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Capt Sephiroth
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:54:00 -
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Well here was the situation we got ourselves in tonight...
We found a corp in a c5 with c1 static, they had a hs hole in their system as well, we used "their" system to travel to hs and they decided to put a bubble on hs hole, we had 1 man left in hs and they didn't want to let him pass and get back, so they anchored a vindi, megathron and gallente logi repper, proteus and some bombers, we gathered what little people we had and decided to come and protect our member, after we jumped to their bubble immediately after they saw they were losing they jumped into hs deciding to stay there for well over 30 mins and still counting... That was the story now comes the question...
After the recent changes to Eve flagging and aggression changes was it possible for us to continue trough the hole and continue the fight on the other side in hs without concord coming and raping us instead of us finishing our ****?
Thank you in advance for the response
Best Regards
Capt
Edit well this is weird, I was allowed to spell raping and when I wrote r.a.p.e that got dotted... |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1362
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Posted - 2013.05.12 20:09:00 -
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No.
WH space is lawless like 0.0. As such the only flags you will ever get are the PVP flag (15min logoff timer) and weapons flag (60 sec cooldown).
The flags necessary to follow them into highsec would be the suspect or ciminal flag. |
ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
110
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Posted - 2013.05.12 20:16:00 -
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Welcome to one of the many **** things about pvp in wormholes, unless you can bump **** off the wormhole there is no point in even trying to fight on a hs hole |
Capt Sephiroth
4
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Posted - 2013.05.12 20:24:00 -
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Thank you for the quick answer and there goes my hope for future encounters on hs holes...
Best regards and good luck finding pvp
Capt |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1362
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Posted - 2013.05.12 20:30:00 -
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The only hope generally is that they don't realize and jump right back in, getting a nice double tap. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1837
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:27:00 -
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HS holes are the best place to test new fits ;) |
lanyaie
832
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:44:00 -
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I should try out my overtanked legion on a hs hole... Hay |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1837
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:04:00 -
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Seriously though, you may not get many kills on a HS hole but you will get great brawling fights. People will almost always engage you because they know they can jump out, you just need to be ok with the win objective being making them jump first rather than a KM.
If you prefer kiting, you can usually pull people off the WH with nanof*g ships and 100mn tengu is great for bumping.
Pro Tip: If you really want that KM, park an alt 30km off the HS side of the hole in a tornado ;) |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
274
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:46:00 -
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If they jump to hisec, bring a bs that everyone can use and close it for them. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
1177
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:02:00 -
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If they're in structure, and you're not in an expensive ship, jump after them and volley them.
You'll get a killmail. CONCORD'll get a killmail. They won't. Delicious tears ensue. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
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Gary Bell
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:19:00 -
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A good fun thing to do is bait them.. With like a pimp fit tanked t2 hauler.. Or bring a highsec alt around and jump something stupid huge in behind them and close the hole.. |
Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:18:00 -
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Spend time on the fore play. If you think you've done enough ground work; Double it and you'll be fine. Make sure it's nice and stable before you go balls deep.
WSpace; Best space. |
Jivlain Pollard
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:06:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:If they're in structure, and you're not in an expensive ship, jump after them and volley them.
You'll get a killmail. CONCORD'll get a killmail. They won't. Delicious tears ensue.
Or if they're just in a flimsy ship, in general. The only time I've suicide ganked someone was a sabre who jumped through a highsec hole to avoid me. A thorax well spent. |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
25
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:49:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
Pro Tip: If you really want that KM, park an alt 30km off the HS side of the hole in a tornado ;)
.. im going to start doing this. the tears will be awsome ...
Hey my tengu made it out in half armor ... haha .. wait wtf .. boom. tear tear tear .. jump through hole collect loots and more tears |
Joan Greywind
I Moan ALOT We Moan ALOT
1
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Posted - 2013.05.14 08:49:00 -
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ok here is another question, can you jump through try to kill him when he has low hp, and jump back before concord arrives?
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Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat
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Posted - 2013.05.14 09:13:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:ok here is another question, can you jump through try to kill him when he has low hp, and jump back before concord arrives?
No Concord stops you from jumping. If you however manage to do that it will be seen as an exploit, as somehow evading concord is considered an exploit.
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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
275
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Posted - 2013.05.14 10:56:00 -
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Watcha gonna do when they come for you? |
Giorgos Rbs
Surfers of the Apocalypse Trueheart Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:12:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:No.
WH space is lawless like 0.0. As such the only flags you will ever get are the PVP flag (15min logoff timer) and weapons flag (60 sec cooldown).
The flags necessary to follow them into highsec would be the suspect or ciminal flag.
Wouldn't it be fun if we somehow got the limited engagement timer on such situations? (cyan flag) |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
1193
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:21:00 -
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Giorgos Rbs wrote:Wouldn't it be fun if we somehow got the limited engagement timer on such situations? (cyan flag) Yes but another special and easily-misspelled color like mauve or taupe. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Goldensaver
ArTech Expeditions
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:51:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Giorgos Rbs wrote:Wouldn't it be fun if we somehow got the limited engagement timer on such situations? (cyan flag) Yes but another special and easily-misspelled color like mauve or taupe. I actually rather like the colour cayenne that usually comes up with limited agression... wait, I spelled that wrong, didn't I?
