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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:20:00 -
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I have to admit that I am very glad to see that I am not the only one who is curious about Admiral Yanala's whereabouts, a discussion I raised before:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=219632
I do not however, hold the Admiral in as high esteem as some others here on this thread suggest. Indeed this particular Admiral's entire career has been entirely devoted to the advancement of the Cadari State at the expense of the Federation and in the process, killing thousands of our citizens. She and her family are at the epi-center of Caldari politics and intrigue. Just as surely as she gifted in the arts of naval warfare she is equally a war criminal who is overdue for justice.
I do not want to speculate on the volumes of conspiracy theories on all the holo-reels... except to say the absence of any news makes all the most fantastic seem probable. I am certain however, that a victorius Yanala would have been a far, far greater political threat to Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth than a failed Admiral Yanala. Was the Caldari fleet sent to its certain doom by your own Executor? I can only speculate at this point but I would certainly like to know.
And who would know besides Executor Heath? Why Yanala of course... and where is she? Like myself, she is an immortal. Her pod should have ejected on the destruction of the Shiigeru. If that were destroyed then she would have reappeared in a clone, presumably in Caldari space and equally presumably into Executor Heath's merciless hands... On the other hand could her pod have failed to eject and she still be in the Shiigeru?? A truly intriguing possibility!
I for one would like to find out! As soon as it is feasible I would acquire a Dust jump clone and lead an expedition to pull that wanted criminal out of her Shiigeru tomb to come back and face Gallente justice! A full public trial with all the names of those she has killed over the years read into the court record. Summon all the witnesses and review all the recorded history of this felon!
When she is found guilty... (as a rule we Gallente don't pre-judge the outcome of trials but where the evidence against someone is so overwhelming I will indulge myself here...)... she deserves a special prison. One just for her. I can think of no finer punishment to sentence an immortal to a lifetime... indeed an eternity in prison! Caged she will be... indefinitely.
Let justice be done.
Sorjat
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2651
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:21:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Take them and get out.
I don't feel like you're in any particular position to tell me what to do.
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:26:00 -
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The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.
If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2652
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:26:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.
If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.
Precisely my thoughts, actually.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:35:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Considering the glowing commendation of which her actions are deserving, I find her absence from national media... conspicuous. She hasn't been seen or heard from since the battle. I appreciate the need for professional quiet on these occasions, but this is a big PR coup for the navy that its best and highest-ranked are so level-headed.
I too was asking that question. Where is the Admiral?
Since Heth is proven to be nuts, and nuts of his sort and his provists are thuggish, we need a capsuleer-driven inquiry on to the whereabouts of Admiral Yanala. Remember that Admiral Yanala is a capsuleer like us, and apparently one who had a conscience, which is rare in our community. I can find a least a score of raging lunatics in any lowsec system who would have DD'ed Caldari prime "just to see something go boom" so we should not take Yanala's actions lightly.
Admiral Yanala is a hero as far as I am concerned. |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7850
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:41:00 -
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Heth can not afford to have anymore dissidence in the media then there already is. I believe he knows the end of his reign will come soon and he is trying with all his might to prolong the inevitable. If this means silencing Admiral Yanala to buy more time I believe he would without a doubt. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:57:00 -
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While in the Shiigeru's final moments Admiral Yanala's actions were honourable and deserving of high praise, her actions prior to that, and prior to the conflict with the Federal fleet were more questionable.
I hope the inquest is still ongoing and looks into the orders given to fire on the planet surface, as well as the destruction of Brigadier General Odo Korachi's Battleship after refusing a direct stand down order over potential violations of the Yulai convention.
If she's anywhere right now, personally I would hope in their questioning if necessary, if it is not, I hope she is enjoying a quiet retirement in solitude*.
*As in a state of uninterrupted tranquility, not the area of space. Who'd want to live in that hell hole? It breeds scum like Mentas Blaque.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:04:00 -
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Sorjat wrote:...this particular Admiral's entire career has been entirely devoted to the advancement of the Cadari State...
...When she is found guilty... ...she deserves a special prison...
My, aren't you a bloodthirsty little thing? I don't know what to object to the most: The way you categorize her as a war criminal simply because she is a career Caldari Naval officer? The assumption of guilt? The desire to formulate a cruel and unusual punishment?
You sure a simple public immolation wouldn't be better? That seems pretty popular.
Bio and writing |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
429
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:48:00 -
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Sorjat, how many thousands have you killed? You've been a capsuleer for years. Likely you've killed enough ships' crews to warrant being called a war criminal as well, by that thin justification you provide: being the enemy of a nation in New Eden.
Akahoshi-haani has covered this topic, but I couldn't help but marvel at it, as well. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
936
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:00:00 -
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The question posed is a very good one. Admiral Yanala is a hero and exemplar of the Caldari, and I admit that I have felt ill-at-ease since the events that led to her disappearance. I know that I am not alone in this, as many of my employees have felt as disturbed.
As such, once I am prepared, LDRSS will be maintaining a permanent vigil in New Caldari until we receive address from the Admiral. We welcome any who would care to join us. We look forward to awarding her all due honours. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:01:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Isn't it normal for Caldari to commit suicide after failing important charges or duties, to regain one's honor? That is what mister Tuulinen told me.
