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feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:09:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita.
You don't need to move stuff to Jita y'know, there's a trade hub around there somewhere. Also please share some of these hisec station camping strategies that required 'a long time' to plan, I'm genuinely interested.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
157
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:55:00 -
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1) There are multiple ways of evading the sort of station games the OP wants to trap its targets in. Use of hauler alts, commercial freight lines, or simple clone-jumping are three that come right off the top of the head. Should clone jumps be banned while you're in a wardec as well? Because otherwise, your targets could zap out from Jita to Yulai or Old Man's Star or the fbeeping Outer Ring.
2) The mechanic the OP is decrying is, fundamentally, the only realistic alternative to not allowing some people to log into EVE at all during heavy traffic times in Jita. Freak disconnects happen, after all. Routinely. And a predator corporation's desire to trap its targets can't take priority over the danger of overloading and crashing the primary market hub in the game "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Draconis VI
Porezna Uprava
2
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Posted - 2013.05.21 16:50:00 -
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dear failed ganker
i will tell you the same thing i would tell your victims if they weren't smarter than you
HTFU or GTFO
and thx for all the tears :) |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2124
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:06:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:1) There are multiple ways of evading the sort of station games the OP wants to trap its targets in. Use of hauler alts, commercial freight lines, or simple clone-jumping are three that come right off the top of the head. Should clone jumps be banned while you're in a wardec as well? Because otherwise, your targets could zap out from Jita to Yulai or Old Man's Star or the fbeeping Outer Ring.
2) The mechanic the OP is decrying is, fundamentally, the only realistic alternative to not allowing some people to log into EVE at all during heavy traffic times in Jita. Freak disconnects happen, after all. Routinely. And a predator corporation's desire to trap its targets can't take priority over the danger of overloading and crashing the primary market hub in the game
Pretty much this!
Also, get a scout and go chase them down! It's not like their teleported to Amarr, there in a system next door for crying out loud! |
Regam Voss
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:53:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:melvin wrote:If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled.
Well then melvin you still get no targets to shoot at if this is diabled and jita is at capacity then they wouldnt even be able to log in THINK ABOUT IT
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Well then melvin you still get no targets to shoot at if this is diabled and jita is at capacity then they wouldnt even be able to log in THINK ABOUT IT[/quote]
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Well then melvin you still get no targets to shoot at if this is diabled and jita is at capacity then they wouldnt even be able to log in THINK ABOUT IT[/quote]
That answer. |
Melvin Earl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.05.24 06:03:00 -
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Any word if this exploit has been fixed? |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
1802
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Posted - 2013.05.24 08:24:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Any word if this exploit has been fixed?
haha...
Some PVP corps today.
It's not an exploit. Posting with alt should be considered an exploit. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.05.24 13:10:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:StarStryder wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:You all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well. Why don't you stop whining and propose a solution? I already said what the solution to close this exploit loop hole is. If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled.
So your solution to them being able to pick one of the many systems you are not covering, thereby making it impossible for you to attack them, is to prevent them logging on at all so that you ..... uhm ....... ehmmmm wait a second here ....... cant attack them at all ? Is there a hole in your solution dya think ? ROFL
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Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
11
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Posted - 2013.05.24 21:21:00 -
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Im still rather new to Eve. Yet I've seen a huge amount of complaints regarding punishing those who would exploit or terrorize the do gooders. If CCP themselves are busy measuring office furniture for the odyssey expansion. Why not form a corp and call it the Inquisition. I mean really. Why have them do the work. It seems like a free enough society were the community has to make a cumulative fist and swing it at somebody.
Edit.
Once played a game called Outpost. It had security stations you could build. And you could select the law enforcement methods. Either benevolent or malevolent. |
Stay Thirsty
The Chosen Children
3
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Posted - 2013.05.26 03:14:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.
OK, since I am an alt, and speak fluent alt-ease, perhaps I can translate the OP.
"Me and my two friends from junior high school spent a long time talking mom into letting us use her credit card to buy enough PLEX so we could shop on the character bazaar. We didn't have real skills, and needed to buy a toon that could fly a Ganknado. We wardecked a small corp that was mainly trade station alts and a couple PVE toons. Now we find that they are never in Jita space, so it is apparent they are always using a system that is only active about 10% of the time. We are also unable to use locator agents so it is impossible to find where they are doing their PVE that we so desperately want to gank. Although we have heard something called jumper clothes that let people log in and automatically move to another system, this can't possibly be the same. To make my point I am going to use a very bad word my mom said to never use.
If someone is at war they should be forced to undock into our insta-lock station camp so we can get the real PVP we spent all this money to enjoy. CCP should immediately remove a vital technical design because it doesn't allow us to have the awesome and brave PVP experience." |
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Stay Thirsty
The Chosen Children
3
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Posted - 2013.05.26 03:17:00 -
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And I shouldn't use an Ipad that double posts. |
Stay Thirsty
The Chosen Children
3
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Posted - 2013.05.26 03:17:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
206
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Posted - 2013.05.27 13:15:00 -
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Khemax wrote:How about get a life and start killing people that can fight back. Sitting outside jita waiting for defenceless war targets no doubt... Another griefer who needs to get a life and grow a pair Its not called PvP in Jita its called Duck shooting, it requires neither skills nor intelligence as obvious from the people that do it
Because his targets cant undock Vindicators in Jita (such a rare ship cant even be purchased there, right?), they cant use a little fleet of guardian alts, his targets most definitely wont have a neutral ogb alt, and so on...
