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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1884
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Posted - 2013.05.22 03:14:00 -
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Ellen Thrace wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Ellen Thrace wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Automation = No one at keyboard. Software makes decisions or follows a script and continues interacting with the game client without user input.
Automation DOES NOT mean "no one at keyboard" or "without user input" Quote:auGÇótoGÇómaGÇótion (-î+ö t+Ö-ême+¬ -â+Ön) n. 1. the technique, method, or system of operating or controlling a process by highly automatic means, as by electronic devices, reducing human intervention to a MINIMUM. It has already been discussed on another thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=217614 In the context of why CCP allows replication (i.e. isboxer) and not automation (a bot) that's exactly what it means. If that was the case it would mean that CCP officially allows bots. Meanwhile why dont you give us your own opinion if this should be allowed or not ?
No it doesn't mean that.
If you walk away from the keyboard and are using isboxer, it stops interacting with the game client.
If you walk away from the keyboard and are running an automation process (a bot), it continues interacting with the game client as a human would without any actual human involvement.
That's about as clear as it gets. The second you go afk and software you are using is manipulating the game client like a human would, without your interaction, you are botting.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Ellen Thrace
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 03:26:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
No it doesn't mean that.
If you walk away from the keyboard and are using isboxer, it stops interacting with the game client.
If you walk away from the keyboard and are running an automation process (a bot), it continues interacting with the game client as a human would without any actual human involvement.
That's about as clear as it gets. The second you go afk and software you are using is manipulating the game client like a human would, without your interaction, you are botting.
I endorse CCP's stated policy on this.
Botting is bad m'kay, but if a player can afford to subsidize enough accounts where they actually need something like isboxer, so what, it's more $$ to CCP.
edit: added my opinion
Since you have the same view as you say CCP has, let me rephrase. A bot is what it is , not what you or anyone else thinks it is.
And thank you for your opinion. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1884
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Posted - 2013.05.22 03:32:00 -
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Ellen Thrace wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
No it doesn't mean that.
If you walk away from the keyboard and are using isboxer, it stops interacting with the game client.
If you walk away from the keyboard and are running an automation process (a bot), it continues interacting with the game client as a human would without any actual human involvement.
That's about as clear as it gets. The second you go afk and software you are using is manipulating the game client like a human would, without your interaction, you are botting.
I endorse CCP's stated policy on this.
Botting is bad m'kay, but if a player can afford to subsidize enough accounts where they actually need something like isboxer, so what, it's more $$ to CCP.
edit: added my opinion
Since you have the same view as you say CCP has, let me rephrase. A bot is what it is , not what you or anyone else thinks it is. And thank you for your opinion.
O.K. then what is a bot if not something that works for you, without any further intervention/interaction from you, other than setting it to its task while you are absent? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
19
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:15:00 -
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I multibox but don't use ISboxer. I accept that using ISboxer doesn't "break the rules" but I do think it violates the spirit of the game and as such I'd ban it. I think that multiboxing has enough advantages "as is" without making things easier.
If CCP were genuinely in favour of programs like ISboxer they would have made their own in-game version and made you train up skills to use it. Just because ISboxer doesn't violate the EULA currently doesn't mean that CCP like it either. Given that you pay for the advantage of using multiple characters I expect CCP will introduce a charge or cost for the convenience and advantages over multiboxing that ISboxer has because that's EVE; you want convenience - you pay for it and you can have it.
Coming soon - overmind control system and skillbook or something. |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
2904
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:04:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:I can put a lot more nails into a piece of wood with a hammer than with my thumb. I don't call a hammer automation.
No, but I'd call a robot that holds 15 hammers and replicates your hammer hits with them automation.
Just like a program that modifies and controls a game client is a bot.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
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GM Lelouch
Game Masters C C P Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:30:00 -
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Hello ya'll, hope you're having a good day.
CCP Stillman recently wrote a dev blog about client modifications and our stance towards them. The dev blog also touched on the subject of third-party programs and I feel it is very relevant to the discussion in this thread. I encourage those of you who haven't read it to give it a look, this blog actually makes for great coffeetable reading and those of you who've already indulged may even want to print out your very own copy to share with friends and family!
Multiboxing is not inherently in violation of our EULA, a player is not breaking the EVE game rules by virtue of simultaneously operating multiple accounts alone. Multiboxing software can however be in violation of the EULA.