Maybe she did that?
If she is taken into custody and investigation is ongoing, then, I am afraid, they won't give her this chance. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:04:00 -
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Aelisha wrote:I, too, would be interested to hear about the Admiral's whereabouts. I assume that a period of personal seclusion after such a traumatic conflict may be needed even by the likes of us capsuleers, but the lack of media coverage in general is disheartening.
Here's hoping we will hear more soon, even if not from the Admiral herself.
While investigation is in process, I don't think she will be allowed to appear in the media, and her whereabouts should be held in secret for the sake of both her and national security (it is quite possible, that some organizations would want her dead, and others - to be released). |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:07:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Considering the glowing commendation of which her actions are deserving, I find her absence from national media... conspicuous. She hasn't been seen or heard from since the battle. I appreciate the need for professional quiet on these occasions, but this is a big PR coup for the navy that its best and highest-ranked are so level-headed.
Turning off main ship weapons during a fight is not what a combat officer should do. Although turning off systems before crashing on a planet is commendable, but disabling main and decisive weapon several minutes before is concerning, if not disturbing.
Firing main weapon on enemy fleet repeatedly can stand between losing and winning the battle. During Caldari Prime defense I didn't pay attention to the titan and actions of Admiral, concentrating on the targets. However, if the investigation will show that oblivion actually was never fired and didn't destroy any of enemy vessels, then Admiral Yanala is in a really big big trouble. And I doubt we would ever hear from her again. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:15:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.
If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.
Lady Hanaya... Executor-haan is the head of the State, he is respectable, merited and honorable man. He can't just "murder" someone. If Admiral Yanala will have to die, it will be either her or tribunal decision. |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 00:34:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.
If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.
Lady Hanaya... Executor-haan is the head of the State, he is respectable, merited and honorable man. He can't just "murder" someone. If Admiral Yanala will have to die, it will be either her or tribunal decision.
Seems like Diana Kim is starting to see the light!
who would have thought that there is even a line in the sand that her most dearest executor cant cross? hmmm...
Things are looking bleak for the executor indeed... |
Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:16:00 -
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The observant will note certain points of interest in the timing of the events listed by the flight recorder, the honorable admiral's statements on local communications, the (admittedly presumed) orders that gave rise to them, and the time her pod was ejected from the Shiigeru.
The cold calculi of power and honor currently leave very little room for both Yanala and the Executor to exist. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:48:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:[..] this is a big PR coup for the navy that its best and highest-ranked are so level-headed. Really? If your best officers being able and wise enough to take action to avoid an extinction-level event on your homeworld is considered as such a big deal, it suggests that a lot of those in the Navy might not be so level-headed. Hardly something you could use for positive PR, in my opinion. I think that if Yanala had acted in any other way, she would have been dishonourably discharged and/or not court martialed.
In that light I also find it a tad early to call her absence from media conspicious.
Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
432
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:18:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.
If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.
Lady Hanaya... Executor-haan is the head of the State, he is respectable, merited and honorable man. He can't just "murder" someone. If Admiral Yanala will have to die, it will be either her or tribunal decision. Seems like Diana Kim is starting to see the light! who would have thought that there is even a line in the sand that her most dearest executor cant cross? hmmm... Things are looking bleak for the executor indeed...
Why would you think so?
I will gladly give my life to protect our Executor, or if he will order me to.
And you, tribal, do you have someone whom would you give your petty life for? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
432
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Posted - 2013.05.18 05:11:00 -
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Shiori Shaishi wrote:The observant will note certain points of interest in the timing of the events listed by the flight recorder, the honorable admiral's statements on local communications, the (admittedly presumed) orders that gave rise to them, and the time her pod was ejected from the Shiigeru.
The cold calculi of power and honor currently leave very little room for both Yanala and the Executor to exist.
There are two event, that bring the most concern to me. First, is that, according to communications shield were stable and the titan was tanking damage, but then pilots were saying shields almost instantly dropped.
And second, is this recent find, that main weapon was powered down during combat way before the ship has lost stability.
I don't know what really happened there, but the facts prevent me from naming Admiral Yanala as honorable. I would prefer to wait for results of the investigation, but, if my worst assumptions would become true, we won't hear result in the near future, until all involved would be seized or neutralized by other means. And thus until finished, the temporary results of the investigation should remain hidden.
As for coexisting of Admiral Yanala and Executor Heth, I am afraid that I can't even imagine coexisting now Admiral Yanala with Caldari Navy, because, unfortunately, I can't think even at least one reason to power down ship's main weapon during combat, that wouldn't be dishonorable.
These news about oblivion weapon were really shocking for me. But now it is crystal clear why the Admiral was put under detention. I don't know if there was some kind of plot, or someone did horrible mistakes.
All I can do now, is to wish good luck to CPD and Navy in solving this issue. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1325
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:54:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Really? If your best officers being able and wise enough to take action to avoid an extinction-level event on your homeworld is considered as such a big deal, it suggests that a lot of those in the Navy might not be so level-headed. Hardly something you could use for positive PR, in my opinion.