Sometimes it feels that people like you want to convince themselves how there are only ships for "griefers" and t1 industrials on highsec markets. |
Pax Thar
S.O. Sovereign Fleet
59
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:58:00 -
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Lol griefer tears. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
170
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Posted - 2013.05.27 15:57:00 -
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It occurs to me that there's a strategic flaw in a plan that is absolutely dependent on the predators' targets being bottled up in the Jita trade hub with no way to leave except to undock under the predators' guns. Namely: there's more than one way out. (See above re: clone jumping etc.)
Also, the predators should not be surprised when their targets look for ways to screw up the predators' plans. The targets are not red crosses that will obligingly line up and behave predictably for the enjoyment of the predators; they will be looking for any means at their disposal to frustrate the predators.
"No battle plan survives contact with the enemy; that's why they're called 'the enemy'." -various "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Cage Man
215
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:18:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.
If you have less neutral reppers it would be easier to move.. Have you tried LS or NS??? this never happens there, oh wait.. the neutral reppers.. sorry.. bad idea.. Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2013.05.28 06:06:00 -
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Sitting on an undock and docking up at the first sign of actual danger is kinda setting the bar rather low for "PvP" isn't it? |
Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain
Remanaquie Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:58:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:You all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well.
Accuses WTs of cowardice. Posts his whine with an alt. That's the REAL point. Nuff said. |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
272
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:23:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards. If you have less neutral reppers it would be easier to move.. Have you tried LS or NS??? this never happens there, oh wait.. the neutral reppers.. sorry.. bad idea..
In null sec, no one is neutral. Hell, we even shoot friendlies in another alliance when they do stupid ****. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
644
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:08:00 -
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So much burn in a single topic...
Either that or:
Dawwww so cute.
Not sure which one to chose as reply to OP |
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Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
14
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:25:00 -
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Eve is not about playing the game.
Eve is about playing the programming, and paying money for virtual items. |
Melvin Earl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:44:00 -
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Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?
Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:18:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards. Well I think you got it all wrong. avoiding the war dec isn't the problem, the pop limit is the problem. 20 caps in low sec hogging the flops because they want to use all their fighters or 200 people in jita? I see the 20 are obviously more important. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
652
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:56:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?
Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed.
Entitled much?
Why should your fee be reimbursed? You can shoot your targets else where. You could hunt them down outside of Jita. Heck, you guys could camp one if the few pipes like Nomma or Sivala that form choke points going to jita. It's your choice for only hunting targets in Jita, why should anyone even read your petition?
Seems to me, you need to find better tactics or targets instead of wasting GM's time on petitions that will go no where. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
116
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:35:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.
If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards. Well I think you got it all wrong. avoiding the war dec isn't the problem, the pop limit is the problem. 20 caps in low sec hogging the flops because they want to use all their fighters or 200 people in jita? I see the 20 are obviously more important.
You don't understand the issue at all. The Jita system is on the best hardware CCP has, and there are no other systems on that server. The "20 guys in caps a LS system" don't impact Jita at all. The only thing that will raise the population cap in Jita is better hardware or better programming. Neither of which are possible in the short term as CCP has done the easy optimizations, and is using the faster server for Jita they have.
PS- Why not get a life and war dec some one who actually wants to fight back. Or go to LS, NS, and wormhole space where there are lots of people itching to fight. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
UKBigWolf
38
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:32:00 -
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Could go to Fountain, I hear plenty of fights to be had for everyone |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
187
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:38:00 -
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So long as Jita's slamming into its population cap, the camp-the-undock tactic has an unavoidable massive hole. The OP's targets have a way to deny the aggressors easy kills; of course they're going to take advantage of it.
Also, the OP is nearly a month old, which means that either the war-dec payment was renewed, or it expired and the OP corp re-decced the target corp, in full awareness that their targets knew about the population-cap evasion tactic, and are still trying to use the same tactic whose failure they were bemoaning earlier.
There are any number of other ways to aggress against another corporation. Use locator agents; that's why they're in the game. Use neutral scouts to determine their operating patterns, and try to confront them at their home base. Bait them out by offering them a target and having a knuckle-duster ready for when and if they bite.
And frankly, there's a word for trying the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
...oh, and were the British and French acting like cowards at Dunkirk, for escaping instead of waiting to be slaughtered? "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers S2N Citizens
67
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:49:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Any word if this exploit has been fixed?
International Association of Psychiatry (IAP) is interested in you as a patient. Please introduce yourself to our office. "Strait jackets for everyone" is our motto.
\o/ |
Blake Gates Heleneto
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
67
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:25:00 -
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This thread is still going? Jesus *facepalm* |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:31:00 -
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I have an easy fix for you, war decc about 100 different corporations that routinely undock out of and haul out of jita.
This should guarantee you targets all in a jita day long. |
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