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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Industrial H-K Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:32:00 -
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Dear *&%&*%&^$% ......
Steam app user, error code F8A24459-D6AC-4398-954F-A71F3625216E every time.
??? n++[ 2013.05.17 22:06:44 ] Josh Fehrnah > Coffee Rocks you are also kos [ 2013.05.17 22:15:07 ] Captain Karrzaka > I luv coffee :P
Twitter: @thecoffeerocks Steam: CoffeeRocks |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
245
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:32:00 -
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Also, in case it needs reiterating, we really need the detailed logs that the Launcher writes out to it's cache folder to be able to help diagnose what's gone wrong in the situations where people are still failing to log in/update/patch or whatever. Please, please, please file a bug report and attach the logs. Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Mirel Dystoph
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
58
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:32:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Valeria Crossroads wrote:The launcher only remembers the last 7 accounts. I have way more than that. I really hope you guys do not expect me to type the account names over and over again. How many accounts do you have? Apparently more then 7. "Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise."-á |
Zeronic
Zero Core Labs United Abominations
18
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:32:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:To expand on this point, there are a number of exotic setups for multiboxing involving either multiple physical installs of the game, hybrid symlinks, junctions, soft links, hard links, partial copies and more. And in almost every single case people multi box for one reason: to be able to have individual setups for their settings, or to hasten the login flow. The deployment today, as difficult and bad as it was (for which I apologise) was to deploy the single sign on service, through which we can start to work on these issues. My hope is that in the end, you will be able to log into the EVE Launcher once, which downloads your settings from the cloud, with all of your accounts linked, via either a single EVE master account or via some other OAuth provider, and be able to select characters and switch between them at the click of a single button.
I guess I'm in this group, Hard Symbolic Links to have each client have it own setting. Which make log in a breeze, allowing each Eve Client to have it own monitor settings.
I don't like the idea of a "Master Account", Hacking and entire account stealing would become more of an issue than it is now.
As for "Cloud Setting" that best kept to the in game stuff and nothing to do with Video or Sound Settings.
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Anonymouse Reporter01
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:35:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Regarding the slow startup time of the new EVE Launcher: the first time the new EVE Launcher starts up, it needs to determine the state of your client installation. This requires it to analyse every file in your installation. This will take some time, since the EVE client is somewhere around 12Gb in size. However, after this point, the checksums will be saved in the Launcher's cache folder. Clearing out the Launcher's cache folder will obviously delete this file, requiring you to re-analyse your installation.
If people are finding that they need to spend a lengthy amount of time analysing their installation every time they start up, I would beg them to file a bug reporting, and provide the logs that their Launcher is generating, and saving into it's cache folder.
It took an hour to validate the client and hopefully the checksums have been saved to cache. At the 30 minute mark after hitting the button to start the client launch/login I have the two instances of launcher.exe but no CPU usage, I/O at a slow virtually non-existent dribble, etc. At what point do I declare this puppy dead? |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
245
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:35:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote:EDIT: Forget it, I fixed it myself.
Had to track down new exe file and use it that way.
Please read my post regarding Steam users here Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Industrial H-K Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:36:00 -
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Zeronic wrote: I guess I'm in this group, Hard Symbolic Links to have each client have it own setting. Which make log in a breeze, allowing each Eve Client to have it own monitor settings.
I don't like the idea of a "Master Account", Hacking and entire account stealing would become more of an issue than it is now.
As for "Cloud Setting" that best kept to the in game stuff and nothing to do with Video or Sound Settings.
Flippin' agree. n++[ 2013.05.17 22:06:44 ] Josh Fehrnah > Coffee Rocks you are also kos [ 2013.05.17 22:15:07 ] Captain Karrzaka > I luv coffee :P
Twitter: @thecoffeerocks Steam: CoffeeRocks |
Zh'Khraag
KhraTyr Group
20
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:36:00 -
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So, the purpose of the new launcher is to utilize your fancy new Single Sign On protocol. As I understand it, that means once I log on, I am logged on to all of Eve's various subsections. Can you please tell me why I had to log onto the forums to post this? Isn't the whole purpose of this fancy new advertising tool... er launcher... to sign me on to all of Eve?
You broke something that worked to upgrade it to use a new feature, and it doesn't even do that.
You failed, CCP, and you should feel bad |
Coffee Rocks
Thrall Industrial H-K Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:38:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Coffee Rocks wrote:EDIT: Forget it, I fixed it myself.
Had to track down new exe file and use it that way. Please read my post regarding Steam users here
Ooh.... nice. Totally tweeting this.
And, yah, that's what I ended up doing. o7 n++[ 2013.05.17 22:06:44 ] Josh Fehrnah > Coffee Rocks you are also kos [ 2013.05.17 22:15:07 ] Captain Karrzaka > I luv coffee :P
Twitter: @thecoffeerocks Steam: CoffeeRocks |
Valeria Crossroads
Terra Incognita Unclaimed.
