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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:37:00 -
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Finally something that improves eve not nerfing caldari all the time like Fozzie does. Go Guard(or who worked on it) and take Fozzies pay you deserve it more.
I would have loved this dual training implemented years ago,currently i already have my alts :P |
Hairpins Blueprint
Dark Intruders Command Apocalypse Now.
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:38:00 -
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Sure this is nice .... bout whot will happen with plex price : (( it will rise up to 700m after this -_-''
i call it a JESUS Feature : | |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:39:00 -
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Giribaldi wrote:Dear CCP, I like the idea however id like to ask that u allow us 2 ability to either take advtange of this DUAL training and let us dual TRAIN 1 toon.. What i mean is Activate dual train and activate 2 skill trains at once on one toon on that single acount. Yes i know the coding on this is very VERY complex and will unlikly come this patch.. BUT please see to it that we get it later on? Cus TBH i have 6 acount's and this is in know way diffrent from having a second acount MINUS i cant log into all my toons in 1 acount... and a plex costs more.... SO as a valued Customer of CCP please dont SEED this USELESS idea... because in all honesty just get urself a 2nd acount or 7th in my case save the 5 bucks (diffrence from 1 plex versus 1 month sub) or 38 bucks (1 year sub) like i do... its in essence the same exact thing with the draw back of i cant use the 2nd character in training... the only way this is good is to train research alts(takes like 34 day's and isnt really worth another acount.... or something along those lines.... If peopel are smart they would buddy invite themself thsu gaining a plex for free and get 21+30 days of game time on one acoutn for the price of 0 dollars (with use of 500m for plex) very easy LOOP hole if u will... (might wanna al;so look into getting rid of said loop hole (AKA gettign around the acount creation fee of 4.95 or w.e it is [1 time fee]) Looking forward to the REPLY CCP... (ALSO I AGREE WITH CRHIBBA!!! HES MA BUDDY!!) Also plex should beconvertable into free allocatable sp... NOPE |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:My main issue is cost. A plex is 20 bucks. To add a "bonus" is a 125% increase in the account cost for a temporary "feature". It's a 33% increase, not a 125% increase, and they're probably using PLEX because it's easier to implement for an experimental feature that we have no guarantee will continue to be offered in the long term. I'm sure they'll consider allowing you to buy it directly through account management eventually, but for now, this is probably aimed at those of us who already buy PLEX in-game to pay for our accounts.
If I got this wrong on my napkin math forgive me.
Monthly subscription 14.99 To enable dual character, you have to plex it. A plex is 20 a month 15+20, 35 dollars a month.
Its over double the amount just to enable a feature. |
Lucian Thorundan
House Of Serenity. Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:08:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:
Monthly subscription 14.99 To enable dual character, you have to plex it. A plex is 20 a month 15+20, 35 dollars a month.
Its over double the amount just to enable a feature.
Yes its more, BUT you have to remember a few things:
1. This feature cost money to make. CCP dev time, QA time, design time etc. 2. You do get the gain of still using said alt after you stop paying this, unlike a second account. 3. You dont have to use it.
I personally run multiple accounts, some of which are so i can dual box and some of which are so i can train alts, i personally will continue to use both of these features and am extremely happy to see it coming in.
Also, the CCP dev's have said a few times in here that they will look at alternative payment etc if it gets used and we request it, as for now its a "trial" system using PLEX only.
Multiple applications of PLEX to stack the "training credit" will also come in with time if its used.
On the topic, somebody else asked here, how will the API represent the dual training accounts, time left etc? I'm keen to understand how that will be reflected. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7887
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:52:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:If I got this wrong on my napkin math forgive me.
Monthly subscription 14.99 To enable dual character, you have to plex it. A plex is 20 a month 15+20, 35 dollars a month.
Its over double the amount just to enable a feature.
Yes, it requires a PLEX because it's an experimental feature and that may change in the future. If they do eventually allow you to pay for it in the account management section without a PLEX then I doubt it'll cost $20. Same way a character transfer costs $20 if you pay for it in cash and 2 PLEX if you opt to use PLEX.
