You have a problem with PvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP?

You're wrong.

Yes.

No.

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

30 minutes into EVE and you be the guy who tackles a dreadnought.

One week into EVE and you can be in a logi ship and loved by your freinds.

2 weeks into EVE and you can be the guy who just ganked a hauler with a billion in the hold.

My month of January proves you are wrong.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=600165&m=1&y=2013


damn I never noticed my ratio of kill deaths its so lame @.@ 50% :( gotta work on fixing it...

No.

Miners with 30mil SP dying to 1 week old catalyst pilots beg to differ,

Yes you are, more SP != win in PvP, it = more choice of ships to PvP in, for example player x has 100 million SP spread all over the place but only 5 million in frigates, player Y has only 5 million SP in frigates , if they're both in identical ships with identical fits then there is a 50/50 chance that player Y can beat player X, because 95 million of player Xs SP are completely irrelevant to the ship he's flying.
HTFU

This will end well.

Not an exception to "more SP wins" formula.

No.

When your character gets to that age and you are still getting ganked you will realise how bad you are.

The real decider is numbers.

Numbers = more SP = win. Not an exception.
And I were not the gankee, I were the ganker.
It's just eve has no PvP beyond SPvsSP formula is too annoying.

Also, when I get that age, everyone would still get their SP, and my relative age would be still as low as it is now. Eve "PvP" is locked out forever for newer accounts.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Numbers = more SP = win. Not an exception.
And I were not the gankee, I were the ganker.
It's just eve has no PvP beyond SPvsSP formula is too annoying.

You will never understand this game or any game.

And dies to his friends, proving my point.


Unless you mean T1 logi who's so laughable that nobody shoots him, no.


Hauler would have ~2 hours to get some help against 2 weeks old.

It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships.

That and FC's who aren't incompetent.

Need SP for best ships.
More pilots = more SP = naturally, win.

Well if we are talking about collective numbers then yeah, but what the OP was saying is that pilots with the most SP win all the time.

100 day old characters in frigs can beat a 5 year old character in a battleship.

You are just very VERY bad in this game. This is all.

Need SP for best ships.

Need SP for best ships.
More pilots = more SP = naturally, win.

OP, you have no idea how wrong you are. Check this vid from Scaurus's live stream a few nights ago:

http://www.twitch.tv/themittanidotcom/b/405319686

Scaurus is a highly experienced PVPer who has been around for quite a while. At about the 1:57:00 mark, he accepts a challenge from a corp mate of mine, Dash Ing, who merely wanted to give him a good fight for the audience. Dash is about 3-4 moths old. This fight is a Merlin vs. an Incursus, a pretty fair 1v1 matchup.

As you see in the video, Scaurus all but has the fight locked down...but OH ****!! I BURNT OUT MY GUNS!! The fight went to Dash, who in a very Gentlemanly display, decided to let him go when he got through the Merlin's armor. Just goes to show, even experienced pilots make mistakes, and very inexperienced pilots need only take advantage to turn the tide.

Stop whining, get a clue, and HTFU.

OP how about I roll a new character and train some basic skills, and we fight? You can use whatever you want.

No SP will save you from a guy with better piloting skills and better knowledge of game mechanics.

You can always buy the most pimped SP char on the bazaar, but if you're a n00b, you're a n00b.

piloting skills > skill points

Op you haven't responded, so I just want to reiterate that this offer still stands.

Except piloting skills are skillpoints.

No piloting skills are piloting skills. SP has nothing at all to do with it.

I said this before and i will continue to say it, SP is not a determining factor in pvp. yeah itll help with your deeps, tracking, speed, etc, but what really matters is tactics. Back in the day before the cane was nerfed I would fit my 425mm shield cane with two neuts and take on ANYTHING up to bs, my cane at the time put out nearly 1k dps, i would take on tech3's and aboslutely abolish them .

anyway, the point is, know what you are doing and you can participate in pvp no matter how low skilled you are.

as far as content goes, PVP is driven by the players, not CCP, it is up to you and I to build ships and fight each other. all these nullsec/highsec/lowsec fleets fights are driven by players who want to control space/regions/areas that CCP doesnt care about. if you want to pvp then go out and fight someone, blow this or that guy up becasue he called you a douche, or go fight him because you dont like his alliance tag, or jsut fight him,,,, just to fight him . again, its up to you.