16
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:38:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Valeria Crossroads wrote:The launcher only remembers the last 7 accounts. I have way more than that. I really hope you guys do not expect me to type the account names over and over again. How many accounts do you have?
12, I have 28 chars. Most are lab rats/factory monkeys. I normally play with 3 or 4 accounts at the same time, up to 9 max. I have come across people who have more accounts than me. 20 is the highest I remember. Some of these are from people who make a living out of training up chars or are heavy industry like me. |
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Madlof Chev
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
145
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:39:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is a technical limitation, but the only way in which the new launcher would actually make it faster for me to launch multiple clients than it was before would be if it were possible to launch another client that you've signed in while a client is launching. This is pretty terrible to explain, so I'll do a FORUMDIAGRAM(tm)
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>open launcher >spam return key >speed log in while alt-tabbing
New Launcher
>open launcher >log in >click play >switch user >log in >wait for the client to launch fully
^^^^ This is where it gets slow - I can log in faster than the launcher will let me launch clients. I really don't want to sit through this if I need to log in a cyno chain quickly and from what I can tell, you want to remove the login screen, so going through ExeFile.exe won't work around this for long. |
acordn
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:40:00 -
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when i saw the new launcher on the test server i thought " this cannot be the finished product, doesnt even have a play button." but i get over it and get used to dealing with it. (even though you somehow managed to make the log in process worse, which i didnt think was possible) but now you managed to roll out this broken launcher early for what exactly? what will be different when i log in tomorrow? nothing at all of course besides all the settings i need to redo. so in half a day you managed to lock out players due to this broken launcher, and the ones that could log in just lost all those settings. i just simply dont understand the point of all this nonsense. ccp please explain |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project
300
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:41:00 -
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So, it's probably been said multiple times, but I'll say it again for folks that don't want to read 96 pages of people whining because CCP pushed out a ******, useless, new feature that ****** everything up.
Go to your game folder, and navigate to the Bin folder, and launch from Exefile in that folder. Bypasses the shitastic launcher completely.
Example; C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\bin is the folder for me. Exefile is my new shortcut I use to launch the game, and I'm cruising just fine now :) |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
5
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:41:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:thanks dear ccp for NOT failing to yet again F something that works up .. no1 ever asked you for the launcher in the first place.. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal so, according to ccp, pointing out that since they were so nice and gave us this wonderful new launcher we`ve been begging for we now need to start setting up each and every toon up again.. or asking them to work on bugs like random socket close instead of making this sort of "awesome features" is personal insults.. guys.. try oxford dictionary online.. |
Adam1337
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:45:00 -
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Do us a favor, make it so the launcher can save the passwords with the account names, also have on the launcher a drop down of accounts for fast client boot load.
Do something really good with the launcher.... |
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
222
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:48:00 -
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"The new login functionality that we deployed today is designed to start changing the way users log into the EVE Universe; whilst it is often true that one shouldn't change something if it isn't broken, such a clich+¬ doesn't allow for changing priorities. "
That is some PR censored garbage if I ever read any. Tell me, just what exactly are the priorities for Eve, or do they not tell you that? Even if the launcher worked, all it is is a billboard to advertise to people WHO ALREADY GIVE YOU MONEY, any claims of added functionality is a thinly veiled lie. The only reason you would make a launcher like this is if you're already planning to try to roll out microtransactions yet again and pay to win as per the Dust model.
You say you as a company have changing priorities, and it is apparent that the priority has shifted away from making the best space sandbox imaginable, to making a fuckton of money off of 12 year old newfags, to put it candidly. |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
245
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:49:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:Also, in case it needs reiterating, we really need the detailed logs that the Launcher writes out to it's cache folder to be able to help diagnose what's gone wrong in the situations where people are still failing to log in/update/patch or whatever. Please, please, please file a bug report and attach the logs. not everyone knows what these logs are or where to find them...... Yea, I just edited my original post to highlight that, thanks for the tip Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
498
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:50:00 -
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Madlof Chev wrote:I'm not sure if this is a technical limitation, but the only way in which the new launcher would actually make it faster for me to launch multiple clients than it was before would be if it were possible to launch another client that you've signed in while a client is launching. This is pretty terrible to explain, so I'll do a FORUMDIAGRAM(tm)
Previous
>open launcher >spam return key >speed log in while alt-tabbing
New Launcher
>open launcher >log in >click play >switch user >log in >wait for the client to launch fully
^^^^ This is where it gets slow - I can log in faster than the launcher will let me launch clients. I really don't want to sit through this if I need to log in a cyno chain quickly and from what I can tell, you want to remove the login screen, so going through ExeFile.exe won't work around this for long.
does this mean that having own installation to every account is fastest way to log in all accounts?
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Deka Soong
Lurkers Of The Shadow
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:50:00 -
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concerning this launch I thoguht it was a bad idea to begin with. The only think i liked was that it made accessing the updates and newest ccp posts easier to find.