CCP can and will not officially endorse or condone specific pieces of third-party software and ISBoxer is no exception to this. I will make this very clear: CCP does not officially endorse ISBoxer or any other multiboxing software. Use of third-party programs is, as outlined in Stillman's blog, done entirely at your own risk and we'll quite simply not be able to state outright that this software or that software can be legitimately used under the EVE EULA since they are after all third-party programs.
Let us make an example to illustrate why:
'Hypothetical Software v1.0' is released to the joy of all and is eventually endorsed by CCP as a fine supplement to EVE; the program is officially declared to not be in violation of the EVE EULA/ToS. Some weeks later, the developers of 'Hypothetical Software' releases an update, version 1.1, an update which adds macro mining functionality to the program's existing features. Automating the mining portion of the game is obviously in violation of the EVE EULA so use of 'Hypothetical Software' would suddenly become a EULA violation despite prior endorsement by CCP.
There are a lot of great third-party developers creating fantastic tools to supplement the EVE experience and this is all fine and dandy. As EVE grows, so does the amount of third-party programs developed for EVE and we cannot realistically review and condone these tools on an individual basis and use of such programs is therefore done at your own risk.
We can prohibit and warn against the use of software which we know without a doubt to contain components which violate the EULA. Any program which enables the Autopilot to 0 client modification falls under this for example: if you use a piece of software which enables you to autopilot to 0, you can expect a permanent suspension of your account as you are in gross violation of the EULA.
In addition to CCP Stillman's blog which I linked at the top of this post, I'd also like to bring your attention to the following page which outlines our official policy on third-party programs: Third-party policies Best regards, Lead GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support |
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KasparHauser
Tiny Blue Dorks
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:10:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay.
Absolutely, but it can be done without 3rd party applications. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
125
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:58:00 -
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KasparHauser wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Absolutely, but it can be done without 3rd party software.
But why would you want to do that? If multiboxing is valid gameplay, then why limit yourself with how you can multibox?
Managing skill plans is a bit tedious and a lot of players use EveMon to manage their skills. Do you also have a problem with EveMon?
Keeping track of a bunch of players is difficult so a lot of people use sites such as evewho.com. Do you have a problem with people who use evewho.com?
Keeping track of market prices is difficult so a lot of people use market web sites to get market information. Do you have a problem with market web sites?
The in game map doesn't have all the information people would like it to have so they use sites such as dotlan. Do you have a problem with dotlan?
Managing ship fitting is difficult so a lot of people use ship fitting software such as EFT? Do you have a problem with 3rd party ship fitting tools?
I think the real problem here is you want multiboxing to be hard because you just don't like multiboxing. Well you are entitled to your opinion, but I will state it again:
Multiboxing is valid gameplay. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
153
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:01:00 -
[129] - Quote
Jason Xado wrote:KasparHauser wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Absolutely, but it can be done without 3rd party software. But why would you want to do that? If multiboxing is valid gameplay, then why limit yourself with how you can multibox? Managing skill plans is a bit tedious and a lot of players use EveMon to manage their skills. Do you also have a problem with EveMon? Managing skills is valid gameplay. Keeping track of a bunch of players is difficult so a lot of people use sites such as evewho.com. Do you have a problem with people who use evewho.com? Keeping track of other players is valid gameplay. Keeping track of market prices is difficult so a lot of people use market web sites to get market information. Do you have a problem with market web sites? Watching market prices is valid gameplay. The in game map doesn't have all the information people would like it to have so they use sites such as dotlan. Do you have a problem with dotlan? Looking at the map is valid gameplay. Managing ship fitting is difficult so a lot of people use ship fitting software such as EFT? Do you have a problem with 3rd party ship fitting tools? Managing ship fittings if valid gameplay. I think the real problem here is you want multiboxing to be hard because you just don't like multiboxing. Well you are entitled to your opinion, but I will state it again: Multiboxing is valid gameplay.
Evemon, Dotlan, Eve Central, EFT, and others are Third party apps which CCP stated is against the EULA. Now CCP also stated that they are only going after people using 3rd party Apps that give them an unfair advantage in the game. That said, like CCP has stated over & over, use all those third party apps AT YOUR OWN RISK.
