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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:00:00 -
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A couple of weeks ago I was browsing the For Sale section of these forums and come across a raven bpo (ME:20) starting at 500 mil with a reserve of 1 bil or something like that. One person has bid 500 mil. I ignore it as 1 bil is too much to pay if I was going to sell it on and make a profit.
Anyway, a couple of days later I notice the auction is at the top of the list. It has just finished. I am shocked to find that 40 minutes before the end, the seller said he would let it go to whatever the highest bid was. Then somone bid 525 mil. And that was that. It would appear he had one.
So a corpmate convos the guy with an alt and offers 600 mil for it, however the seller is true to his word and refuses to do a deal.
So I log onto an alt and convo the seller, pretending to be the guy who won the auction's alt. It works and I pickup the bpo for 525 mil and sell it later that night for 890 mil. A tidy profit for a few minutes work.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 18/10/2005 15:06:04
 Originally by: Shin Ra
So I log onto an alt and convo the seller,
I'd say if they petition you're going to find your wallet missing money because I am pretty sure scamming when the auction section of the forum is involved is a big no, no.
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:06:00 -
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and this is intresting why? You're proud you scammed somebody and now everybody has to know? Typical of you Shin Ra
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:25:00 -
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More of a warning to ppl to watch out for others doing this sort of thing.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:36:00 -
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If i was the person who was meant to be claiming this BPO i would petetion it, coz theres a difference between "legal" scamming and what you have done.
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Fox'Ray
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:50:00 -
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low, very very low
I believe a petition is in order
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:56:00 -
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Social engineering is legal, get over it.
But he's also a filthy liar, pretending he cares about anyone. Such a blatant attention grab it makes me wonder if you wear a costume to every party you go to. 
Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: ParMizaN on 18/10/2005 15:59:16
well done, if its inside the rules .. playing on peoples stupidity is the best form of justice :)
edit for unfortunate spelling mistake 
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:06:00 -
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Lets petition for CCP to introduce RSA public and private keys to ensure our in-game identity. :)
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
More of a warning to ppl to watch out for others doing this sort of thing.
Ah, it was a warning, not a gloat? ^^
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Social engineering is legal, get over it.
But he's also a filthy liar, pretending he cares about anyone. Such a blatant attention grab it makes me wonder if you wear a costume to every party you go to.
Actually, it's not.
It's a bannable offence.
Quote:
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator, CCP or Siminn employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin.
Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Dr jekyII
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:37:00 -
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borrow me 200m? |
Savatage CMA
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:56:00 -
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Hey Shin Ra want to buy another one for the same price...I am sure we all can put one up on escrow for you and you can buy them all
Mine, Build, Sell, Mine, Build, Sell, Mine, Build, Sell...seems like work to me. |
Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
It's a bannable offence.
Quote:
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator, CCP or Siminn employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
It would look like just being down some ISK would be a stroke of luck for Shin Ra.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2005.10.18 17:48:00 -
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Now all you need is a WCS BPO, ohh wait
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Zarithas
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Posted - 2005.10.18 19:08:00 -
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Well, look on the bright side. It isn't too much of a scam, he still paid 525 mil. But still, hehe, that was a damn good scam.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.18 21:04:00 -
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It isn't a bannable offense, though lame.
Scamming using the forums can get you forum banned, but not banned from EVE. In addition, he did not even use the forums to scam--he simply took advantage of the situation and did some social engineering. He never bid on the auction, so its not even against forum rules.
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.10.18 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 18/10/2005 21:08:21
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It isn't a bannable offense, though lame.
Scamming using the forums can get you forum banned, but not banned from EVE.
I'll put good money on that the GM's will correct it since no matter what way you look at it, he used a forum sale to scam someone AND the rules clearly state forum and GAME impersonation is not allowed.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.10.18 21:23:00 -
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the seller got his 525m, the only person who lost out was the guy who actually won the auction. however, letting everyone know and acting like you did something special is sad and pathetic, not that i ever had any respect for shin ra. so i dont really care. why am i even posting here... hrmmm guess im bored at work. 
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.10.19 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
It isn't a bannable offense, though lame.
Scamming using the forums can get you forum banned, but not banned from EVE. In addition, he did not even use the forums to scam--he simply took advantage of the situation and did some social engineering. He never bid on the auction, so its not even against forum rules.
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
Like Dionysus Davinci said and my quote of the rules clearly says: Impersonating another player on the forums OR ingame is indeed something that can get you banned from EVE (not only forums).
"Of course" they won't ban him for what he did, but still...
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin.
Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2005.10.19 08:18:00 -
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think i'm gona throw up... |
Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.10.19 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Social engineering is legal, get over it.
