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Felsusguy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:57:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:You do not have to call me... all kinds of other insults to get your point through. You are right, I don't, but it's the only place on the forums that I can do it without looking like a colossal douche.
Edit: *to everyone. How droll. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
878
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:09:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:
You are a colossal moron, perhaps the most stupid capsuleer I've ever seen. They will make shrines to that cavernous, empty thing you call a head someday as a warning to future generations what to strive to avoid.
Every comment you make, every. single word. is an insult to all of humanity that struggled to evolve and make it out of the primordial soup. "We fought and suffered and strived, invented tools and weapons and civilization for this? For this pathetic excuse for a human being to make up anything she wants and declare random, baseless, stupid things to millions of viewers?
How exactly did you ever pass flight school? How do you make it out of your bed chamber in the morning without a team of assistants reminding you how to put on your pants and shoes? Do you have mental advisers tutor you in cutting and chewing food for each meal?
We can cross solar systems in seconds, transmit our consciousness across space, travel through wormholes, unleash devastating destruction with our very thoughts, and yet all you have is pessimism about quaint physical diseases.
I'll say again, go ask any imperial Holder who has been alive for 500 or 600 years in their original bodies how their cancer is doing, or once again maybe turn on the huge and powerful shields on every single ship you fly if you'd like to avoid background radiation, you dolt.
+ Felsusguy
Alright, I was wrong, I admit. You do not have to call me a colossal moron and all kinds of other insults to get your point through. And if you really insist on knowing where I got my capsuleer training, the answer is nowhere. You'll have to figure out the rest by yourself.
I was speaking to Katran Luftschreck. Unless there's some fail split personality ridiculousness going on. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1686
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:21:00 -
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Crenash Wandigo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:and now the Jovians are dead and gone, and we are all the inheretors of their mistake. The Jovians are not dead. Crippled and hiding, maybe, but not dead.
Yeah, going to need to see some proof of that. Nation has been in their stations and found them empty and abandoned. Their space is forfeit. They were known to be.. unstable and unhealthy, so their being dead makes a lot more sense then them having gone to find some place to hide for a little while.
Our theory fits the evidence better, requires less assumptions and is, really, better for the cluster. Honestly, I will never understand the obsession that capsuleers have with thinking that the Jovians have ever had the rest of humanities best interests at heart. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
196
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:38:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Crenash Wandigo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:and now the Jovians are dead and gone, and we are all the inheretors of their mistake. The Jovians are not dead. Crippled and hiding, maybe, but not dead. Yeah, going to need to see some proof of that. Nation has been in their stations and found them empty and abandoned. Their space is forfeit. They were known to be.. unstable and unhealthy, so their being dead makes a lot more sense then them having gone to find some place to hide for a little while. Our theory fits the evidence better, requires less assumptions and is, really, better for the cluster. Honestly, I will never understand the obsession that capsuleers have with thinking that the Jovians have ever had the rest of humanities best interests at heart.
To be fair, Tiberious, it's not as though there are no examples of apparently-diseased civilizations tucking themselves away in order to preserve their lives. If the Jove are (or were, if your theory is correct) anywhere as advanced as the Sleepers, they could have simply taken similar actions as the Sleepers and gone into cryostasis. Couldn't they still be alive, if this were to be the case? I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1688
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:02:00 -
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Depending on your definition of alive, yes. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
470
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:15:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:Felsusguy wrote:*Looks at fake story*
Do you really think an omnipotent, all-powerful capsuleer wouldn't have a few spare "backup" clones? You may lose some memories since the last time you updated them, but you wouldn't be dead, either. I think you don't really know how capsuleer cloning technology works.
Felsusguy is correct. Capsuleers buy back up clones and have their memory/personality stored digitally.
Felsusguy wrote:How did you even become a capsuleer without learning about cloning?
Danak isn't a capsuleer.