Also nobody pays $20 for PLEX they usually buy packages of 2 or more which brings the price down to $17.50 mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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blue dehazon
Allice AVATAR Corporation RB Mining
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:55:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:As some of you have seen on our test server Singularity, the option to train alts on the same account for PLEX is being implemented. To further explain the details of this sought after function, CCP Quant and CCP Ytterbium have written a new dev blog which we invite you to feast your eyes on. And of course we eagerly await your feedback and questions as always.
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Alexader Dark
The Band of Brothers
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:02:00 -
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Let's see. I do not have an Alt Toon, But if I did. I could Pay twice to train 2 Toons on 1 account and only be able to play 1 at any given times, or train 2 Toons on 2 accounts for the same price and be able to play 2 Toons at the same time.
This is a HARD decission, NOT! |
Countess Kari
Disciples Of Rebellion
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:22:00 -
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If I remember correctly, when Eve first came out we were able to train all our toons at the same time anyways. Then they stopped it for some reason. I know I was not happy about having to pay to activate another account, but hey, players let it happen. It is still cheaper to run two accounts, you can play them at the same time and make use of them |
Sandgeist
Die Weltenbauer New Eden Industrie Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:36:00 -
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We have payed for the game. For a Game with 3 Charackterslots. And now we have to pay again if we want to train a 2nd Char simultaneously. ?!
Rly ccp. Dont do this. Give the simultaneously train for free. Or make it like this: We activate 1 more simultaneously training bar with one plex for ever. But not every month 1 plex for 1 char to train. Thats to hard in pay to win direction.... |
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Adkira
Die Weltenbauer New Eden Industrie Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:41:00 -
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Sandgeist wrote:We have payed for the game. For a Game with 3 Charackterslots. And now we have to pay again if we want to train a 2nd Char simultaneously. ?!
Rly ccp. Dont do this. Give the simultaneously train for free. Or make it like this: We activate 1 more simultaneously training bar with one plex for ever. But not every month 1 plex for 1 char to train. Thats to hard in pay to win direction....
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Tommy Nash
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:22:00 -
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I find this feature really useful for toons you only want to use for very specific stuff and you only want to train for limited skills. i.e. Trader toons, Research toons and hi-sec haulers. For other porpouse, its better to have an extra account.
Only problem I see is that PLEX prices are going to rise. Dual character training + Power of 2 + Tournament = 600mill PLEX or higher = More people paying monthly suscription or buying PLEX to CCP. Smart move CCP. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1768
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:06:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote: *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Right. Sorry - Didn't think I'd quite crossed that particular line, but I'll note the warning and be more careful.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1768
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:13:00 -
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DeODokktor wrote:
And for those of you wanting to do this for a whole year... Buy a second account!..
There you have it - you've found the core point: This is a short term convenience, not a full-up year-round program. Once or twice a year - maybe three times - it makes good sense. Used much more than that, just go ahead and get a second account. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
742
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:03:00 -
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"Stands up"
Bravo CCP !!
*applauds*
Your route to excellence is shorter by a long distance.
Thank you very much for listening your community and offering the so important "planning choices" players have to do. This will help a lot of players and as you rightfully stated, it's a very good compromise for players as for the company it self.
Once again, bravo! *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
156
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:24:00 -
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Drachiel wrote:[quote=No Alibi] Dual training
$19.95 per month Cannot use both characters at once
Second Account
$15 per month Can use both characters at once
Not only is a second account cheaper, it's also outright better.
45 days would, IMO make up for the higher $$$ cost and inability to dual box.
Don't get me wrong here, I love having two accounts to alt tab between but I don't find much benefits from more than two since my system gets sluggish and there is rarely a reason why I would have both my accounts idle. Plus I prefer spending 2 PLEX a month for my 6 characters over 6 PLEX a month for six accounts.
My accounts have 3 characters that I use and if I want to train one of my alts for a month my options are to either pause my main, or to start a new account (1 PLEX) transfer my alt (2 PLEX) for a total of 3 PLEX and an additional PLEX a month every month or transfer it back after a month (2 PLEX) for a total of 5 PLEX! I prefer just paying 1 PLEX to add an additional 1-2m SP to my preexisting alts which occurs especially when new skills or ships are introduced.