So a single mistake due to lazyness is enough to keep it in your memory for ages, just cuz I BROKE THE MORE SP TO WIN RULE ONCE, SEE?!

Lame. Just one case of the iron rule violation? Just ONE? You don't sound so convincing.

What's the point of getting into a fight you have no chance to win due to lack of SP?

Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.

How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.

Whoever has more SP wins.
Winner is said to have more piloting skills than the loser.

So either they're the same or very closely related.

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP.

Numbers = more SP = win. Not an exception.
And I were not the gankee, I were the ganker.
It's just eve has no PvP beyond SPvsSP formula is too annoying.

Also, when I get that age, everyone would still get their SP, and my relative age would be still as low as it is now. Eve "PvP" is locked out forever for newer accounts.

Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP.

You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that).

Whoever has more SP wins.
Winner is said to have more piloting skills than the loser.

So either they're the same or very closely related.

I've seen a lot better trolls on the subject.

5 noobs in frigates with 10mil skill pts. total between them.

vs.

1 vet in a BS or Maurader with 100mil skill pts.

=

Dead vet.

Or to put it another way, remember way back when Shrike lost a Titan, took one away from one of this people to replace it and then turned around and lost that one the next day?

The gentleman that uncloaked the first Titan and enabled the kill was a sharp eyed young man in his first week of play. I'm not talking about the character he was on, I'm talking about the player himself.

It's been said before, there are lots of people that share your opinion of what it takes to be succesful in EvE combat.
You'll find them conveniently listed as death mails filling every killboard you care to check, regardless of the number of skill points they have accumulated.

You can tell how old this account is, don't you?
I though this before and it has been proven and proven again. More SP always wins.

You can tell how old this account is, don't you?
I though this before and it has been proven and proven again. More SP always wins.

so a character having about 60mil SP just in science and industry will be able to beat a guy in a cruiser and 1/3rd of the SP?



I'd say good ol' chap, you be trolling, or you be stupid.

My month of January proves you are wrong.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=600165&m=1&y=2013


damn I never noticed my ratio of kill deaths its so lame @.@ 50% :( gotta work on fixing it...

I am sad to see that after a couple of years you haven't learned much. But, as I said, your milage will vary. Maybe you just need a few more years to understand the game ...

You may compare pvp xp as well, with the same result. More of them wins anyway.

Was he even online at the moment?




As I said, accumulation of SP is pointless, because everyone is accumulating them and you can't catch up, ever.
So, the only thing left for lower sp people is to ask "When eve is getting PvP?"

Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink.

Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink.

Killing a barge is no different from mining. No surprises, no counter-attack, and you can do afk miner ganks just as miners do afk mining. Why would someone consider it a kill is a mystery for me.

Your brain is a mystery.

... More SP always wins.

Killing a barge is no different from mining. No surprises, no counter-attack, and you can do afk miner ganks just as miners do afk mining. Why would someone consider it a kill is a mystery for me.

Duh..clearly Marlona had more SP!

Makes you wonder why badgers arnt killing more. I mean, I know of at least two battleships that have died to iterons.

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

tl:dr Eve will never fit your narrow view of "fair" PvP, because Eve is not fair.

Feel free to spend several billion on a 100m sp + titan pilot and find out just how wrong you are. You are still going to suck just as bad as you do at the moment.

What matters in PVP is knowledge.

Unless you mean T1 logi who's so laughable that nobody shoots him, no.

You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

Absolutely spot-on, IMHO.

Which means that in an odd way the OP is right - people who have been playing longer do have an advantage, of sorts. But he's wrong that it's in terms of SP. It's in terms of knowledge built up over years of playing, making mistakes, trying again - getting info from people you play with, experimenting, etc.

That cannot be had by a newbie. SP per "flying something well" is hard capped. A newbie can easily reach that cap for small ships. The newbie will never have the knowledge and experience - that's what corporations are for, so the knowledge and experience can be shared and learned.

But that's just how it should be in an MMO.

No pvp sp against some pvp sp. Not an exception to "more SP wins" formula.

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

So why are SP's so important to people then?

