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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:30:00 -
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so increasing the price of plex 2 billion
People buy plex has 2 billion
prices of everything goes up based on that your 2 bill is now worth 500m by today's isk standards.
come back to forums and rage about the price of plex...
Yep seems legit.
can i has the number to your dealer??
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Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:35:00 -
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CCP said on fanfest that they are closely monitoring the plex market and even intervened at some point, it's simply not gonna happen. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
501
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:55:00 -
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:so increasing the price of plex 2 billion
People buy plex has 2 billion
prices of everything goes up based on that your 2 bill is now worth 500m by today's isk standards.
come back to forums and rage about the price of plex...
Yep seems legit.
can i has the number to your dealer??
Of course PLEX will never sell in game for more than people can pay for it. It will always be possible to to fund accounts with in game currency, and it wont cost more than what people are willing to pay for it.
The point of the OP is that; selling PLEX this way provides more value to the players in game who are purchasing it to fund their sub. The time they have to make that ISK is also time in game interacting with the universe and learning about it.
This thread was and is just a discussion about how to provide more value to the player who is paying cash for the PLEX and selling it in-game.
The easiest way to do this would be for CCP to subsidize PLEX with in game goods. There are of course huge ramifications to such a thing and the talk has shifted about how to mitigate those.
But the PLEX to play option in Eve is brilliant, and I'm quite sure its here to stay. so no worries on that front. -áKick ass soundtrack and Eve Pewpew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvc4KljpRGI |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2111
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:07:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:The point of the OP is that; selling PLEX this way provides more value to the players in game who are purchasing it to fund their sub. The time they have to make that ISK is also time in game interacting with the universe and learning about it. The thing you're overlooking with that argument is that the increased value for these PLEX-buying people will come at the expense of everyone else, until a new market equilibrium is achieved. Every Megathron you give away with a PLEX means that an in-game producer of Megathrons is making less of a profit for the same amount of effort, with a portion of the profit being essentially given to the PLEX buyer.
Once again, until market equilibrium is achieved, all you'd be doing is redistributing wealth. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9474
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:17:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:The point of the OP is that; selling PLEX this way provides more value to the players in game who are purchasing it to fund their sub. The time they have to make that ISK is also time in game interacting with the universe and learning about it. The thing you're overlooking with that argument is that the increased value for these PLEX-buying people will come at the expense of everyone else, until a new market equilibrium is achieved. Every Megathron you give away with a PLEX means that an in-game producer of Megathrons is making less of a profit for the same amount of effort, with a portion of the profit being essentially given to the PLEX buyer. Once again, until market equilibrium is achieved, all you'd be doing is redistributing wealth.
But surely Megathrons just appear magically on the market?! People only play EVE the exact same way I play it, and nothing they do has any secondary effects on me.
Therefore CCP can just give me goodies with no consequences.
1 Kings 12:11
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:32:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote: My goals........
WTF does any of this have to do with unbalancing the eve economy? You, sir, are a troll. And you clearly didn't read my flowchart. I am a "troll" with 2000+ hits on a thread about shifting the advantage to those players who pay for the game. You are a guy with a flow chart that no one read.
2000 hits, and have you had a single reply that didn't tell you "you are horribly wrong"?
Just GTFO already, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, no idea of the consequences your idea would wrought, and no idea that everyone is laughing at you.
But no, in 2000 instances, someone has clicked on your topic (I've done it 3 times) so that must mean you're right.
Right?
Troll.
edit: the flowchart has sound advice that has been repeated over 2000 times in the forums, since, well, FOREVER (a.k.a. since people have been having ideas as stupid as yours). I just distilled that advice into an easy-to-understand form. Try some logic one for size, just once. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
424
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:38:00 -
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If PLEX was at least 1bil, I'd buy it for real currency and sell if for ISK.
But crappy 500m ISK is not worth it imho. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
367
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:01:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Murk Paradox wrote: Doesn't mean they do.
Hell, they could turn off the server if they wanted. Doesn't mean they do just because they can.
There's a certain level of trust involved when you give someone your money to play with their toys.
I don't understand this; are you saying that you trust CCP to do something that they never said they were doing? Every so often you see adds for "Player driven economy" or whatever, that doesn't mean it isn't regulated. There are very few totally unregulated economies in the world, and none as big as the Eve economy to my knowledge. Money, including ISK, is an entirely contrived idea that only has value because everyone accepts it. In the U.S. it is the law that you accept it, and people that don't or those that try and issue competing currency end up in prison. The point is that money must be managed as there really is no absolute value to it. All economies are like this, including Eve's.
Considering I give them money, yes I trust them to provide a game where I can play. The second I don't like it, I can pull my sub.
It;s like the argument that a player will make about CCP's sub base- "Devs wont change it because it will affect subscriptions" which is folly because devs and marketing are 2 separate entities with different priorities and are unrelated.
Not to mention CCP's business model is, quite frankly, none of our business. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
368
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:17:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:I'm sure CCP can figure out how to add some value to PLEX for people that buy it with real money and at the same time keep the "grind time" for those PLEXing their accounts to the same level that it is now. They can give people gold ship paints, or silly fruit hats for the character creator or something. Cosmetic stuff that doesn't mess with the economy, but gives "value." I'm not against that. Heck, I might buy a PLEX to get a fancy fruit hat. Or cat ears. But I'd quit the game for good if it gave me a normal Megathron. Corey Fumimasa wrote: I think the model would be better if it was a bit more equal, or even a bit shifted to giving players who pay real money for the game the advantage. All trolling aside, that's not a good idea, for obvious reasons. Why? because you would leave if you didn't have an advantage? Eve is a game about competition and interaction with other players. That process is limited when relative power levels are too far apart. If CCP moves them closer together then there will be more interaction.