This feature isn't for everyone, but it is a great option for people in this situation who have three characters on an account that they use. |
Edward Perry
Ferengi University
13
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:37:00 -
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Celeste Taylor wrote:Drachiel wrote:[quote=No Alibi] Dual training
$19.95 per month Cannot use both characters at once
Second Account
$15 per month Can use both characters at once
Not only is a second account cheaper, it's also outright better.
45 days would, IMO make up for the higher $$$ cost and inability to dual box. Don't get me wrong here, I love having two accounts to alt tab between but I don't find much benefits from more than two since my system gets sluggish and there is rarely a reason why I would have both my accounts idle. Plus I prefer spending 2 PLEX a month for my 6 characters over 6 PLEX a month for six accounts. My accounts have 3 characters that I use and if I want to train one of my alts for a month my options are to either pause my main, or to start a new account (1 PLEX) transfer my alt (2 PLEX) for a total of 3 PLEX and an additional PLEX a month every month or transfer it back after a month (2 PLEX) for a total of 5 PLEX! I prefer just paying 1 PLEX to add an additional 1-2m SP to my preexisting alts which occurs especially when new skills or ships are introduced. This feature isn't for everyone, but it is a great option for people in this situation who have three characters on an account that they use.
While I like the idea, I think the cost is at the level of SCAMing us for money. Come one, to enable a feature like training does not cost $15 bucks a month. I will continue to have my multiple accounts.
This does not seem like a fair pricing scheme. Come on, we should at least get 2X the plex time.
This will be of great advantages to the big corps and alliance that Farm Worm holes and POS incomes that already play for free. They will just funnel more of their isk in to training toons, which will allow them to make more money and raise the cost of plex's
Good idea, bad for the small time player like me |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
43
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:33:00 -
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Can I have CCPs babies? I am a guy but I'll figure something out . Kidding aside, I love this idea, makes my life a heck of a lot easier. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Desmont McCallock
298
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:36:00 -
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Chribba wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Chribba wrote:Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts? You know, there's a lot of people I expect this from, but not you. You're smarter than this. I don't think it's a bad thing, and there's views that have indeed made me go ahh from the way I play the game that I didn't think about before when people show their support for dual training. But I realize that is because the way I viewed it so I'm glad I got to get your views since some of them are nothing I ever thought about Although it would make it maybe a bit easier to not having to log on so many different accounts... if only there was a way to log off to character select... Thank you! /c I too support this (log off to character select) |
Lady Gwendolyn Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:24:00 -
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Ok, so I'll ask the question....Why can't I train all the toons on my account at the same time for free?
CCP gives me the ability to have 3 toons as part of my subscription, so why not give me a true subscription and let me train my toons all at the same time?
Is everyone so blind as to see this will not affect CCP's bottomline? I still can't use all 3 at the same time so if I need an alt on while I'm logged in I still have get a second account.
Nice idea for CCP. Perhaps not so nice for the players.
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ALI Virgo
Str8ngeBrew RAZOR Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:43:00 -
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why not have 2 x skill speed or duel skill training on one charter instead. You would sell a lot more plex and reach wider people then just alt training. Most alts are just super holder or pi cyno market alts. Bring back speed up training but for plex. To speed up training may encourage people away from +5 and risk more pvp with just an extra plex per month. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14751
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:16:00 -
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Oh my, there are people who think this should be cheaper or even free. I didn't see that coming.
I do see this filling a need in certain circumstances and think it's a good move. But it should NOT be cheaper than subs, no matter what the restrictions. Do like it, don't use it.
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TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:53:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Oh my, there are people who think this should be cheaper or even free. I didn't see that coming. I do see this filling a need in certain circumstances and think it's a good move. But it should NOT be cheaper than subs, no matter what the restrictions. Do like it, don't use it.
You tard. "Do like it, don't use it." ??? But the plex prices will go up because of this change, no matter if anyone use it or dont. This is just the plex manipulation and dont forget the monthly fee value is cheaper than plex prices.
Again just for you:
"[quote=No Alibi] Dual training $19.95 per month Cannot use both characters at once
Second Account
$15 per month Can use both characters at once Not only is a second account cheaper, it's also outright better. 45 days would, IMO make up for the higher $$$ cost and inability to dual box."