It is only real PvP when you win

So it wouldn't hurt to rebalance the skill trees and reduce all benefits from every skill by 50%. I think thats a great idea. To be honest I would remove all skills that increased combat ability so that people were fighting on a more even field. It would make Eve a lot more exciting if it was an even competition skill wise.

It's only real PvP when each party has a chance.

Numbers = more SP = win. Not an exception.
And I were not the gankee, I were the ganker.
It's just eve has no PvP beyond SPvsSP formula is too annoying.

Also, when I get that age, everyone would still get their SP, and my relative age would be still as low as it is now. Eve "PvP" is locked out forever for newer accounts.

It's important to some people, most likely because they are in that frame of mind where they're always chasing the next big thing, and/or where the main draw for them is character progression. Both are often tied to SP.

So reducing the effect of skill increase by 50% would be a good way to mitigate any power creep which has occurred. Players still have the same SP and can use the same gear.

The OP was saying that he had been "out skilled" in combat. I was just thinking that if the advantages of skiling up were reduced a bit then he wouldn't be so outgunned. For instance say every level of gunnery gives 5% increase in damage, if that was reduced to 2.5% then The OP couldn't complain about how much damage the other guy did because they are a bit closer in effective DPS.

First: Nice trolling.

Still, this (the highlighted part) is where you're wrong as nobody can train a skill higher than lv5.
If a 5 year old player has trained Minmatar frigate to lv5 and you do the same, you are both (SP wice) eaqually good at flying that ship.
Granted, he will have have a lot of other skills that help him fit his ship better but he can still only train those skills to lv5, so eventually you will catch up. In the mean time, you might still be able to beat him as pvp in Eve has little to do with SP. It has all to do with knowledge. The Knowledge of how to pvp in Eve style.

This mean knowing how to use the tool (ship) you have at your disposal to hit your opponent at his weakest point. Knowing about fall off, transversal, kitting and a bunch of other stuff. Knowing when to fight and when to run and most importent - how to manually pilot your ship in relation to your apponent.

Think most players that come to the forums and complain about, not being able to pilot the ships personally (from the bridge) and want Eve to be a game where you do "dogfighting" type of pvp, has the same hole in their knowledge about what makes Eve pvp tick.

Sure thing, he might have better skills than you and have better modules on his ship but rest assure, that do NOT mean he knows how to fit his new ship or how to use it in a pvp situation.

Don't give up. Try and try again and everytime - learn from your experience.
Learning in a personal matter (not SP wice) is what makes a good Eve player.

Can't say I disagree with the OP. But then I think EvE's counterintuitive formula is what makes it somewhat successful as a PvP game.

The biggest fears in other PvP games are "Pay to Win", "Gear Gap", and large disparity in SP (XP) levels between new and old players, where new players will never catch the old players. EvE embraces all of these.

The reason I think the formula is successful is because, contrary to what people say, hardly anyone really wants a fair fight.

Except piloting skills are skillpoints.

The OP was saying that he had been "out skilled" in combat.

That is obviously wrong, since SP allows better ships for enough years to call them EVER.

I know about falloff, traversal, kiting, and a bunch of other stuff. It doesn't help against severe SP deficit, which was proven wrong over, and over, and over.

Screw fair. At least give me a chance.

I would have given you a 2/10 on the troll O-meter but it seems there are more gullible people than i thought. That bumps you up to maybe a 7/10 on the troll O-meter.

No, there is a LOT to proper skill. There is a ton of things to think of and keep track of when entering into a fight (things like radial velocity, slingshot maneuvers, spiraling in, optimal/falloff, among others...).

There are obvious cases where a single low SP pilot WILL defeat the higher SP pilot almost all the time. An assault frigate noob vs. a tier 3 battlecruiser being one example.

But in many more cases the result may be open, as far as ship-type/fit vs other ship-type/fit goes. In these cases both SP and actual piloting skill play a role.
In some cases piloting skills > SP. Let's say a frigate fight between a longpoint-kiter and a scram/web-brawler. In such a case piloting skill will trump SP anytime. If the kiter (maybe a Navy Slicer) just hits orbit, he'll lose if the brawler can pull off a proper slingshot maneuvre. Has nothing to do with SP, just with skill. Now if the kiter pays attention he'll switch to manual flying at the proper time and make sure the range initially doesn't grow and (once the brawler executes the turnaround), will immediately reverse vectors.