Edit: my apologies on a bit of a necro. Was reading deeper trying to find some info, and was just opening threads that caught my eye. |
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:00:00 -
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You could always roll the wormhole on them if they aren't gonna come back in. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Angelhunter
Conquering Darkness
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:10:00 -
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Capt Sephiroth wrote:Well here was the situation we got ourselves in tonight... We found a corp in a c5 with c1 static, they had a hs hole in their system as well, we used "their" system to travel to hs and they decided to put a bubble on hs hole, we had 1 man left in hs and they didn't want to let him pass and get back, so they anchored a vindi, megathron and gallente logi repper, proteus and some bombers, we gathered what little people we had and decided to come and protect our member, after we jumped to their bubble immediately after they saw they were losing they jumped into hs deciding to stay there for well over 30 mins and still counting... That was the story now comes the question... After the recent changes to Eve flagging and aggression changes was it possible for us to continue trough the hole and continue the fight on the other side in hs without concord coming and raping us instead of us finishing our ****? Thank you in advance for the response Best Regards Capt Edit well this is weird, I was allowed to spell raping and when I wrote r.a.p.e that got dotted...
LOL that was us you ran into, i was in the Vindi. There was a grand total of 6 of us on that time of day, sorry we weren't going to just let you pass through our hole freely when we were also using that random HS. Also "what little people you had?" You spent nearly an hour forming up 15 people to fight 6 of us.
We saw what was coming, we stayed to try and fight what we could, and yes we jumped into HS. What else were we supposed to do? |
RatKnight1
Conquering Darkness
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:38:00 -
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Angelhunter wrote:Capt Sephiroth wrote:Well here was the situation we got ourselves in tonight... We found a corp in a c5 with c1 static, they had a hs hole in their system as well, we used "their" system to travel to hs and they decided to put a bubble on hs hole, we had 1 man left in hs and they didn't want to let him pass and get back, so they anchored a vindi, megathron and gallente logi repper, proteus and some bombers, we gathered what little people we had and decided to come and protect our member, after we jumped to their bubble immediately after they saw they were losing they jumped into hs deciding to stay there for well over 30 mins and still counting... That was the story now comes the question... After the recent changes to Eve flagging and aggression changes was it possible for us to continue trough the hole and continue the fight on the other side in hs without concord coming and raping us instead of us finishing our ****? Thank you in advance for the response Best Regards Capt Edit well this is weird, I was allowed to spell raping and when I wrote r.a.p.e that got dotted... LOL that was us you ran into, i was in the Vindi. There was a grand total of 6 of us on that time of day, sorry we weren't going to just let you pass through our hole freely when we were also using that random HS. Also "what little people you had?" You spent nearly an hour forming up 15 people to fight 6 of us. We saw what was coming, we stayed to try and fight what we could, and yes we jumped into HS. What else were we supposed to do?
Not to mention our "logi" waited around for so long he was late for work, and you guys waited long enough to form up that we lost people in our fleet to take you on. You wonder why you didn't get anything, you took so long to form up that our scouts saw what you had coming, so we all moved onto the hole.
It was a nice try to try to bait us off though, not very effective though... obvious bait is obvious.
However, to more specifically answer your questions:
1) there are no "suspect" or "criminal" tags in wormholes, just aggression timers. 2) In wormholes, Concord can't hear your screams. 3) It forms up the fleet, or it gets the whip again. 4) out of weird puns...
Basically, the only thing you would have been able to kill on that hole would have been if we had brought in a capital ship. Capital ships cannot jump through to HS.
Basically, the moral of the story is that if you want kills on ships that are off of the HS hole you have to do the following:
1) Not take an hour to form up more than double the ships on a HS hole 2) Not take an hour to form up 15 ships to engage 6 ships on a HS hole 3) Be aware that in wormholes, your enemy likely already knows your fleet comp before you land on your side of the hole. 4) Escalate slowly. If you land with all of your ass at once, typically people are just going to run away (rightly so, no point in throwing away ships if you know what is coming).
basically, I had to leave as soon as that engagement was over.... I drove to work trying to figure out what I was going to tell my boss when I was late (I decided on a flat tire).
Fly safe
Rat |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1256
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:59:00 -
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Wormhole space fleets blue-balled on high sec connection, more at 11. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Fromil
Austudy 10110001100111101000
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:09:00 -
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RatKnight1 wrote:[quote=Angelhunter][quote=Capt Sephiroth]Well here was the situation we got ourselves in tonight... basically, I had to leave as soon as that engagement was over.... I drove to work trying to figure out what I was going to tell my boss when I was late (I decided on a flat tire). Fly safe Rat
I like the flat tyre excuse - the boss can't dispute the excuse because you have an inflated tyre now, because you wouldn't be there at all if it was still flat.. Genius! |
RatKnight1
Conquering Darkness
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:24:00 -
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Fromil wrote:RatKnight1 wrote:[quote=Angelhunter][quote=Capt Sephiroth]Well here was the situation we got ourselves in tonight... basically, I had to leave as soon as that engagement was over.... I drove to work trying to figure out what I was going to tell my boss when I was late (I decided on a flat tire). Fly safe Rat I like the flat tyre excuse - the boss can't dispute the excuse because you have an inflated tyre now, because you wouldn't be there at all if it was still flat.. Genius!
Thank You! my thought process exactly! and when she asked about where the flat was, I was just like "look at these hands, I called AAA, they took the thing." |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1257
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:29:00 -
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Broken cars are so overused as an excuse. I usually just tell my boss I was having sex.
For some strange reason, she always drops the conversation right about then. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
99
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:50:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Broken cars are so overused as an excuse. I usually just tell my boss I was having sex.
For some strange reason, she always drops the conversation right about then.
Excuses, Bosslevel. |
RatKnight1
Conquering Darkness
44
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:02:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Broken cars are so overused as an excuse. I usually just tell my boss I was having sex.
For some strange reason, she always drops the conversation right about then.
you aren't in a relationship with your boss are you?... that might be why she drops it :P |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
182
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:29:00 -
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fighting on hs holes is probably the most garbage type of PvP in wormholes :(
Only way to get a kill is bump someone off and then web/kill them |
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