Denak Calamari wrote: Alright, I was wrong, I admit. You do not have to call me a colossal moron and all kinds of other insults to get your point through. And if you really insist on knowing where I got my capsuleer training, the answer is nowhere. You'll have to figure out the rest by yourself.
Lady Vitalia wasn't addressing you. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
196
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:21:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Depending on your definition of alive, yes.
Existing in an infomorphic state could reasonably defined as being alive. So....yes, it is possible they are still alive. I believe this is the case not out of blind optimism and mere prayers for the health of the Jove, but rather because it is an observed tendency of all civilizations to attempt to make themselves immortal. Particularly advanced civilizations have succeeded in this goal, as you well know. I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
179
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Posted - 2013.05.19 02:27:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:*Looks at fake story*
Do you really think an omnipotent, all-powerful capsuleer wouldn't have a few spare "backup" clones? You may lose some memories since the last time you updated them, but you wouldn't be dead, either.
Plenty of capsuleers do not keep soft clones. Plenty have had their legacy ended because they were killed outside the capsule without a "backup."
Makkal Hanaya wrote:Any cancer this body gets isn't going to propagate to a new clone.
Any disease or damage that affects the neural map will transfer, as the cloning process copies and replicates the neural map.
Of course, this is irrelevant as long as the disease is curable by modern science. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
471
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Posted - 2013.05.19 02:36:00 -
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The neural map will not transfer brain tumors, if that's what you're suggesting. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
179
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Posted - 2013.05.19 02:49:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:The neural map will not transfer brain tumors, if that's what you're suggesting.
I deliberately did not name any specific disease. The point has nothing to do with 'cancer'. It was that there are diseases that capsuleers can potentially contract that are not curable by a simple "restart" cloning, and that could end that capsuleer's legacy. Any damage that affects your mind will be copied over. And that will accumulate over every subsequent cloning.
That was the point miss Luftshreck was making. Cancer was simply one example, if a flawed one.
Cloning is not even a 100% guaranteed process. It is 99.7% chance. That is a 0.3% chance on every clone that the process fails and your legacy is abruptly ended. Even a soft clone scan may be done improperly, which you will not know until it fails to activate, or activates in a braindead state.
Capsuleers are not invincible. |
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
900
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:36:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Ah, the delusions of immortality amongst capsuleers.
Here's the thing: You will all die of cancer.
When is the last time you heard of anyone dying of cancer? I mean, I'm sure it exists on isolated crap-hole colonies without access to basic radiotherapy, but even the most rudimentary medbay will have a gamma knife handy.
Hell, come to think of it, the last time I've heard of anyone having cancer, was when some Gallente "artists" induced the growth of artificial tumours as part of some performance art tripe about the beauty of the human body. Then they had them removed just as easily as they had them added. |
Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
141
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:58:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: When is the last time you heard of anyone dying of cancer?
Karin Midular, less than two weeks ago ?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
900
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:18:00 -
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Adreena Madeveda wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: When is the last time you heard of anyone dying of cancer?
Karin Midular, less than two weeks ago ? That wasn't cancer, it was a screwed-up cellular regeneration process. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1688
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:25:00 -
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It was still technically cancer, but I think what Istvaan meant to say is "When was the last time anyone you knew died of naturally occuring cancer. IE cancer that was not intentionally caused. Midular's 'cancer' was a purposely induced rapid cellular growth that ended up going out of control. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
196
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:22:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:The neural map will not transfer brain tumors, if that's what you're suggesting. Cloning is not even a 100% guaranteed process. It is 99.7% chance. That is a 0.3% chance on every clone that the process fails and your legacy is abruptly ended. Even a soft clone scan may be done improperly, which you will not know until it fails to activate, or activates in a braindead state. Capsuleers are not invincible.
What, however, are the chances of both a pod-based neural scan failing as well as a soft-clone failing? Particularly if one has a digital copy that can be checksummed.
If you prepare properly, you'll be fine.
I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way. |
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