In other cases SP > piloting skills. Let's say two similiarly fitted buffer-tanked brawling cruisers duking it out. But even here there is a lot of room for error, or even just more kill, depending on the weapon systems in use. It may very well be possible to reduce tracking enough (fly under the guns) by manually orbiting close (<500m).

Also, beyond a few M SP, frig and cruiser fights are practically equal by default. Any dozen million SP beyond that won't help the older char anyway.

It is ridiculous to assume higher SP and lower SP players will be in even remotely equal ships.
Since when 25 million SP if "few M"?
By the time lower SP maxes cruisers, higher SP will max every possible cruiser killer combination. You just don't stand a chance against higher SP unless a terrible mistake is made, and you cannot force that mistake to happen. Which means your chance to win by skill is 0%, which means SP just dominated the scene.

It is ridiculous to assume higher SP and lower SP players will be in even remotely equal ships.

Since when 25 million SP if "few M"?

By the time lower SP maxes cruisers, higher SP will max every possible cruiser killer combination.

You just don't stand a chance against higher SP unless a terrible mistake is made, and you cannot force that mistake to happen

You seem to have the notion that bigger ships are always better. This is not the case. I can give you many examples of smaller ships being vastly superior to a larger ship type in combat.

any assault frigate > tier 3 battlecruisers
actually, almost any combat frigate > tier 3 battlecruisers

assault frigate > most battleships (unless drone BS)
any combat frigate > long-range battleships (unless drone BS)

many T1 cruisers > long-range battleships / tier3 batltecruisers with long range weaponry
(e.g. Vexor > artillery tornado/tempest)

I could list more such combinations. The ones above mostly rely on the insufficient tracking of the larger guns vs. smaller targets (also their inability to escape due to being slow). There are other such combinations that rely on other factors (range and speed, ewar, etc.)

This is also the reason that many high SP pilots never stop flying frigatse and cruisers (let alone battlecruisers, which rock).

bs bs bs

I said better ships are better, not bigger. And better ships take months to simply get into, not to mention do something in them.

0/10

Unless you don't get the silent hint, I will tell you straightly

I said better ships are better, not bigger.

and you cannot force that mistake to happen. Which means your chance to win by skill is 0%

Quoted because Tippia said in a nice and concise fashion what I have been writing novels about. ("practice", i guess)

A version that you can't misread as easily: "All harder-to-train-for ships can be readily beaten by a well chosen easy-to-train-for ship."

Wrong.
All harder-to-train-ships beat all but maybe one easy-to-train-ship, and having a free choice of harder-to-train-ships to kill you higher SP will dominate without effort.

So how did a dram die to a badger?

Wrong.
All harder-to-train-ships beat all but maybe one easy-to-train-ship, and having a free choice of harder-to-train-ships to kill you higher SP will dominate without effort.

Wrong.
All harder-to-train-ships beat all but maybe one easy-to-train-ship

having a free choice of harder-to-train-ships to kill you higher SP will dominate without effort.

All harder-to-train-ships beat all but maybe one easy-to-train-ship, and having a free choice of harder-to-train-ships to kill you higher SP will dominate without effort.

This is obviously right.

Must I repeat it for you?

you are stupid, & should feel bad. Quit now & give all your stuff to people that have learned to EvE.

Arguing with Basil Pupkin is dumb, when we can test it.

I will pay for all the costs associated with such an event (duel) or Duels, rules are simple.

Standard Frigates, Destroyers or Cruisers, with standard fittings.

No named/officer/etc or LP store mods. Just run of the mill items.

Make sure you don't have too many implants, max value of 25 mil in total.

Rules are simple - when you fight Basil Pupkin make sure you can prove with that you have fewer SP than him, or prove it in such a way that its very likely that you do.

I will pay all* expenses for this event. - I will only pay for destroyed items.

Just wasted +700 mil on a face plug, think I can spare a few millions of isk for the laughs.

ITT:

OP confuses "skill" with "skillpoints"

I said better ships are better, not bigger. And better ships take months to simply get into, not to mention do something in them.

[quote=Luna Q]

I've invested too much to quit. I wish I could ruin EvE for everyone, but it seems Odyssey will do well enough.
Eve brings nothing but regret to anyone who lost the chance to register earlier.