Pay to win is a last ditch effort to reign in final subscribers to encourage microtransactions for a dying company/game.
Not a valid business model for a healthy system. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
50
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:29:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:If PLEX was at least 1bil, I'd buy it for real currency and sell if for ISK.
But crappy 500m ISK is not worth it imho.
stupid stupid, there are some really short sighted people posting in here, if the price of plex reach 1 bill that could only mean a few things.
- Less people are buying plex to pay for their accounts (could be real world related)
- Ingame inflation (your 500 million of stuff is now worth 1 billion)
- Less people are buying plex to sell ingame (Could mean less of them are playing or they have less money in real life)
Eve is real. |
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Joxxy
Vrane Club
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:44:00 -
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Basicly - no ...
I pay with PLEX because I can.
So far I have played with PLEX and before that with ISK bought GTCs for past few years ( cca 6 years or so, on and off )....
when I have enough ISK to loose ships like candy and pay PLEX, I do it.
When ISK is low and a battlecruiser sounds liek an investement - RL money it is.
Can I pay EVE with IRL money ? Sure. Then why dont I ? Because Im cheap and watch over every $ I spend. If there is some extra at the end of teh month, put it aside for rainy day or on kids account. Either way, hide from yourself and dont spend it ... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9477
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:47:00 -
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BTW just so we are all clear: I feel very confident in saying that every single one of CSM8 is unalterably opposed to this terrible idea, and if for some unfathomable reason the subject came up, we would advise CCP in the strongest terms not to pursue it.
PLEX as they stand are a brilliant solution to a number of problems that modern MMOs face, and they're probably one of the biggest factors in EVE's continued survival and success. To risk killing a golden goose like that would be incredibly foolish.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1860
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:59:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Look. Chances are if you are buying plex with isk, you are most likley earning less than minimum wage in a sense.
If you work at McDonalds in the USA and work two hours you can pay for a month subscription for $7.50 and hour. For working 4 hours you can earn subscription and a plex.
Basically if you cannot make your subscription plus 500 million isk with 4 hours of EVE then you are wasting your time.
Unless, you are enjoying playing EVE more than working at McDonalds then I suppose its not that bad.
Yes, i enjoy playing EVE for HOURS killing NPCs and getting loot while drinking beer and talking on comms more than i do spending another 37 minutes are work dealing with crack heads, stick up kids and (even worse) Lieutenants and Captains just trying to live long enough to retire lol.
The whole "just work more hours IRL to buy space-cash in a video game" has always been silly to me when you can just play the video game and they HAND you the space-cash (npc bounties in my case).
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:33:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote: I wonder how people who make $100 a month working their fingers off feel about you not getting more ISK for your allowance money. Someone making $100 a month won't be here reading and should have got an education. It's not my problem or concern... IE: I don't give a ****...
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
503
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:BTW just so we are all clear: I feel very confident in saying that every single one of CSM8 is unalterably opposed to this terrible idea, and if for some unfathomable reason the subject came up, we would advise CCP in the strongest terms not to pursue it.
PLEX as they stand are a brilliant solution to a number of problems that modern MMOs face, and they're probably one of the biggest factors in EVE's continued survival and success. To risk killing a golden goose like that would be incredibly foolish.
Bah... Corey Fumimasa CSM9! Set the Goose to Free.
-áKick ass soundtrack and Eve Pewpew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvc4KljpRGI |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:20:00 -
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Right...The CSM that really has no authority to do a damned thing except talk...What a complete waste of time and effort... |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
368
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:22:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Right...The CSM that really has no authority to do a damned thing except talk...What a complete waste of time and effort...
It's not what you say, it's who you say it to.
As much as I can argue with Malcanis, I cannot dispute his level of involvement nor do I think it's a bad thing for Eve.
(Yes, I even voted for him).
This with the knowledge that we don't see eye to eye or have, at times, the same viewpoint.
Rather have him speak to CCP than worry about his own personal agenda. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9485
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:55:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Malcanis wrote:BTW just so we are all clear: I feel very confident in saying that every single one of CSM8 is unalterably opposed to this terrible idea, and if for some unfathomable reason the subject came up, we would advise CCP in the strongest terms not to pursue it.
PLEX as they stand are a brilliant solution to a number of problems that modern MMOs face, and they're probably one of the biggest factors in EVE's continued survival and success. To risk killing a golden goose like that would be incredibly foolish. Bah... Corey Fumimasa CSM9! Set the Goose to Free.
Yes the incredible level of support you have received for this idea augers well for your campaign. I will watch your political career with interest.
(When I'm interested in something, it looks a lot like I'm stifling laughter and eating popcorn. Don't worry about that though.)
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9485
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:57:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Right...The CSM that really has no authority to do a damned thing except talk...What a complete waste of time and effort...
Awww don't worry, friend. I'm sure that one day, someone will be interested in one of your opinions
1 Kings 12:11
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