Why is calibration going to be increased for Navy BSes, but not for Pirate ones?

Hmm, could be because Pirate BS are going to be rebalanced another time. But wait, that's way too obscure isn't it?

Pirate BS have already been rebalanced, at least partially. Hop on the test server and notice that Rattlesnake has 4% resistance bonus per level. AFAIK, Fozzie never claimed any intentions to rebalance them further....but I'm sure you have a link to prove me wrong as I'm just being lazy to search all of his posts.

Would be nice if Amarr ships got the same treatment eh. The navy apoc gets less cap but admittedly with a shorter recharge time still will not help the laser cap issues it WILL have. Also why does the navy geddon have MORE armour than the navy apoc surely by the sense of lets say logic CCP the tier 2 navy battleship should have more HP?

Quoting from the Gallente BS thread since the cap numbers and drain on both megas are the same:





The point is that the increased cap regen doesn't even begin to make up for the increased cap usage of the guns alone. It's bad enough I can lose the ability to dps when neuted, but I can't even keep my own guns firing while using no other mods? At least lasers get unlimited ammo and better range :P.

That's not really a pirate ship rebalance though. That's a resist bonus rebalance.

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Not that i pretend to really understand the way lasers work, but doesn't range for them ALWAYS translate into damage, as you can bring your shorter ranged crystals from further away, there for increasing damage, while maintaining distance?

It does! At mid ranges. At long range u suffer becouse a comparable weapon sytem (rails, arty) will have more dmg (their ships all get dmg bonuses)

The bottom line is: lasers have thier advantages (range, ammo) and disadvantages (tracking, cap use, lower dmg). All other BS ships are designed to compliment their racial weapon system (mega gets tracking and dps, because it fights close, reven gets missile speed and exp velocity becouse it snipes). Apoc not only gets behind becouse it does not have a dmg bouns (other BS do, complementing thier chosen weapon system), but its new bonuses do not compliment each other, making it further fall behing. At least -10 cap use made it a good pve ship and sniper ship (but rearly used). What role does it fill now (i know attack, but how do u want to use it in fleet?):

Mid-range ship, using the excellent optimal of lasers combined with the execellent tracking of lasers on top of the hull bonus to be able to apply full damage across a very wide band of ranges. The Apoc will have a very broad engagement envelope.

Aaaaand less DPS, and worse tracking, and still use significantly more cap/second while only having a slightly better capacitor on the ships... And I'm forced to carry a minimum of multiple millions of isk worth of ammo in my hold no matter what.

I mean, my Omens always carry minimum 5m isk worth of ammo, just bringing 2 sets of crystals. My Executioners over 1m. Don't even get me started on my Oracles and Abaddons.

So because Amarr have cap hungry guns that justifies Gallente having them also?

Gallente have enough cap problems as it is since we have to burn prop mods longer just to be able to use our preferred guns. Not being able to maintain as much cap, not to mention the ineffectiveness this would lead to that utility/neut high slot everyone keep talking about, would make the mega that much less desirable.

I agree, I really do. But the current game mechanics does not promote mid-range fights. There are no such fights. The only mid-range ships I ever saw were nano oracles, talos and tornados. But they can kite, and BS cant. Just asking how many apocs have u encountered in pvp? Me 0.

[quote=dagley]I don't think you get what "tiercide" means. It means "death to tiers".

Strange that You say that, as it feels like the Tiers just have been renamed. there's an Attack Tier, now, and a Combat Tier, and some third Tier whichs name I have forgotten right now... :/

EDIT: Oh wait, it's called roles now isn't it? Tiers are so yesterday... (o_o)

Strange that You say that, as it feels like the Tiers just have been renamed. there's an Attack Tier, now, and a Combat Tier, and some third Tier whichs name I have forgotten right now... :/

EDIT: Oh wait, it's called roles now isn't it? Tiers are so yesterday... (o_o)

Now I don't think you get what "tier" means. It implies a heirarchy.

So which is best out of Attack and Combat?

He has got a point tbh.
Combat >>>> Attack.

Unless the combat battleships where a lot slower, the advantages they have in HP/tank and fittings effectively put them in a higher tier.

On a similar note, does the superior mobility and damage of ABCs effectively make them high-tier ABS, in terms of the attack role at least?

I really do think the navy mega should have a full rack of 8 turrets and no missile points.
8 instead of 7 makes up for how the new reugular megathron has 8 lows. This used to be what allowed the navy-thron to outdamage/active-tank it. now the navythron is barely any different.

So because Amarr have cap hungry guns that justifies Gallente having them also?

Gallente have enough cap problems as it is since we have to burn prop mods longer just to be able to use our preferred guns. Not being able to maintain as much cap, not to mention the ineffectiveness this would lead to that utility/neut high slot everyone keep talking about, would make the mega that much less desirable.

Hey everyone!

We are going to try and complete the Navy ship package for Odyssey by sneaking in these battleships before release!

With the Navy Battleships we are using the same GÇÿtiericideGÇÖ based approach that we have used for all tech 1 rebalancing. Each race will have one GÇÿattackGÇÖ and one GÇÿcombatGÇÖ Navy Battleship, allowing for different applications despite roughly equal power level. The GÇÿstandardGÇÖ upgrade package for Navy BS is an extra slot (along with appropriate fitting adjustment) as well as approximately 50% more hitpoints. Some of these rebalanced versions will follow that pattern very closely, while others will diverge more significantly to completely new bonuses and roles.

Please read above each ship for a more detailed explanation of its design. Look forward to your feedback (which I do read almost all of, even after I stop posting in the thread =)

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GALLENTE

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DOMINIX NAVY ISSUE
Like with the Navy Armageddon, we are going to leave the Navy Domi as a throw-back rather than switching to the new tech 1 bonus. This layout offers many unique and brutal opportunities, and fits the more niche application of a faction ship. By becoming GÇÿcombatGÇÖ rather than GÇÿtier 1GÇÖ it will also gain a significant hitpoint boost.