So your point of valid gameplay is wrong. You choose to play the game using those tools, then you choose to take the risk of being banned because you are breaking the EULA technically.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
424
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:37:00 -
[130] - Quote
GM Lelouch wrote:Hello ya'll, hope you're having a good day. CCP Stillman recently wrote a dev blog about client modifications and our stance towards them. The dev blog also touched on the subject of third-party programs and I feel it is very relevant to the discussion in this thread. I encourage those of you who haven't read it to give it a look, this blog actually makes for great coffeetable reading and those of you who've already indulged may even want to print out your very own copy to share with friends and family! Multiboxing is not inherently in violation of our EULA, a player is not breaking the EVE game rules by virtue of simultaneously operating multiple accounts alone. Multiboxing software can however be in violation of the EULA. CCP can and will not officially endorse or condone specific pieces of third-party software and ISBoxer is no exception to this. I will make this very clear: CCP does not officially endorse ISBoxer or any other multiboxing software. Use of third-party programs is, as outlined in Stillman's blog, done entirely at your own risk and we'll quite simply not be able to state outright that this software or that software can be legitimately used under the EVE EULA since they are after all third-party programs. Let us make an example to illustrate why: 'Hypothetical Software v1.0' is released to the joy of all and is eventually endorsed by CCP as a fine supplement to EVE; the program is officially declared to not be in violation of the EVE EULA/ToS. Some weeks later, the developers of 'Hypothetical Software' releases an update, version 1.1, an update which adds macro mining functionality to the program's existing features. Automating the mining portion of the game is obviously in violation of the EVE EULA so use of 'Hypothetical Software' would suddenly become a EULA violation despite prior endorsement by CCP. There are a lot of great third-party developers creating fantastic tools to supplement the EVE experience and this is all fine and dandy. As EVE grows, so does the amount of third-party programs developed for EVE and we cannot realistically review and condone these tools on an individual basis and use of such programs is therefore done at your own risk. We can prohibit and warn against the use of software which we know without a doubt to contain components which violate the EULA. Any program which enables the Autopilot to 0 client modification falls under this for example: if you use a piece of software which enables you to autopilot to 0, you can expect a permanent suspension of your account as you are in gross violation of the EULA. In addition to CCP Stillman's blog which I linked at the top of this post, I'd also like to bring your attention to the following page which outlines our official policy on third-party programs: Third-party policies
Thanks for clarification here!
_______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14346
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:46:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Evemon, Dotlan, Eve Central, EFT, and others are Third party apps which CCP stated is against the EULA. No, they really haven't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
120
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:53:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Ellen Thrace wrote:Korvus Falek wrote:I use ISBoxer and I do not use automation. I use replication. Have a good day. Both definitions are not mutually exclusive, therefore, even if it is a replication, it still is an Automation. Jason Xado wrote:I can put a lot more nails into a piece of wood with a hammer than with my thumb. I don't call a hammer automation. But you can't use 40 hammers at the same time, can you ? Yes, I can make a hammer with 40 heads on it and use it on 40 nails.
You look familiar... anyway....
Clearly these people have not seen the commercials where a guy creates a contraption to check multiple travel sites at once.
I could setup 10 computers and setup a special mouse setup where everytime I click a button on the master mouse 10 buttons are clicked.
ISboxer simply lets people do the same without all the silly mechanical devices cluttering up our rooms. Just like the hammer that nails 40 nails. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
153
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:06:00 -
[133] - Quote
GM Lelouch wrote:
Use of third-party programs is, as outlined in Stillman's blog, done entirely at your own risk and we'll quite simply not be able to state outright that this software or that software can be legitimately used under the EVE EULA since they are after all third-party programs.
Tippia wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Evemon, Dotlan, Eve Central, EFT, and others are Third party apps which CCP stated is against the EULA. No, they really haven't.
It was stated by a GM. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14346
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:14:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:It was stated by a GM. GǪthat they cannot officially say that any given third-party software is in compliance with their EULA. This is not the same thing as saying all third-party software breaks the rules. They can be pretty specific about which software most definitely isn't allowed, because its functionality inherently goes against the EULA, but that's something completely different.
So no, they really haven't.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Colin Chapman
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:28:00 -
[135] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:It was stated by a GM. GǪthat they cannot officially say that any given third-party software is in compliance with their EULA. This is not the same thing as saying all third-party software breaks the rules. They can be pretty specific about which software most definitely isn't allowed, because its functionality inherently goes against the EULA, but that's something completely different. So no, they really haven't.