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7905
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Posted - 2013.05.19 00:11:00 -
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TravelBuoy wrote:Oh, man. "Do like it, don't use it." ??? But the plex prices will go up because of this change, no matter if anyone use it or dont. You'll have more people training secondary characters on their accounts, but at the same time, you'll have less character transfers between accounts owned by the same player. Another possible result is less demand for sub-10M SP utility characters on the character market, since such characters will easily be trained on extra character slots without the need for a second account and eventual transfer.
This is just cursory speculation, of course. mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
134
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Posted - 2013.05.19 04:19:00 -
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Not really sure how this is better than starting a new account, infact it's flat out worse. Costs the same, but you can't log in simultaneously.
Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Pigdaddy Ordahll
Evil Brewery Company
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 04:23:00 -
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New player here and totally loving eve so far. But gotta say this just feels like a massive ripoff. Don't get me wrong I'm stoked about the dual training (am currently training up a trial acc to go sub) on 1 acc, makes it more convenient for sure, but costing 1 plex ($20) per month ON TOP of the sub fee.... c'mon.. really!!.
Yes i'm aware you can get plex for free via isk in game but many of us simply don't have those kind of resources or time. I implore/beg/ask CCP to seriously rethink this "costing" structure and make it more like 1 plex for every 3/4/6 months. Especially given since no game time is being added.
Thanks for listening to a newbs concerns. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:25:00 -
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TravelBuoy wrote: 45 days would, IMO make up for the higher $$$ cost and inability to dual box."
That has the potencial for weird situations, where your account is out of supscription, but still in training.
Anyway, I too think this is a useless feature - I won't pay a plex just to train another char - that's why I'm having alts.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5122
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:15:00 -
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Akturous wrote:Not really sure how this is better than starting a new account, infact it's flat out worse. Costs the same, but you can't log in simultaneously.
How many ******* times do we have to say it? Alt: You train that character for one month, and use it, but you still have to pay for successive months that you use it, in addition to paying for your main account. Dual training: You pay to train your character for one month in addition to the subscription fee, but for successive months you pay only the subscription fee for one account. You can use both characters, just not at the same time. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Pigdaddy Ordahll
Evil Brewery Company
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akturous wrote:Not really sure how this is better than starting a new account, infact it's flat out worse. Costs the same, but you can't log in simultaneously.
How many ******* times do we have to say it? Alt: You train that character for one month, and use it, but you still have to pay for successive months that you use it, in addition to paying for your main account. Dual training: You pay to train your character for one month in addition to the subscription fee, but for successive months you pay only the subscription fee for one account. You can use both characters, just not at the same time.
Problem being is mate is how many months is your alt gonna be in training for?.. which means 1 plex per month.
Say I want to lvl up a basic indy alt, ind/research/PI/hauler/mining etc etc and not even min/max
Let's say that ALL up it's gonna take 180 days (which is a pretty fair and somewhat accurate assumption, especially if you plug it all into evemon).. that's 6 months.. 6 plex's... 6 x $20....... $120.. JUST TO TRAIN A TOON!!!!.. and yes loosing the ability to multibox.. atleast with having 2 acc's you have the ability to multi box and doing it @ $15 per month.
Dual training in it's present form is only for those with large amounts of either real life disposable income or ingame isk and is fundamentally flawed.
But as many will say.. don't like it don't use it. I for one will not be using it, in it's present form. |
Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
134
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akturous wrote:Not really sure how this is better than starting a new account, infact it's flat out worse. Costs the same, but you can't log in simultaneously.
How many ******* times do we have to say it? Alt: You train that character for one month, and use it, but you still have to pay for successive months that you use it, in addition to paying for your main account. Dual training: You pay to train your character for one month in addition to the subscription fee, but for successive months you pay only the subscription fee for one account. You can use both characters, just not at the same time.
Surely it's worth the transfer fee if you're going to stop training the account after 6 months say to have the extra scout, cyno, etc handy.
It's a rip off, we'll put it that way, but luckily I can vote with my wallet. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
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