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SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Social engineering is legal, get over it.
You can call it whatever- but it's still sick. |
JoKane
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: JoKane on 19/10/2005 18:27:26
The buu huu factor in this thread is big. Well played Shin Ra.
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 19/10/2005 18:48:12
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It isn't a bannable offense, though lame.
Scamming using the forums can get you forum banned, but not banned from EVE. In addition, he did not even use the forums to scam--he simply took advantage of the situation and did some social engineering. He never bid on the auction, so its not even against forum rules.
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
Like Dionysus Davinci said and my quote of the rules clearly says: Impersonating another player on the forums OR ingame is indeed something that can get you banned from EVE (not only forums).
"Of course" they won't ban him for what he did, but still...
i think that "impersonating" is meant in RL terms, not ingame char name.
Those rules are meant to protect CCP from lawsuits, as long as RL isn't concerned , and since EvE is a pvp game those kind of stuff is legal imo.
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Ghost22
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:49:00 -
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Banned you shall be.
Not as if its a loss to the eve community or anything.
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.10.19 19:16:00 -
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3 cheers for Shin Ra!
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Benson Edges
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Posted - 2005.10.19 20:42:00 -
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Shin Ra, you can get a Raven BPO for 600k nowadays if you look hard enough.
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.10.20 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
Depends. If Shin Ra made an alt to mimick the person who really won the BPO, then yes, its probably bannable.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.20 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
Depends. If Shin Ra made an alt to mimick the person who really won the BPO, then yes, its probably bannable.
How so? The only impersonating that isn't allowed is impersonating a dev/ISD/GM. Show me where it says you can't impersonate a player, and I'll show you a few thousand people that need banning.
There have been hundreds of thefts and scams in EVE history using tricks such as "Oh I'm your CEO on another account, I need access plz" and such, and none has ever even been though to be bannable.
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Ausere
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Posted - 2005.10.20 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
Edited by: ParMizaN on 18/10/2005 15:59:16
well done, if its inside the rules .. playing on peoples stupidity is the best form of justice :)
edit for unfortunate spelling mistake
I do hope an elderly relative of yours gets scammed by a double glazing impersonator.
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Poseiden
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ausere
Originally by: ParMizaN
Edited by: ParMizaN on 18/10/2005 15:59:16
well done, if its inside the rules .. playing on peoples stupidity is the best form of justice :)
edit for unfortunate spelling mistake
I do hope an elderly relative of yours gets scammed by a double glazing impersonator.
Repeat after me... "Eve is a game"
and post with your main alt-tard.
Pose.
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Ausere
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Poseiden
Originally by: Ausere
Originally by: ParMizaN
Edited by: ParMizaN on 18/10/2005 15:59:16
well done, if its inside the rules .. playing on peoples stupidity is the best form of justice :)
edit for unfortunate spelling mistake
I do hope an elderly relative of yours gets scammed by a double glazing impersonator.
Repeat after me... "Eve is a game"
and post with your main alt-tard.
Pose.
Heh, tell that to some of the others.
It was joke, a bad one yes, but a joke.
and this is my main Re-tard.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:56:00 -
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Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator, CCP or Siminn employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
Impersonating another forum user, I think that says it quite clearly
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.10.20 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
Depends. If Shin Ra made an alt to mimick the person who really won the BPO, then yes, its probably bannable.
How so? The only impersonating that isn't allowed is impersonating a dev/ISD/GM. Show me where it says you can't impersonate a player, and I'll show you a few thousand people that need banning.
There have been hundreds of thefts and scams in EVE history using tricks such as "Oh I'm your CEO on another account, I need access plz" and such, and none has ever even been though to be bannable.
To your left, under EVE INSIDER -> Forums there is -> Rules.
And there is the quote I posted.
But yes, they aren't very strict on enforcing that rule, hehe.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin.
Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Prestidigitator
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Posted - 2005.10.23 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/10/2005 11:04:46
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator, CCP or Siminn employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
Impersonating another forum user, I think that says it quite clearly
i'm the alt of a dev.
escrow me all your stuff or your accounts are soooo history.
...4tw!
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.10.23 20:45:00 -
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I touched Shin Ra in FanFest. I even have some nekkid pixs of h....e.....r !!
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sweetpain on 23/10/2005 22:50:07
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Yes, its lame.
Yes, the auctioneer wasn't very smart.
But bannable? No.
Depends. If Shin Ra made an alt to mimick the person who really won the BPO, then yes, its probably bannable.
How so? The only impersonating that isn't allowed is impersonating a dev/ISD/GM. Show me where it says you can't impersonate a player, and I'll show you a few thousand people that need banning.