Its fair to say that tools like EVEMon, EFT etc, are consumers of data from CCP published interfaces, they in no way influence the game nor can they be modified to influence the game.
IsBoxer to me is like Tax avoidance, Legally Ok, but there is a question over the morality of using it. Personally I dont have a problem with IsBoxer's unless it starts to get massively abused. |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:50:00 -
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Basically CCP said, it's ok to use as it stands now, but nothing stops the owner from releasing an update that contains code breaking the EULA. If you then update and use it, you are breaking the EULA and CCP will ban you for using it, this will be harder to do when CCP first said they endorsed the program, that is why they don't.
Let say CCP officially endorses this program, and ISboxer releases an update that breaks the EULA, then you are arguably safe to use this program, as long CCP doesn't officially state ISboxer is no longer officially endorsed because it now breaks the EULA.
Just facts now:
Nobody got banned from using isboxer yet, many people claimed to use it, so at this exact time, it hasn't been considered against the EULA YET, and it MIGHT never be. |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
37
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:22:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Jason Xado wrote:I can put a lot more nails into a piece of wood with a hammer than with my thumb. I don't call a hammer automation. Of course. And using a pneumatic hammer to drive 20 nails in with 1 trigger press would be automation.
Probably a case to case decision. Running a mining bot requires at least one click, too. The click to start the bot. So in a way you still run in manually, it just automates a lot of other things from that point on. Like a multiboxer, maybe you have to do a lot of clicks more, but there still is automation, espacially on a scale you wouldnt be able to reproduce as a single human being. Or has anyone tried to actually play 10 accounts in a PvE side simultanously? Yay 10 years! :D |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
369
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:It's pretty simple.
Replication is copying, repeating, right?
Automation is synthesizing the work instead of doing it yourself right? GǪand ISBoxer does not offer the latter. You still have to do the work. It doesn't automate anything. So yes, very very simple. Quote:Sooo using your words, replicating via isboxer WOULD be automation GǪif it did away with the human input, which it doesn't. So it isn't. This explains why it's been explicitly allowed for ages by CCP GÇö you know, the final arbiters of the CCP EULA? Ellen Thrace wrote:Both definitions are not mutually exclusive, therefore, even if it is a replication, it still is an Automation. Eh, no. There is no GÇ£thereforeGÇ¥ about it. Both definitions are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, even if it is a replication, it can still be an automation (and vice versa), but we can't determine one from the other. In this case, since it still requires human input to do anything, it isn't automation GÇö it's just replication.
Hit F1, fire gun. Hit F1 again, fire gun again. Replication.
Hit F1 once. Gun fires on 20 accounts at once. 19 accounts were automated with 0 human input. 1 account had human input. Automation on 19 accounts, replicated from 1 account.
Very very simple. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
369
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:41:00 -
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Azure Moonlight wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Jason Xado wrote:I can put a lot more nails into a piece of wood with a hammer than with my thumb. I don't call a hammer automation. Of course. And using a pneumatic hammer to drive 20 nails in with 1 trigger press would be automation. Probably a case to case decision. Running a mining bot requires at least one click, too. The click to start the bot. So in a way you still run in manually, it just automates a lot of other things from that point on. Like a multiboxer, maybe you have to do a lot of clicks more, but there still is automation, espacially on a scale you wouldnt be able to reproduce as a single human being. Or has anyone tried to actually play 10 accounts in a PvE side simultanously?
Yep that's my point. Programs such as isboxer have some very cool elements I like. Like screen placement etc.
That simplifies the actually use of multiboxing.
Replicating clicks imo is bad. However, as stated, the rule is not enforced.
Which is why we have this thread and it hasn't gone away yet. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Danni stark
339
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:42:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Which is why we have this thread and it hasn't gone away yet. no, that's not why we keep having this thread. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
369
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:44:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Which is why we have this thread and it hasn't gone away yet. no, that's not why we keep having this thread.
Well, I think you should reread the original post and figure that one out for yourself then. I wouldn't presume to tell anyone else why they do things. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
12
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:47:00 -
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This is cool. So with ISBoxer I could have 10 accounts running 10 snipe BS or those new attack BC snipers and it'll lock and fire all my ships on some poor war target , blowing him to little tiny bits in two clicks of the mouse?
Edit: thinking of this functionality if my ships are separated by distance and there's a neutral ship near my target isn't there a big possibility that I might lock the neutral ship, or does ISBoxer have some AI where it automatically locks the same ship my primary account locks?
