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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:57:00 -
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As some of you have seen on our test server Singularity, the option to train alts on the same account for PLEX is being implemented. To further explain the details of this sought after function, CCP Quant and CCP Ytterbium have written a new dev blog which we invite you to feast your eyes on.
And of course we eagerly await your feedback and questions as always. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:20:00 -
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Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.
This is a HUGE task. Really big emphasis on how difficult this is. Not comparable in scope to what we had to do for this feature.
xttz wrote:Will you use this opportunity to make single character training a bit more usable?
Let's say I want to train a very short skill (a few hours) on an alt character that isn't worth a plex. Currently we have to:
1) Log out 2) Log in the character currently training and pause it. 3) Log out again 4) Log back into the character you want to train temporarily and start the skill.
Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?
It's funny because we were just discussing how the technical changes implemented to allow for this feature would also allow for pausing a character you are not logged into. Not likely to make it for Odyssey but certainly something we will consider for the future. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:34:00 -
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Anathema Matou wrote:This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents , i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option.
There is an additional modal window which will require confirmation. If not these two, then there will be another two options next to each other. We discussed this internally but hopefully the modal confirmation window is enough to prevent mistakes?
Kip Troger wrote:What happens if you have an alt that currently is dual training along side your main and you sell that alt on the character bazzarre and transfer it to another account?
Is the 30 days basically just a bank that you can use whenever, and you can use it or save it as needed, or is it constantly running as a use or lose?
The time runs like subscription time, it does not pause if you have no two characters in training.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:35:00 -
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Moraguth wrote:First off, this is one of the biggest changes to overall eve philosophy since the skill queue (and I've been here since beta). Second, I probably won't be using this feature, but if I ever do, there's one thing I'd like to be able to see.
You said the time remaining would be visible from the account management screen. I'd like to see that information available in game. From any of your characters. At any time.
Last, I have a question. Can you activate that secondary training a second time so that you could have all 3 characters on your account training at the same time? (spend two PLEX, of course)
This is limited to 2 characters at the moment. We will monitor this and can make adjustments in the future. We have to monitor what impact this might have on the PLEX market, etc.
We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game. At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:37:00 -
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DmitryEKT wrote:Will we have triple training as an option too?
Max Kolonko wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE
always wanted to post it for a CCP dev blog. Now I finally have a chance :)
speaking of which: why cant we use money to pay for dual training and only plex?
This is a start of an experiment so to say, if it turns out to be successful then adding triple slots or alternative payment options might become available. All depending on your feedback of course.
Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.
One idea would be for users to have a single account where you would buy characters slots and pilot licenses, much like how it is in World of Tanks. Imagine all your alts under one account, one API to rule them all... But this is just me daydreaming, hopefully one day we'll get there.
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:58:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:
We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game.
Why not? CCP RubberBAND wrote: At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Well, that time should be shown too. Why not? And the players would not see it "all the time", just when their character sheet is open. Even then they would not see a time ticking down, just the expiration date and time.
I'll bring this up with the team again, since a few people are asking about this in the thread, but it's basically to do with verisimilitude or what things belong/fit in game and what things belong/fit in account management pages. So far with the exception of PLEX, there is little in game which references account management and that's intentional.
Showing things which are removed from the EVE universe in gameplay or narrative terms is something we have tried to avoid, but like I said we will discuss this and see if the PLEX section or character sheet is the right place to potentially show timers like this. There are a number of different views within the team itself, so that's one of the reasons we have held off on a timer of some kind.
Feedback like this is great though as it helps us know what you guys wants.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:28:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:1. This seems to be only usable with plex, will i not be able to use this with the Icelandic game time cards?
2. So you're doing this, COULD YOU PLEASE ADD A SWITCH CHARACTER OPTION??? =< Bumping my question <.<
1. As far as i know you can turn the game time cards into PLEX, hence you can so to speak use them for this
2. Yes this annoys a lot of us doesn't it :) some day... some day
Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:PLEX is fairly expensive compared to purchasing a 12-month subscription. Are there plans to allow someone to, for example, pay double the 12-month subscription cost, and thus enable dual-character training for 12 months? The same question applies for the 6-month and 3-month discounted costs. (I realize most people would rather just open a second account, and thus have 6 toons.)
That might be an option in the future if this works out fine. We decided to start with this and see where it takes us, but to be clear there are no immediate plans on going further with this.
Alx Warlord wrote:
The next big step would be allowing to merge all counts, with one Api, one login... I thing we all share this dream!
Fly Safe o/
I couldn't agree more
And finally, to the few (some obvious trolls ) complaining about CCP being greedy with this feature:
We are not removing or replacing existing methods. Of course there are scenarios where it would be cheaper to sign up for a new account but then by all means take the cheapest path, we are simply giving you, our beloved users, an alternate way of training alts. |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:56:00 -
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JediRobin wrote: Will this new feature of 1 plex allow training alt 2 for 1/2 month then pause alt 2, and continue training alt 3 for the other 1/2 month..?????
Yes |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.05.17 00:00:00 -
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Topic locked temporarily for some cleaning and dusting. ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:09:00 -
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destinationunreachable wrote:
Well holy **** Thanks for digging this up, I'll send this around the house |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:46:00 -
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Danyrd wrote:Twikki wrote:Some interesting posts here. I will apologise in advance if i repeat anything that has been prevouisly said. These forums just send my eyes all funky. Ok Duel Character Training, its a great thing About Time. However, it is too expensive! You are paying over the odds for a character you can use at the same time. I have however, used it twice. And i now realise it would have been cheaper to create a new account train the character to how i want him, then transfer him. I agree with a previous post it should be free! The above is not going to happen. So there should be a cheaper option. For example, 1 plex will allow 60 days off duel character training or even 90. (i prefer the 90 day option myself ) After all you cant use both characters at the same time, and CCP will still make there money. Proberly more to be fair as more people would use this service. Just my 2 pennies worth It is a shame 1, Devs pretty much stop monitoring threads after the 1st page of replies. So the good suggestions and ideas remain just that, suggestions and ideas. 2., That it really doesn't matter what the paying customer thinks. The thinking seems to revolve around short term high gain, rather than long term gain but at a slightly lower rate. $20 / 550+mil isk for 30 days training is not really something the average player will be using more than once or twice, due to cost. Twikki's suggestion of 60 or 90 days would in fact probably see the use of dual character training taken up by a lot more.
We love getting feedback and you guys have already pointed out some really good improvements to the current implementation. I assure you the lack of feedback from us here has more to do with the summer vacation period than anything else Rest assured, there will be iterations on this feature in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later. |
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