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Toky Shimaya
Execute inc. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:00:00 -
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Hello,
I started skilling for Destroyers lvl 5 and Battlecruisrers lvl 5 on my alt. Since i dont have enaugh time to skill it up (Got only 20 days until Odyssey and i got 25 days of skilling for BC lvl 5), I was woundering if i skill up Battlecruisers to lvl 4 and a half, would i get more reimbursed SP or the same SP that i would get with lvl 4 only for Battlecruisers? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:05:00 -
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There is NO skill reimbursement!
You will get [racial] battlecruiser at 4 and whatever % complete 5 was for all races where you have [racial] cruiser at 3 or above.
So, let's say that you have Amarr cruiser and Caldari cruiser at 4, no levels in Minmatar or Gallente cruiser and you have Battlecruisers at 4 and trained 75% of the way to 5. After the change you will have Amarr Battlecruiser trained to level 4 and 75% of the way to 5 and Caldari Battlecruiser trained to level 4 and 75% of the way to 5. You will have no levels at all in Minmatar or Gallente Battlecruisers |
Toky Shimaya
Execute inc. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:08:00 -
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I tought if you have cruisers below lvl 3 you would get skill points whitch you can spend on anything you want... |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:08:00 -
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Only if all racial cruisers skills are below 3 and you somehow have levels in Battlecruisers. All, not some.
Quote from the dev blog, emphasis mine
Quote:If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. |
Toky Shimaya
Execute inc. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:22:00 -
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lucky me, i dont have any cruisers eaven on lvl 1 lawl |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:26:00 -
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Then you get back exactly the skill points you have in Battlecruisers (not 4x it), hence you're gaining nothing by training BC now as opposed to training one of the racial BCs later. |
Ruvin
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:41:00 -
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Toky Shimaya wrote:lucky me, i dont have any cruisers eaven on lvl 1 lawl
Thats not lucky you ... But vice versa , while everyone will get "free 6m sp" you will get nothing ...
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |
Toky Shimaya
Execute inc. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:43:00 -
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So you wanna say i dont get the SP i would get for all 4 racial crusers on lvl 4, I will yust get SP eqal to lvl 4 BC skill of 1 race? |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:16:00 -
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Assuming you DO NOT have any cruisers to L3 on 4 June, you will ONLY get back the SP you've sunk into Battlecruisers at this point. That is, something like 1.5 million SP if it's at L5.
Assuming you have AT LEAST ONE cruiser skill to level 3, you get nothing. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Toky Shimaya
Execute inc. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:24:00 -
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So theres basicly no point in training BCs for me, because i will not get any reinbursment :P |
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:47:00 -
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TBH I'm a little baffled as to why anyone in your situation would fail to train cruisers with this change on the horizon. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:03:00 -
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Toky Shimaya wrote:So theres basicly no point in training BCs for me, because i will not get any reinbursment :P
Assuming you have no racial cruiser skills: you will get up to 1.5 million SP into your "unallocated" bucket (i.e. you get the SP reimbursed). This is totally dependent on how many SP you have sunk into the current Battlecruisers skill. 1.5m SP is only attainable if you already have Battlecruisers trained to L5.
Assuming that you have Gallente cruiser skill to L3: you will get Gallente Battlecruisers L4, plus however far you've gotten to L5. YOU WILL NOT get the Caldari, Amarr, or Minmatar Battlecruiser skills.
Assuming all four racial cruiser skills to L3: you will get all four [Racial] Battlecruiser skills to L4, plus however far you've gotten to L5.
In the event that you have the prereqs for the racial Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills to L5, your allocated SP Total will jump up by ~6 million SP. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Marsan
Emergency and I
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:25:00 -
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The obvious answer is train up all the cruisers to lvl 3. This should take you a week or so. Then train up BC to 3 or 4 in the remaining time. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:19:00 -
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I don't understand how so many people are able to completely misunderstand this. There's going to be a whole lot of people come Odyssey who thought they were gaming the system but are actually going to be severely disappointed. |
Mister Tuggles
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:11:00 -
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Toky Shimaya wrote:So you wanna say i dont get the SP i would get for all 4 racial crusers on lvl 4, I will yust get SP eqal to lvl 4 BC skill of 1 race?
Skill your cruisers all to level 3. This will make sure you at LEAST get BC training that you currently have for the cruisers.
Guess people should have listened months ago when a dev said to start training BC 5/Destroyer 5.... Hell, I did it during a full CHA remap. |
Marsan
Emergency and I
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:57:00 -
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What CCP should not have done was call it reimbursment that confuses the heck out of a lot of people. They hear reimbursment and think skill points. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.05.17 00:39:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:[quote=Toky Shimaya] Guess people should have listened months ago when a dev said to start training BC 5/Destroyer 5.... Hell, I did it during a full CHA remap.
