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Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:29:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:I already said what the solution to close this exploit loop hole is. If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled. So, your 'solution' is that when wardeced and in Jita you can't log on at all when Jita is over-loaded? So, rather than have a chance at catching them somewhere, because they're logged in and active, you'd prefer that they be forced to stay logged off? Seems to me that you're not a PvPer, but merely a griefer.
Also, you're annoyed because they're using a game mechanic intelligently and, rather than come up with a solution, you want CCP to change the mechanic in your favour. Lazy. |
StarStryder
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:04:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:StarStryder wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:You all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well. Why don't you stop whining and propose a solution? I already said what the solution to close this exploit loop hole is. If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled.
Sorry, maybe I should have been a little clearer. I meant a solution that you'd spent more than 5 seconds thinking about. Let me line this up for you. When you're designing stuff, you have to factor in the worst case scenario.
Let's say that Jita is at its hard cap. People are logging in and out as normal. The non-war targets all get punted out to a surrounding system. The war targets all stay in Jita. Eventually the system has no choice but to allow new war target logins to breach the hard cap. This goes on for a few hours and the node crashes.
Now, do you have a solution that has be sustained over the long term? |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
258
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:49:00 -
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:highsec wars:
^_^ |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
4
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:41:00 -
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Love how people try to impress upon others the superiority of their gameplay. I've done low sec industry, low sec pirate, null sec indy, nullsec pirate, null sec alliance, high sec indy, high sec war decs. They're all pretty much the same, there are a small group of people in most of those niches that play hardcore, the others hide behind them or hide through sheer numbers carebearing regardless of whether in null, low or high sec.
Fact - the safest I have ever been was repairing my sec from low sec gate camping in null alliance. Good 6 weeks there and no a single bad guy. Sitting at a gate in HED-GP with a bunch of alliance peeps popping single ships and running from anything dangerous.
The most dangerous was solo camping low sec gates.
The most fun and strategic - solo empire wars / Privateers.
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Darvaleth Sigma
224
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:58:00 -
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Is it me or does has avatar just exude stupid...? His face looks ridiculous
I hear the issue, but it's either that or have Eve go down regularly to accomodate for 10,000 people in one system. Take your pic; miss your targets by a couple of systems, or miss them entirely due to enforced downtimes? Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Arjo Lauzen
Borealis Mining Concern SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:40:00 -
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Pathetic OP. I suppose you'll want to ban jump cloning next during a war dec? |
Cable Udan
The Tuskers
189
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:08:00 -
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Your tears...
THEY INVIGORATE ME! http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/ My Pirate Blog |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
55
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:07:00 -
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Oh look, another "Make eve fair for only me!" post. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard Amarr 7th Fleet
235
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:11:00 -
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Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:Dude. OP, you owe me a keyboard because I've read this thread and proceeded to spit my wonderful Colombian dark roast coffee all over it from laughing so hard. I'll PM you my PO Box details.
EDIT: Also, this is how you do it. Post with your main or GTFO. Actually now that I'm thinking of it, just GTFO anyway. Nobody wants you or your corporation full of alts in New Eden.
Have a bad day.
Funnily enough this would be the ideal solution to his problem, if he and the rest of his corpmates logged off in Jita then his targets would be able to log on and not get moved, viola all his problems with the mechanic are solved. |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
93
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:17:00 -
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This thread certainly backfired :) |
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Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
1761
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:22:00 -
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Well now...
First time I see Trade HUB campers complain about something so bloody insignificant.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
GavinGoodrich
1st MC Phobia.
32
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Posted - 2013.05.19 22:40:00 -
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popcorn! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
377
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:10:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.
No ones gonna take you seriously until you post with your main.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
359
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:03:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards. No ones gonna take you seriously until you post with your main.
I am personally ok with anyone using any avatar. Reputation is as stable as the post in GD =) "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
ez caper
Devlon Industries Defiant Legacy
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:23:00 -
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grifing carebear tears
the sweatest
if you want to pvp move in to ammamake or sorounding systems |
SidtheKid100
Deliberately Dumb
14
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:42:00 -
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ez caper wrote:grifing carebear tears
the sweatest
if you want to pvp move in to ammamake or sorounding systems
And get gang-banged by all the linked gangs? I'll pass. (And so should he) Still...it's better than Rancer ANY day of the week. I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main. |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
14
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:11:00 -
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PvP in hi sec is just weird. Wardecs are eve weirder. I dont really understand why they are here except for RvB fun. |
Ripblade Falconpunch
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:30:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Alua Oresson wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Didn't know the imperial academy had wardecs running. It also has no kills. I really love it when people complain of having no targets post with forum alts. Try stirring up some angst against yourself. You can also come after people that insult you. For instance myself. I hang around L-C307 and 3V8-LJ. Come and get me. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD EzwalYou all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well.
Maybe learn how to not be a stationgaming shitlord then? I dunno.... |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
37
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:56:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.
I don't know why you're complaining, you're the one that scared the fox down the hole. It isn't cowardice to protect what is yours the only way you can, don't belittle them because you're tactically inept. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord |
Blake Gates Heleneto
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
38
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Posted - 2013.05.21 02:41:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:Dude. OP, you owe me a keyboard because I've read this thread and proceeded to spit my wonderful Colombian dark roast coffee all over it from laughing so hard. I'll PM you my PO Box details.
EDIT: Also, this is how you do it. Post with your main or GTFO. Actually now that I'm thinking of it, just GTFO anyway. Nobody wants you or your corporation full of alts in New Eden.
