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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:36:00 -
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Verlaine Glariant wrote:Suddenly the "Logout to Character Selection Screen" turns even more needed than before.
I've been 7 years waiting for it. And counting...
See my Idea in my sig...throw some support behind it if your like it  My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Arelorn
Daader-Gost Mining Academy
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:39:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Haedris Gost wrote:After reading the blog, I have this to comment;
Right now people running two clients on the same computer have to (ALT+TAB) to go to the second client - logged into a separate account - (the second instance of the eve game running in the background) to perform any actions with the second character, but they are both capable of doing things with each other at the same time,
First off who says people do this. You might but not all. If you use multiple clients & don't put each client in window mode, then you are doing it wrong. I have 4 monitors for my clients, so each monitor has its own client in window mode for it. I never ever, ever had to use (Alt+tab).
okaaaay, and for those of us who have only one monitor, how would you suggest they see another client that is running in the background??
(You're picking nits, and you completely missed the point that the second training character has no advantage of being able to interact and coordinate with the first character in the account - stay on topic please.) |

Arelorn
Daader-Gost Mining Academy
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:23:00 -
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Katana Seiko wrote:There's one feature that no one seems to really ask for.. If you have space in your queue, why not allow the other char to fill some space? Say 19 hours free. Add 9 hours with your second char, fill the rest with your char's 90 days freighter 5 skill.. Should not be THAT hard - or is it?
It's definitely an idea worth repeating until someone clues into the fact that it's cheaper than buying a non-functional alt with it's head stuck full of skills in the loo.
"Hey! Help me mine this asteroid!" "No." "Why not? You trained up on exhumers." "I can't." "Why?" "Because CCP nailed my ass to the can while I study. I can't go anywhere while I'm training." "Sounds like you got detention, not a present." "Can you hand me another PLEX? I'm about to run out of actual game time." "No, I gave what I had left to you for training." "So now when we run out we get what?" "Nothing, you have to wait until I get another month paid before you can resume training." "What??" "Yeah, sucks huh? Want to help me mine?" "I can't...."
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Raven Smog
New Eden Big Lotto
0
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:39:00 -
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This feature could have been more useful and a bigger cash cow if it allowed you to train a second skill on your main even if it had a small penalty.
Currently I would rather use a second account and if i play both when i am online and both are making money or helping me clear missions fast or one mines and the other is doing pvp i guarantee i could make enough isk using that second character to more then cover the transfer fee if i decided to quit training that character.
I won't be using it because it's a useless feature. a alt account that ca't logon and double your profits. |

Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
152
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:17:00 -
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This new multi training is awesome!!!
I have a new niche character - and they need to get good at one thing :P - Just one thing. One thing and some minimal fitting skills. And they are now getting good at that one thing!!!!
Thanks for the feature - I will be enjoying my Alt soon :)
Wickid! |

Mournful Conciousness
Special Situations TOHA Conglomerate
85
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:09:00 -
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I think I would consider using it if a plex bought me 2 months of alt training. As it stands, it seems like poor value to me because it's the same cost as funding 2 accounts, but with half the utility (I can only use one of the characters at once).
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William Sedgwick Vyvorant
Why Mine
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:33:00 -
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Personally, I like it, I've got my main who has the queue almost all the time and my alt only rarely gets it (i.e when I go to a clean clone for going into Null etc.) so the ability to buy a plex from the market and get my alt 30 days of skill queue time to make him a better miner, salvager and hauler is great, heck I may even let him use T2 drones if there's time left over.
If you want to train a character long term then use Power of Two then pay/plex the account until you're done once it expires then move it to a spare slot on another account if you want. For short train alts like Miners, PI, haulers or cynos then this is a great feature.
Good job CCP |

Susitna
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:01:00 -
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I like the idea. However, I will not use it by buying a plex. I would use it today if I could just by it at the same rate as a subscrition. . |

Dargen Heluene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:32:00 -
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I did a quick search and was not able to find any information in this thread on one detail: When you activate Dual Training, does your 30 days end at the same time of day that you started it, or does it end at the next server downtime? |