Edit 2: nm it uses overview of course. Long as they are set up the same it locks same. |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:58:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:This is cool. So with ISBoxer I could have 10 accounts running 10 snipe BS or those new attack BC snipers and it'll lock and fire all my ships on some poor war target , blowing him to little tiny bits in two clicks of the mouse?
Or just, y'know: http://i.imgur.com/egFbwL5.jpg |
Carniflex
StarHunt Intrepid Crossing
84
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:02:00 -
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Interesting. I should look into this ISBoxer thing.
I atm get by with just multiple screens and G700 mouse which allows me to turn on all hardeners, recall drones & reload and other such simple things with a single button press for each account. But it would be nice if I could just do one press and turn on all hardeneres on all accounts without having to visit each of them for that.
As far as legality goes, its not the software that is against eula or within eula, its what you do with it. I'm pretty sure some of the things you can do with ISBoxer will get you banned same way as some of the things you can do with Logitech G700 drivers or G15 keyboard can get you banned. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14762
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:27:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:Ellen Thrace wrote:Both definitions are not mutually exclusive, therefore, even if it is a replication, it still is an Automation. Eh, no. There is no GÇ£thereforeGÇ¥ about it. Both definitions are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, even if it is a replication, it can still be an automation (and vice versa), but we can't determine one from the other. In this case, since it still requires human input to do anything, it isn't automation GÇö it's just replication. Hit F1, fire gun. Hit F1 again, fire gun again. Replication. Hit F1 once. Gun fires on 20 accounts at once. 19 accounts were replicated with 1 human input. Very very simple. Fixed your post. Very very simple.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
125
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:37:00 -
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I can't believe I let myself get dragged into this conversation.
I'm going back to my mining operation.
Fly safe and don't forget to have fun :-) |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
369
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:46:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:Ellen Thrace wrote:Both definitions are not mutually exclusive, therefore, even if it is a replication, it still is an Automation. Eh, no. There is no GÇ£thereforeGÇ¥ about it. Both definitions are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, even if it is a replication, it can still be an automation (and vice versa), but we can't determine one from the other. In this case, since it still requires human input to do anything, it isn't automation GÇö it's just replication. Hit F1, fire gun. Hit F1 again, fire gun again. Replication. Hit F1 once. Gun fires on 20 accounts at once. 19 accounts were replicated with 1 human input. Very very simple. Fixed your post. Very very simple.
You ignored the portion that involves a program. Please do not edit my posts. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14762
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:07:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Mag's wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote: Eh, no. There is no GÇ£thereforeGÇ¥ about it. Both definitions are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, even if it is a replication, it can still be an automation (and vice versa), but we can't determine one from the other. In this case, since it still requires human input to do anything, it isn't automation GÇö it's just replication.
Hit F1, fire gun. Hit F1 again, fire gun again. Replication. Hit F1 once. Gun fires on 20 accounts at once. 19 accounts were replicated with 1 human input. Very very simple. Fixed your post. Very very simple. You ignored the portion that involves a program. Please do not edit my posts. You ignored the part where it requires human input to work. Please do not be disingenuous.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
369
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:10:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Mag's wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote: Eh, no. There is no GÇ£thereforeGÇ¥ about it. Both definitions are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, even if it is a replication, it can still be an automation (and vice versa), but we can't determine one from the other. In this case, since it still requires human input to do anything, it isn't automation GÇö it's just replication.
Hit F1, fire gun. Hit F1 again, fire gun again. Replication. Hit F1 once. Gun fires on 20 accounts at once. 19 accounts were replicated with 1 human input. Very very simple. Fixed your post. Very very simple. You ignored the portion that involves a program. Please do not edit my posts. You ignored the part where it requires human input to work. Please do not be disingenuous.
I did in fact mention that the one account used human input.
Please do not be facetious with your misuse of terminologies.
Saying 1 human inputted sequence followed by 19 automated actions is not "disengenuous".
It is accurate. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Murk Paradox
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:10:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
Hit F1, fire gun. Hit F1 again, fire gun again. Replication.
Hit F1 once. Gun fires on 20 accounts at once. 19 accounts were automated with 0 human input. 1 account had human input. Automation on 19 accounts, replicated from 1 account.
Very very simple.
Because people cannot read. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
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