There have been hundreds of thefts and scams in EVE history using tricks such as "Oh I'm your CEO on another account, I need access plz" and such, and none has ever even been though to be bannable.
When i post im not impersonating anyone even that i am a character of three on the same account, Now if i was to say one of those three characters is Dark Shikari, and that i post now only to bring life back in to the thread, i would be impersonating, or would I not. maybe i just tell the truth and are not impersonating at all.
Not that i are Dark Shikari or anything, or am I dark?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.23 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/10/2005 11:04:46
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator, CCP or Siminn employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
Impersonating another forum user, I think that says it quite clearly
Hmm, seems like a lot of people need the banstick 
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.10.24 03:54:00 -
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good, frankly , after playing mmorpgs for 10+ yrs now i am sick of friking arses rippin ppl off, scamming, braggin in lewt speek, and the not.
not that i dont condon a good burn, and revenge is revenge , but the scamming issure always had ****ed me off to no end.
guys that like to scam usually end up on the recieving end of a baseball bat if you know what I mean.
/pats his bat
-Baby can you dig your man-
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.10.24 06:18:00 -
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The bragging isn't smart, but the scam was.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.10.24 08:35:00 -
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omg, is Shin Ra finally gonna get teh bannzor? I heard he almost got his ass kicked by Eyeshadow at FanFest too... WTB video footage...
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2005.10.24 09:43:00 -
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Quote:
I do hope an elderly relative of yours gets scammed by a double glazing impersonator.
And I hope one of your young relatives gets physically attacked/stolen from for something you did!?
.....
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Cibe
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Posted - 2005.10.24 09:49:00 -
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Forgive my noobishness but I don't understand how this actually happened.
Example :
I'm selling an item on a forum auction and some guy called bidder1 for example wins the auction.
So I tell bidder1 to log his character in and collect his win.
Some other guy called scammer1 logs in, tells me he is bidder1s alt and to give him the win.
There is no way I'm gonna give it to this guy.
If the seller has any sense he is gonna give the goods to the character who won it, no matter what excuse the guy gives for not using that character (he's 40 jumps away, his ship got blown up and he has to hitchhike etc)
I say 'fair play' to Shin Ra for having the balls to try this and 'WTF' to the seller who gave it away without checking the authenticity of the purchaser.
Shin, could you clear something up for me?
You said that you convoed the seller and asked him where you could pick up your BPO but did you ever have to explicitly tell him who you were?
From your description it seems like you just said, 'Where can I pick up my BPO' without ever actually saying you were the guy who won the auction.
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.10.24 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cibe
Forgive my noobishness but I don't understand how this actually happened.
Example :
I'm selling an item on a forum auction and some guy called bidder1 for example wins the auction.
So I tell bidder1 to log his character in and collect his win.
Some other guy called scammer1 logs in, tells me he is bidder1s alt and to give him the win.
There is no way I'm gonna give it to this guy.
If the seller has any sense he is gonna give the goods to the character who won it, no matter what excuse the guy gives for not using that character (he's 40 jumps away, his ship got blown up and he has to hitchhike etc)
I say 'fair play' to Shin Ra for having the balls to try this and 'WTF' to the seller who gave it away without checking the authenticity of the purchaser.
Shin, could you clear something up for me?
You said that you convoed the seller and asked him where you could pick up your BPO but did you ever have to explicitly tell him who you were?
From your description it seems like you just said, 'Where can I pick up my BPO' without ever actually saying you were the guy who won the auction.
Easy just dont care what they say they are, even if they say their the president, just tell them to log in the character that won the bid.
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franny
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Posted - 2005.10.24 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cibe
Forgive my noobishness but I don't understand how this actually happened.
I had this as my sig line in my email for years, 2 people ever pointed out the error(one was my cousin, the other my 2nd line mgr)
remember common sense isn't that commom
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.10.24 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 24/10/2005 19:53:01
Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
omg, is Shin Ra finally gonna get teh bannzor? I heard he almost got his ass kicked by Eyeshadow at FanFest too... WTB video footage...
Really? First I've heard of it. I said hello to him and he continued looking into space although he obviously heard me. That was the extend of our meeting.
Something almost kicked off at the London meet, but it was just a lot of hot air.
Post fanfest flaming 4tw. If someone has something to say, why not do it AT the fanfest rather than 360 days before the next one.
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AGVdfASDFadfAQ
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Posted - 2005.10.24 21:17:00 -
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I can't decide what is more sad, someone fighting Shin Ra over a internets game or Shin Ra purposly trying to start a fight by going out of his way to **** people in RL over a game.
And yes, You where trying to **** the guy off Shin Ra.
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