty is what they should have done, but instead CCP is setting default completely optimized formations.
Improving NPE |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
391
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:26:00 -
[137] - Quote
Unfortunately it seems CCP doesn't give a crap about this.
Maybe you should all go shoot at a statue, or something ;)
Adapt or die I suppose. |
AntoniusTuranic
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.27 10:34:00 -
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+1 to save Deep Space probes, It's a tool that is being used by both pvp and pve players , people invested time and skills into this, why remove it when it furfills the purpose... |
Janna Windforce
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:20:00 -
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All the effort here will go in vain, but still +1 |
Panzie daPirat
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:24:00 -
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I got a mass email informing me of this post! So here are my 2 cents:
A knee Jerk reaction to any change that affects the status quo is not the way to go about this. Take some time to get the feel of the new system. Devs have worked hard on this conceptually and with the feedback and guidance of the player council, the members of whom you voted for. It deserves your attention, before impulsively responding to the change. Afterall, impulsive whining about CCPs careless implenentation of the grand plan derailed Eve into the 'small changes to everything' response from which we all now feel the the affects. A measured, and considered communication with CCP devs is better than mass hyping a negative attack through emailing everyone to join a forum whinge-athon.
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