1) Except the balance of evidence increasingly is that she was ordered to CAUSE an extinction-level event. In the grand tradition of "if I can't have it, nobody can." If that is the case then she not only disobeyed a direct order, but went on to ensure that it couldn't inadvertently be carried out by her vessel's death throes. Demonstrating that our Navy's best and brightest know better than to follow catastrophically bad orders. This is a virtue any military should be proud of.
2) The fight over Home was a clusterbomb. I don't know exactly how many ships were involved but while space battles do get larger than that, it's not common. Admiral Yanala was commanding that battlespace up until the very end, and still kept the presence of mind to see the bigger picture. From personal experience I can tell you; that's a harder feat of multi-tasking than you seem to think.
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:13:00 -
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This is an extremely disturbing line of inquiry. i sincerely hope that Diana Kim is correct and that Admiral Yanala is being kept away from press intrusion.
Unfortunately, that decision is having a destabilising effect on the State as questions are now being asked. They must be answered.
A brief appearance by Admiral Yanala will scotch these concerns and this must now happen in my view. this cannot be allowed to continue.
Fly Caldari! |
Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
20
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:23:00 -
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With regard to the actions on Home, I believe Admiral Yanala should be tried under a Court Martial. her actions can be explored, her testimony taken and she can be exonerated.
In my view, Admiral Yanala upheld the high regard of the Caldari Navy and her actions helped save our ancestral homeworld.
Fly Caldari! |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1328
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:14:00 -
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There should be an inquest, certainly. but you don't court martial somebody unless you're accusing them of breaking military law, which would only come about as a result of an inquest.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
90
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:29:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Akahoshi-haani
I'm flattered, but I'm afraid I'm not a State citizen.
Stitcher wrote:Admiral Yanala was commanding that battlespace up until the very end, and still kept the presence of mind to see the bigger picture. From personal experience I can tell you; that's a harder feat of multi-tasking than you seem to think.
You have no idea how pleased I am to hear you say that.
Bio and writing |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
958
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:45:00 -
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I must retract the ill statements I made following the battle, it seems that Yanala and the brave crew of the Shiigeru went down with honor. She deserves so much more than a mere medal, or anything someone can bestow upon her.
Though, this raises more questions. Who gave the order to activate the doomsday (which Yanala honorably disobeyed)? Why were the final transmissions of the Shiigeru saying they were going to Doomsday the planet? And of course, where is the Admiral?
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
20
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:58:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:There should be an inquest, certainly. but you don't court martial somebody unless you're accusing them of breaking military law, which would only come about as a result of an inquest.
I'm not sure I agree. A Court Martial is used where breaches of military discipline occur.
I think that there is little doubt that Admiral Yanala defied standing orders from the Executor to open fire on the planet by shutting down the weapons systems on the Shiigeru in its final moments. That is a clear breach of military discipline and should warrant a court martial to investigate and determine guilt and if necessary sanctions.
Be in no doubt that I think Admiral Yanala acted entirely properly throughout and I am sure that this will be the outcome of any court martial which should exonerate her.
Fly Caldari! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.20 12:49:00 -
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Brandi Wiseman wrote:
A brief appearance by Admiral Yanala will scotch these concerns and this must now happen in my view. this cannot be allowed to continue.
If I were in her place, I wouldn't be alive for sure. And even if I would, I would never dare to appear in the public.
Stitcher wrote:There should be an inquest, certainly. but you don't court martial somebody unless you're accusing them of breaking military law, which would only come about as a result of an inquest.
According to available information, I can make an assumption that she is accused in putting down weapon during the fight instead of using it against the enemy. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:05:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
According to available information, I can make an assumption that she is accused in putting down weapon during the fight instead of using it against the enemy.
Impressive, ain't it?
Considering she may have saved the State by choosing not to glass our own planet.
Come on, you really think Kaalakiota wouldn't be altogether bankrupt by now if the strike had been ordered?
Shares all over the State would be dropping like untanked Retrievers in New Order systems.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:12:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
According to available information, I can make an assumption that she is accused in putting down weapon during the fight instead of using it against the enemy.
Impressive, ain't it? Considering she may have saved the State
She saved lives by shutting down subsystems, but the weapon was deactivated long before that.
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
by choosing not to glass our own planet.
Come on, you really think Kaalakiota wouldn't be altogether bankrupt by now if the strike had been ordered?
Pilot Quinzel Nikulainen, what is the purpose of an Oblivion-class doomsday device installed on a Leviathan-class State titan ship during engagement against larger enemy fleet with dreadnoughts, carriers and a supercarrier on field?
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Shares all over the State would be dropping like untanked Retrievers in New Order systems.
Excuse me, like what? Like where? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1332
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:55:00 -
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Brandi Wiseman wrote:Be in no doubt that I think Admiral Yanala acted entirely properly throughout and I am sure that this will be the outcome of any court martial which should exonerate her.
Barring a man in a black trenchcoat walking into the courtroom with an executive order, sure.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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