I asked around Rens, but everyone said they were going to be busy running Level 4's that weekend, or installing manufacturing jobs on their industry alts.

I'm not going to wade through months or years of threads to find it. But one thing I don't think anything came of the ones before so good luck.

Two words: Children's Crusade.

Is this an empire ceo I see actually creating content?

Please ensure you tell everyone how to set up their overview and pick a direction.

The trick is to do everything so fast they don't realise that they are actually on a pvp roam until after they've just fired on another player that didn't give permission in advance.

OP, when you decide this isn't happening, look up Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA). They are perhaps the only group to successfully bring highbears out of highsec to live in a highsec-like space that is not highsec.

I really admire what you're trying to do. It won't work, though, and I can tell you why: communication. You can't amass a huge fighting force of highbears cause you can't get a huge mass of highbears to know about what you're doing, you can't get a huge mass of highbears to agree on a method of attack, you can't get a huge mass of highbears to work together under a ship doctrine or set of fleet tactics. Even if you massed a thousand highbears to run a giant spaceship donut through nullsec, all that would happen is you'd get hotdropped and you'd all be sent to upgrade your fresh clone grade alpha in less time than it takes to inquire why that one guy who's supposed to be logi is AFK.

But if you're really determined to get this thing together, then you have my support. I don't know very many influential groups who would be willing to work with you, but you could try getting in touch with the James 3:15 (New Order of Highsec) crowd. At first it may appear that they are aligned against you, but consider that you and they have the same goal: to enhance highsec communication and get the highbears to agree on something. If James 315 were successful in what they set out to do, there would undoubtedly be a big outcry and subsequent rebellion. And that rebellion could hurt people in nullsec more than their shipwrecks feed it.

actually, a 0.0 alliance came from it

(Xystance took a break from TEST to do this sort of thing - The Hero that High Sec Deserves - the resulting alliance The 99 Percent eventually ended up as a TEST pet and then merged with The Aurora Shadow to create Tribal Band which now owns Period Basis.)

not if we fight like carebears, thats when the overwhelming force comes into play, the whole party will be as save as mining asteroids I promise

How many mining barges does it take to be "overwhelming force" against a fleet of super carriers and titans?

Not only do carebears not care about pvp, loads of them are alts from mains in nullsec alliances who often like pvp.

If anything, you will get a fleet full of empire alts flying ships with cyno's trying to blob this carebear fleet with their mains.

Actual carebears will ragequit and probably never log in again, and nullsec will get gf.

TL;DR yeaaaaah, no.

Maybe we could get CCP to introduce Tech2 panties into the game, wearing those MIGHT give the real "carebears" enough sack room to stop playing the eternal victims of a video game....but I doubt it.

When I was in null sec, our policy was that when a roam came into our area, we'd dock up and not fight.

Many people would whine... why do we let these people just roam through our area and not do anything about it.


The answer is, because we don't want them here.

Counter intuitive at first, but you have to look at secondary effects. WHY were people roaming through the area? Because they wanted fights. How do we make them go somewhere else? By making sure they don't get fights here.

Go out and fight them, sure, maybe you can win and send them home in pods or clone activations.... but they are just going to come right back.

Don't give then fights is the MUCH, MUCH more effective means of dealing with unwanted roaming gangs.



Same goes for how carebears should deal with the PvPers. Just make sure they don't get kills.

You want to blow up my ship.

I don't want you to blow up my ship.

I don't undock when there is a reasonable risk my ship will go boom.

You don't blow up my ship.

You come to the forums DEMANDING it be easier to make my ship go boom, because EVE is dying..... What you do not accept is that if the rules were changed to make it easier to make my ship go boom, I'd just change my play style to continue to ensure my ship does not go boom.

I win, you lose.

Who is the eternal victim?

sounds like you were in CVA.

but yeah ive been in the fleet roaming , not fighting is a direct counter to pvp

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

edit: join my channel SpaceJunkys there we talk about the details

And I say it's also time for all nullseccers to gather all resources and invade hi-sec space, clean up all the hi-sec belts of Veldspar, scordite and whatever else we can find... lets steal their mins destroy their belts, fight the biggest trade war ever in new eden.

We also do this at the same time as all the carebears do the above suggested nullsec incursion, giving them nothing to shoot at.... so they can mine the Gneiss and spod instead.

I like this spacejunky idea.

ill fight with you brother!

anyone who knows me, knows that I am one of the biggest carebears in nullsec. lets do this ish.

actually, a 0.0 alliance came from it

(Xystance took a break from TEST to do this sort of thing - The Hero that High Sec Deserves - the resulting alliance The 99 Percent eventually ended up as a TEST pet and then merged with The Aurora Shadow to create Tribal Band which now owns Period Basis.)

if you want to actually put overwhelming force into nullsec you'll need FCs, tight fleet compositions, a logistics crew to drop POS, keep them fueled and deal with sov structures, a proper chain of command and, most importantly, pilots

it's a bit more complicated than running a mission, it seems

I'm still curious as to what a 'carebear style' invasion of nullsec would be like. I just keep picturing a bunch of exhumers trying to take out ganker ships with strip miners and their own explosions.