Have a bad day. Funnily enough this would be the ideal solution to his problem, if he and the rest of his corpmates logged off in Jita then his targets would be able to log on and not get moved, viola all his problems with the mechanic are solved.
Ha! YES! |
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Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
37
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:54:00 -
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I don't know guys. Maybe a little twist of the OP's idea could be good. Since traffic control and the requisite rerouting is the issue, why not just close any high traffic gate to anyone with a wardec.
Then none of them can access jita or the surrounding systems. Or even better make a war dec reroute you as soon as you log on to nearest low sec and hisec gates won't let you pass ;)
A wave of tears from the indi corps and a similar wave from the station campers who have to go looking for targets or become targets them selves.
The trade hubs then have to be spread out to make up the difference in trade. More markets being good for haulers and traders. More traffic in goods makes for better ganks and who hasn't had the thought that there needs to be more trade pushed to low sec.
Would be hugely exploitive at first but would really shake up hisec rules and "fix" war dec.
Yes I am trolling. ;) |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
214
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:42:00 -
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solution: remove wardecs
if you want to pvp gtfo of high sec.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:07:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:solution: remove wardecs
if you want to pvp gtfo of high sec.
Low sec and null sec pvp is boring and lacks tactical elements that pvp in high sec doesnt. PvP in high sec requires skill, situational awareness and the ability to foresee many possible outcomes. PvP in low sec and null requires numbers only.
What ruins lowsec and null pvp but doesnt affect highsec are empty local, lack of or reduction in neutral traffic, no concordeken, hotdrops, lack of targets, blobbage at chokepoints, inability to refit (null) repair (null) among other things.
Having tried most forms of PvP the only form I find any fun at all is highsec pvp. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
37
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:solution: remove wardecs
if you want to pvp gtfo of high sec.
Low sec and null sec pvp is boring and lacks tactical elements that pvp in high sec doesnt. PvP in high sec requires skill, situational awareness and the ability to foresee many possible outcomes. PvP in low sec and null requires numbers only. What ruins lowsec and null pvp but doesnt affect highsec are empty local, lack of or reduction in neutral traffic, no concordeken, hotdrops, lack of targets, blobbage at chokepoints, inability to refit (null) repair (null) among other things. Having tried most forms of PvP the only form I find any fun at all is highsec pvp.
I would be inclined to agree if not that the vast majority of the hisec PvP "tactics" revolve around ensuring your target can not shoot back. While asymmetric warfare is a good thing it undermines the idea that it is more exciting(fun) than other PvP. Further more, the same choak point tactics are employed in hisec as in nul. Get them at a gate or get them at a station. Even FW is forced into this fact by the nature of the empty space. Scanners would become mandatory to find anyone if not for those choke points. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
546
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:13:00 -
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haha jita camper is mad. we need more of this! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:13:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:solution: remove wardecs
if you want to pvp gtfo of high sec.
Low sec and null sec pvp is boring and lacks tactical elements that pvp in high sec doesnt. PvP in high sec requires skill, situational awareness and the ability to foresee many possible outcomes. PvP in low sec and null requires numbers only. What ruins lowsec and null pvp but doesnt affect highsec are empty local, lack of or reduction in neutral traffic, no concordeken, hotdrops, lack of targets, blobbage at chokepoints, inability to refit (null) repair (null) among other things. Having tried most forms of PvP the only form I find any fun at all is highsec pvp. I would be inclined to agree if not that the vast majority of the hisec PvP "tactics" revolve around ensuring your target can not shoot back. While asymmetric warfare is a good thing it undermines the idea that it is more exciting(fun) than other PvP. Further more, the same choak point tactics are employed in hisec as in nul. Get them at a gate or get them at a station. Even FW is forced into this fact by the nature of the empty space. Scanners would become mandatory to find anyone if not for those choke points. Yeah fair enough. Im usually mobile since I use locators n kill specific targets rather than wait at a choke for a random. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
214
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:17:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:solution: remove wardecs
if you want to pvp gtfo of high sec.
Low sec and null sec pvp is boring and lacks tactical elements that pvp in high sec doesnt. PvP in high sec requires skill, situational awareness and the ability to foresee many possible outcomes. PvP in low sec and null requires numbers only. What ruins lowsec and null pvp but doesnt affect highsec are empty local, lack of or reduction in neutral traffic, no concordeken, hotdrops, lack of targets, blobbage at chokepoints, inability to refit (null) repair (null) among other things. Having tried most forms of PvP the only form I find any fun at all is highsec pvp.
It also means you're pvping in a controlled environment where you get 24 hours notice on who will attack you
Whatever floats your boat i guess. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:19:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:solution: remove wardecs
if you want to pvp gtfo of high sec.
Low sec and null sec pvp is boring and lacks tactical elements that pvp in high sec doesnt. PvP in high sec requires skill, situational awareness and the ability to foresee many possible outcomes. PvP in low sec and null requires numbers only. What ruins lowsec and null pvp but doesnt affect highsec are empty local, lack of or reduction in neutral traffic, no concordeken, hotdrops, lack of targets, blobbage at chokepoints, inability to refit (null) repair (null) among other things. Having tried most forms of PvP the only form I find any fun at all is highsec pvp. It also means you're pvping in a controlled environment where you get 24 hours notice on who will attack you Whatever floats your boat i guess. In null its more controlled than high. The moment you appear in local with an alliance member active the entire alliance knows you're there. Ultimate EWS. I'd say I would prefer that than 24 hour notice but its not true because I prefer a little risk. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:16:00 -
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Came looking for sweet sweet Jita camper tears. Left satisfied. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:25:00 -
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double post |
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