Actually, the first time this redoing the BC/Dessi skills was mentioned over a year ago... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:38:00 -
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RE: Why train BC without any cruisers to 3: Some people may value the unallocated SP. Its pretty handy to have when you want to crash train something later. If you happen to be remapped for BC training, you would also come away with extra SP over just training a skill that benefits less from your remapping. Both edge cases, but there may be a reason to do it. |
Ruvin
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:37:00 -
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getting SP back for something youl will get eventually sooner or later anyway in is pointless ... Even my trading alt has Dessies and BC's to get standing while doing security missions .
As for having 1 single skill getting multiplied by 4 , so you wont need to train 4 skills after but only 1 now , thats a win win situation ....
p.s i still cant forgive myself for not doing it with BS years ago :/ Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |
Hesod Adee
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:12:00 -
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Marsan wrote:What CCP should not have done was call it reimbursment that confuses the heck out of a lot of people. They hear reimbursment and think skill points. It only confuses the people who skim the blog post instead of reading it fully.
Especially the people who read what some third party is saying about the blog post and think that they are smart enough to game the system. While not being smart enough to read the original source for the information they are using. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.05.20 08:53:00 -
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Im very annoyed that Ill be forced to have Amarr battlecruisers and destroyers in my skill tree. This is wrong. Its like forcing a republican to have own a Koran. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.20 12:05:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Im very annoyed that Ill be forced to have Amarr battlecruisers and destroyers in my skill tree. This is wrong. Its like forcing a republican to have own a Koran.
You're the one that trained Amarr Frigate and Amarr Cruiser. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
KardelSharpeye
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.20 12:25:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:I don't understand how so many people are able to completely misunderstand this. There's going to be a whole lot of people come Odyssey who thought they were gaming the system but are actually going to be severely disappointed. Go increased clone costs for doing the same thing! Yeah we totally screwed CCP on this one! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:11:00 -
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KardelSharpeye wrote:Chris Winter wrote:I don't understand how so many people are able to completely misunderstand this. There's going to be a whole lot of people come Odyssey who thought they were gaming the system but are actually going to be severely disappointed. Go increased clone costs for doing the same thing! Yeah we totally screwed CCP on this one! Actually clone costs are being reduced by 30% across the board.
CCP Rise wrote:Basically, for Odyssey we are lowering the cost of clone upgrades across the board by 30%. This is meant as the first increment on a more thorough iteration on the clone system. Our hope is that through this first step we will be able to establish what (if any) effect clone prices have on player behavior. If you have any feedback related to the clone system (especially in terms of how it affects your play-style) we would love to hear from you. I'm sure image links are usually not ideal for dev posts, but it is the middle of the night, so here is a screen shot of the new clone prices proposed for Odyssey: CLONESYours, CCP Rise
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Majindoom Shi
We the Gankers
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:10:00 -
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I find this funny lol. O look at all these suckers who trained racial cruiser with bc to 5 and dessi to 5. They will be stuck with those ship skills and get nothing I will get refunded millions of SP muhahaha lucky me. Oh wait what? I gain Nothing? I just wasted my time thinking I was going to juke the system and get free sp ? LOL people are idiots. This has been talked about over and over again. Wonder how many people missed out on the command ship thing also.
all 3 of my characters have them all I know that 8) |
Ireland VonVicious
Vendetta Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:15:00 -
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Gimme, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.
Command ships should be L1 (( Might as well take it to L3 ))
Battlecruiser L5
Destroyer L5
All racial cruisers L3.
All racial frigates L4.
Get your Freighter done now or require more sp later as well.
Weather more sp or less sp cost later for skills........
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!
Make sure you know the changes for the cap ships too. Some people will need more sp later to enter them but some will need less depending on what skills you currently have.
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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:09:00 -
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Why does CCP want to make it more difficult for new players to be able to compete against people in a game that is obviously suffering in the pay to play mmorpg market thats dying, free to play is obviously the future of gaming, and CCP is just discouraging new players by making the game more restrictive on gameplay style choices they can make. Locking someone into one race and one set of ships doesn't make sense at all in a sandbox mmorpg that's been allowing people to focus on what they want to do for 10 years. When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:41:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Why does CCP want to make it more difficult for new players to be able to compete against people in a game that is obviously suffering in the pay to play mmorpg market thats dying, free to play is obviously the future of gaming, and CCP is just discouraging new players by making the game more restrictive on gameplay style choices they can make. Locking someone into one race and one set of ships doesn't make sense at all in a sandbox mmorpg that's been allowing people to focus on what they want to do for 10 years.
While I don't disagree, I do feel obligated to point out that this change will also make it easier to move up through the ranks of ships from frigate up to capitals. So there's that. I rather think it's a shame that we've lost BCs as a logical crosstraining point for new players; I saw huge inherent value in that.
More to the point? You missed your window to complain about this. By over a year. So get thee to a time machine and complain back when it would have mattered. |
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