Eric Agerwal
Cryosoft
16
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:27:00 -
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Dual account is a nice addition - but like other suggest - why not allow 1 PLEX per alt - so if I want to spend 3 PLEX in a month on an account let it happen. Also it would be nice to see an in game system channel called account- like local/region/constallation that gives notifications of either skill queue inactive - or skill queue ends in an hour for any alts on the account. This way if you are training alts up for R&D, Industry etc you can relog and tweak queue.. Since there are no visual cues as things stand we need this. |
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
171
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:37:00 -
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I am currently taking advantage of this Dual Character training feature. For years, I have had two empty slots on this account because it was my main & could never get myself to stop training it.
I bought a plex and started dual training, just finished my first cyno alt in 12 days, starting on my second cyno alt for 12 days. The week I have left after second cyno alt is trained, I will train each alt a few days in something that matters.
I will then be done, will not have to buy another plex. I will have two useful cyno alts for my cap pilots on other accounts.
The upside is never had to stop training on my main, didn't have to train cyno alts on another account & then waste four plexes to transfer both alts to this account. So, net saved is 3 plexes & no time lost on main (me).
Awesome feature that was needed for a long time, thanks CCP. R.I.P. Vile Rat |

Tsopanaa
Surfers of the Apocalypse Trueheart Legion
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:54:00 -
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Where is the remaining time of the Dual Character displayed?I cant find it in account management |

Dargen Heluene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.29 14:36:00 -
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Tsopanaa wrote:Where is the remaining time of the Dual Character displayed?I cant find it in account management 
Yes, this is something I want as well. The only thing the Account page tells you is when you can add another plex for additional training, but it does not tell you how long your current dual training will last. |

Tsopanaa
Surfers of the Apocalypse Trueheart Legion
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 14:58:00 -
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Dargen Heluene wrote:Tsopanaa wrote:Where is the remaining time of the Dual Character displayed?I cant find it in account management  Yes, this is something I want as well. The only thing the Account page tells you is when you can add another plex for additional training, but it does not tell you how long your current dual training will last.
The problem is worse .You get the message about the remaining days for re-activation until the last week.After that this info is not even available. Transaction History shows nothing about a plex activated for dual training ,at least i could see when i activated the plex and what time and add 30 days. I hope the SP i trained in these 30 days on my alt will remain and not vanish since there is no proof of the activation of the dual character training aka "our logs show nothing" etc etc  |

Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
69
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Posted - 2013.06.30 15:09:00 -
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Yeah, that is really annoying. There should be at least a trace to find out how long that option is still active. Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL Shadoo > (ie. cyno) |

Taram Caldar
Asteria Imperative Tribal Band
23
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:46:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:I think I would consider using it if a plex bought me 2 months of alt training. As it stands, it seems like poor value to me because it's the same cost as funding 2 accounts, but with half the utility (I can only use one of the characters at once).
Technically it's a 'higher' cost than running 2 accounts since, as you said, you have no functionality on the plexed character other than training while a 2nd account can be fully accessed, played, used, etc. Not to mention the one training uses it's plexed time whether it's actually training or not. Doesn't benefit from 'power of two' deals or 'buddy code' deals, etc.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.-á He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." |

Ole Volan
Xeno's Casino
2
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:00:00 -
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The last line on CCP Quant's Devblog, "Dual Character Training", dated May 15th. says, Quote:"For improved visibility, please note that activated and remaining Dual Character Training time may be seen at any time in the Account Management page."
This is not the case!
If your character has over 7 days of dual char training left, then you get a date when you can add another 30 days. Add 7 days to that and you can figure out you expiration date.
But if you have less than 7 days left, there is no reference as to when your dual char training expires.
And this is when you need this information the most!!
I don't care where this information is shared. The account management page is fine. That is where you promised it was going to be.
But this critical information is not displayed anywhere. NOT ANYWHERE!
Is this an oversight? Or do you want our skill plans to fail so we are forced to buy another plex? |

Dargen Heluene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:49:00 -
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Well, my 30 days of training ended. It seems that the training ends at exactly 720 hours. So I guess it is possible to keep track of when the training will end, if you remember the exact time that you started it, but it still makes sense to have that date and time listed in some way. |