I run 6 accounts as of right now and it totally DEFUNKED this toons settings witht the new launcher i had to reset everything all my defaults. WHICH IS BS! It's an update no a patch so things should change drastically like that. It also makes it very difficult to turn all my accounts on so i can go mine/mission. Im a care bear its what i do. And you just made it harder for me to do it. roll the launcher back and im sure a lot of people will shut up. |
Perramas
DreddNaut
3354
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:52:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Also, in case it needs reiterating, we really need the detailed logs that the Launcher writes out to it's cache folder to be able to help diagnose what's gone wrong in the situations where people are still failing to log in/update/patch or whatever. Please, please, please file a bug report and attach the logs.
*EDIT*
The logs can be found under the launcher/cache folder inside your EVE installation.
The logs show nothing.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt |
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Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
128
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:54:00 -
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Just make it so I can have different graphics settings for each instance open, and have them be saved or remembered for each account. |
acordn
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:54:00 -
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rather than focus on this stupid sso BS. why dont ya focus on allowing us to export every little setting in eve with a few clicks. so that way i can have a hard copy when you decide to go crazy and screw everyone |
Vhaine Vhindiscar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:57:00 -
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What is the point of testing if you people NEVER listen to the feedback?
It's a pile. I logged in to find all my settings reverted. I had to go out to reddit to quickly find out how to fix it. Then I reopen the launcher and am greeted with 20 minutes of Validating Client.
Also, If I have already hit BUTTAN to login...why must I press another one to 'play.' Why did I just login? To admire the graphic design work that went into the second button? CCP mouse kick fiesta continues. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
403
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:59:00 -
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I just lost settings for 8 accounts. Wonderful. There's nothing like an 8 year vet getting the "new game" movie again.
C'mon CCP, don't. delete. user. settings.
New launcher is a logical step, but seriously...
(and please implement log out to char select and better multi-account support)
I'll probably be slightly pissed off for the next 30 minutes, could have been worse I suppose |
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
223
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:59:00 -
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Vhaine Vhindiscar wrote:What is the point of testing if you people NEVER listen to the feedback?
It's a pile. I logged in to find all my settings reverted. I had to go out to reddit to quickly find out how to fix it. Then I reopen the launcher and am greeted with 20 minutes of Validating Client.
Also, If I have already hit BUTTAN to login...why must I press another one to 'play.' Why did I just login? To admire the graphic design work that went into the second button? CCP mouse kick fiesta continues.
It's the illusion of input/power that 'feedback' gives you, it tricks you into thinking you have a real say in stuff, just like when you go to vote for your representative. |
Crexa
Ion Industrials
50
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:04:00 -
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I sincerely hope this is not what to expect come June 4th. As this launcher is garbage.
A. I lost all my logins, (multiple accounts) . I had them written down so not huge at first, but then I start logging in characters only to find all settings reverted,
B. all chats gone.
C. audio, graphic and that clusterfrack station environment all at max and on. One of my PCs had a panic attack from the resource starvation this caused. Ok its a piece of junk, but still.
D. All characters are in this state, thanks for letting me play organizer today, I really had that planned! sarcasm off. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Anonymouse Reporter01
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:06:00 -
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Perramas wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:Also, in case it needs reiterating, we really need the detailed logs that the Launcher writes out to it's cache folder to be able to help diagnose what's gone wrong in the situations where people are still failing to log in/update/patch or whatever. Please, please, please file a bug report and attach the logs.
*EDIT*
The logs can be found under the launcher/cache folder inside your EVE installation. The logs show nothing. In my case not quite true, I have an hour of file validations, followed by two lines of 'client validation plus SetClientUpToDate set True. The last line of the log file has Sending the following JavaScript code to the browser setPlayButtonEnabled 'Client is ready'. No further log entries for the next hour after trying to login. Log submitted in bug report but I suspect more log information is required. There was mention that there had been an update to instructions but I didn't see a link on the posting that said there had been an update/correction. Where are the instructions for creating a more detailed Log? |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
639
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:08:00 -
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I like the new launcher. |
Zh'Khraag
KhraTyr Group
21
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:11:00 -
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Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I had the idea that the current state of CCP could best be expressed as a Meme. It seems they are more interested in pleasing their masters at Sony than pleasing the thousands of customers that made them worthy of Sony consideration. As I racked my brain to remember a meme that would show CCP's borked strategies and Sony's mastery over them, I remembered a meme that was popular in my nullsec days. During the latest war in the South, there was a fairly popular meme. I redid it some, and believe it shows the current state of Eve, CCP and Sony rather well.
Eve Sony and CCP
What do you think? |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:12:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Calathorn Virpio wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:Also, in case it needs reiterating, we really need the detailed logs that the Launcher writes out to it's cache folder to be able to help diagnose what's gone wrong in the situations where people are still failing to log in/update/patch or whatever. Please, please, please file a bug report and attach the logs. not everyone knows what these logs are or where to find them...... Yea, I just edited my original post to highlight that, thanks for the tip
These are not words you say to people who payed money for a working game. These words are the ones you tell the testers so that by the time it gets to us people paying money, it runs smooth and we don't have to check forums, file reports or attach logs.
Is that not obvious? |
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