Twikki
The Rusty Muskets Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:18:00 -
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Some interesting posts here. I will apologise in advance if i repeat anything that has been prevouisly said. These forums just send my eyes all funky.
Ok Duel Character Training, its a great thing About Time.
However, it is too expensive! You are paying over the odds for a character you can use at the same time.
I have however, used it twice. And i now realise it would have been cheaper to create a new account train the character to how i want him, then transfer him.
I agree with a previous post it should be free!
The above is not going to happen. So there should be a cheaper option.
For example, 1 plex will allow 60 days off duel character training or even 90. (i prefer the 90 day option myself )
After all you cant use both characters at the same time, and CCP will still make there money. Proberly more to be fair as more people would use this service.
Just my 2 pennies worth |

Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
536
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:04:00 -
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This is ridiculous, I want to know how many days I have left and this information is not available anywhere. Not in the character sheet, not in Account Management, not in Evemon (so probably not available via API).
I cannot even calculate if from purchase date because it is not listed in the account transaction history! Although other payments via PLEX are listed there. . |
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Danyrd
Capsuleer Outfitters Easily Excited
0
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Posted - 2013.07.31 11:29:00 -
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Twikki wrote:Some interesting posts here. I will apologise in advance if i repeat anything that has been prevouisly said. These forums just send my eyes all funky. Ok Duel Character Training, its a great thing About Time. However, it is too expensive! You are paying over the odds for a character you can use at the same time. I have however, used it twice. And i now realise it would have been cheaper to create a new account train the character to how i want him, then transfer him.  I agree with a previous post it should be free!  The above is not going to happen. So there should be a cheaper option. For example, 1 plex will allow 60 days off duel character training or even 90. (i prefer the 90 day option myself  ) After all you cant use both characters at the same time, and CCP will still make there money. Proberly more to be fair as more people would use this service. Just my 2 pennies worth It is a shame 1, Devs pretty much stop monitoring threads after the 1st page of replies. So the good suggestions and ideas remain just that, suggestions and ideas. 2., That it really doesn't matter what the paying customer thinks. The thinking seems to revolve around short term high gain, rather than long term gain but at a slightly lower rate. $20 / 550+mil isk for 30 days training is not really something the average player will be using more than once or twice, due to cost. Twikki's suggestion of 60 or 90 days would in fact probably see the use of dual character training taken up by a lot more.
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
33

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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:46:00 -
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Danyrd wrote:Twikki wrote:Some interesting posts here. I will apologise in advance if i repeat anything that has been prevouisly said. These forums just send my eyes all funky. Ok Duel Character Training, its a great thing About Time. However, it is too expensive! You are paying over the odds for a character you can use at the same time. I have however, used it twice. And i now realise it would have been cheaper to create a new account train the character to how i want him, then transfer him.  I agree with a previous post it should be free!  The above is not going to happen. So there should be a cheaper option. For example, 1 plex will allow 60 days off duel character training or even 90. (i prefer the 90 day option myself  ) After all you cant use both characters at the same time, and CCP will still make there money. Proberly more to be fair as more people would use this service. Just my 2 pennies worth It is a shame 1, Devs pretty much stop monitoring threads after the 1st page of replies. So the good suggestions and ideas remain just that, suggestions and ideas. 2., That it really doesn't matter what the paying customer thinks. The thinking seems to revolve around short term high gain, rather than long term gain but at a slightly lower rate. $20 / 550+mil isk for 30 days training is not really something the average player will be using more than once or twice, due to cost. Twikki's suggestion of 60 or 90 days would in fact probably see the use of dual character training taken up by a lot more.
We love getting feedback and you guys have already pointed out some really good improvements to the current implementation. I assure you the lack of feedback from us here has more to do with the summer vacation period than anything else Rest assured, there will be iterations on this feature in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later. |
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
96
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:03:00 -
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CCP Quant wrote:We love getting feedback and you guys have already pointed out some really good improvements to the current implementation. I assure you the lack of feedback from us here has more to do with the summer vacation period than anything else  Rest assured, there will be iterations on this feature in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later.
This post contained no information or actual feedback whatsoever.
Specifically which comments have you taken in to account, and exactly what iterations will you be making, and where are they on the development plan?
Please don't insult your players with politician-like waffle. It damages the relationship between me (us) and you.
Thanks in advance.
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
119
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:16:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:CCP Quant wrote:We love getting feedback and you guys have already pointed out some really good improvements to the current implementation. I assure you the lack of feedback from us here has more to do with the summer vacation period than anything else  Rest assured, there will be iterations on this feature in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later. This post contained no information or actual feedback whatsoever. Specifically which comments have you taken in to account, and exactly what iterations will you be making, and where are they on the development plan? Please don't insult your players with politician-like waffle. It damages the relationship between me (us) and you. Thanks in advance.
Waffles, you need more, with blueberry syrup and sugar and stuff.
He did not give you an answer, he is bad.
Half of CCP on vacation, they are still looking at it, he felt compelled to actually instigate a reply to this thread, and he let ya know there is a "iteration" incoming "though when a person says "Hopefully", it probably means "pipe dream".
Good enough answer for the moment. We would like to know what there thinking, they aren't prepared to say so yet, and thats because the moment they do, expect a threadnaught (good or bad), to follow it.
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Sarmatiko
1336
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:02:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Specifically which comments have you taken in to account, and exactly what iterations will you be making, and where are they on the development plan?
What they should respond to generic feedback like "whaaaa, CCP, I cant afford Dual Training and this is some strong evidence that no one else can afford it! So make it free or super cheap because I'm very important"? If you looking for reasoning behind necessity of dual-training - then you don't know what you want and shouldn't use this feature. If you know why you really need dual-training alt on single account- then you will pay the current price without any doubt. -¥ |

Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
96
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:03:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Specifically which comments have you taken in to account, and exactly what iterations will you be making, and where are they on the development plan?
What they should respond to generic feedback like "whaaaa, CCP, I cant afford Dual Training and this is some strong evidence that no one else can afford it! So make it free or super cheap because I'm very important"? If you looking for reasoning behind necessity of dual-training - then you don't know what you want and shouldn't use this feature. If you know why you really need dual-training alt on single account- then you will pay the current price without any doubt. Mournful Conciousness wrote:I think I would consider using it if a plex bought me 2 months of alt training. Why only two months for one plex? Let's ask four months per plex and wait for CCP response to this "great" suggestion \o/
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Akira Codolle
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.08.17 15:08:00 -
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Can we get a timer to tell us how much time we have left on our dual character training? It's all nice and dandy that you know when you're within 7 days.. but that's not very useful when you're trying to plan a proper skill queue. |

Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.08.26 21:25:00 -
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Today evening I check evemon to see what's the situation on my skills and mails on my accounts and strange thing happen ; there's characters missing their training, but evemon don't say anything. I log to search and answer, and realize I don't have dual account anymore. I had to search my wallet entry to check which date I bough a PLEX for that to know it was not an error...
Seriously, can't you add a notification or something to let us know when dual training is about to wear off?! |

Izzie Epic
Lacuna Cercops Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:33:00 -
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seriously, why can't we see our balance of remaining training time (a resource we paid for)?
unless it's published somewhere i can't find... however, SO many other people can't find it. if there was a clever person out there i'd hope they would have shared the answer before 15 pages of "wtf is my balance"
i hope your vacations were nice, because we would really like you to get to work, and allow us manage our training.
i can't think of any reason to do this besides 'lazy.' this is speculation, true. what else are we left to do w/o more information? help us out!
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Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
636
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Posted - 2013.09.16 19:35:00 -
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Izzie Epic wrote: seriously, why can't we see our balance of remaining training time (a resource we paid for)?
unless it's published somewhere i can't find... however, SO many other people can't find it. if there was a clever person out there i'd hope they would have shared the answer before 15 pages of "wtf is my balance"
i hope your vacations were nice, because we would really like you to get to work, and allow us manage our training.
i can't think of any reason to do this besides 'lazy.' this is speculation, true. what else are we left to do w/o more information? help us out!
Yeah, why would you NOT put some sort of timer in there?
This is really a PITA atm. |
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