Eve brings nothing but regret to anyone who lost the chance to register earlier.

And there is the actuality behind the attempted rhetoric. Based on this OP would have a very different view had they somehow not 'lost the chance to register earlier'.

Sometimes this emotional response is called envy. Historically speaking, it usually doesn't work out too well. Perhaps this thread will have provided something therapeutic or cathartic for the OP such that they do not have to live with the fairly well documented effects of contextualizing ones actions based on envy.

Since you win with skillpoints, skillpoints are skill.

If you'd added a smiley or a "QED" at the end of this it would have looked indistinguishable from a spot-on parody of your posting. Satire is dead and you have killed it. Monster.

Back in 2009, T'Amber ran a "Sisters of Eve" contest. It was kind of a Red vs. Blue kind of deal, except your character could be no older than a day or two when the contest started. This put everyone on even ground SP-wise.

Well, during the competition things were really quiet, so I decided to fly up to Rens with my week-old character in an Incursus of all things and look for trouble. There was some guy in a rifter looking for fights near one of the undocks and I decided "what the hell, it's a cheap Incursus with junk modules."

So I took the can, started the right, blew the other guy up. Note that this was back in 2009 when the Rifter was generally regarded as the champion of frigate combat, and the Incursus, eh, not so much. Not only was the other character quite a lot older than me, but he was fit with T2 gear on top of it all.

His fit was bad, his piloting was worse, and I ended up carrying the loot home.

Skill Points do matter to an extent - you can track a little better, do a little damage, turn a little better - but everything else is vastly more important. Positioning, the fit of your ship, situational awareness, manual piloting, etc., etc. High skill points only allow you to better make use of your piloting abilities.

And, really, any character that has trained up combat skills for 3-4 months already has 80% of the mechanical effectiveness of someone who has been around longer. That extra 20% is easily compensated for by simply being smarter than the other guy.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the OP is just trolling the forums, but just in case he is not:

I will by happy to buy for you 10 T1 frigates of your choice, complete with PvP fittings and ammo, if you promise to join Faction Warfare or RvB for a week. I suggest the Merlin these days - it's a beast and easy to fly.

What can I do, envy aside, if I'll never have enough skillpoints to be "good"? Nothing.

What can I do, envy aside, if I'll never have enough skillpoints to be "good"?.

I'd kill a lot more things if I could, but I don't have enough SP to.

Why exactly does people keep responding to a troll clearly feigning to be unable to understand :



So far, over 50 people successfully trolled. Let it die.

What can I do, envy aside, if I'll never have enough skillpoints to be "good"? Nothing.

What can I do, envy aside, if I'll never have enough skillpoints to be "good"? Nothing.

Tippia might miss you (tippia loves to argue with trolls) but the rest of us shan't notice your passing.

Nah. Plenty more is the sea under the bridge.

Fun factoid for the OP, 99% of the posters in this thread could roll a new alt and be able to kick a much older pilots arse within a month or two, in your case, I think a week or two of skill training would be more than sufficient to hand yours to you on a plate regardless of what you're flying.

Please do everybody else a favour and bugger off back to whatever hole you crawled out of, you are either trolling or clueless about Eve, either way you're a bit of a prat.

I'm not clueless about eve, it's just eve is clueless about pvp. As a matter of fact, it doesn't have any.
As I said, i'm not going to quit - too much invested to just dump it.
But eve is extremely boring contentless game, so I gotta find a way to enjoy it. Which is near-impossible without player interaction, which in eve is extremely poor.

I'm not clueless about eve

eve is clueless about pvp. As a matter of fact, it doesn't have any.

As I said, i'm not going to quit - too much invested to just dump it.

But eve is extremely boring contentless game, so I gotta find a way to enjoy it.

I'm not clueless about eve, it's just eve is clueless about pvp. As a matter of fact, it doesn't have any.
As I said, i'm not going to quit - too much invested to just dump it.
But eve is extremely boring contentless game, so I gotta find a way to enjoy it. Which is near-impossible without player interaction, which in eve is extremely poor.

Nah. Plenty more is the sea under the bridge.

My last four kills.

Me and one friend killed a gang of 6 others (two escaped). Two of the gang had older characters than both of ours combined. We killed one and the other escaped. Don't believe me? Check my corps war report in game. Thanks

/endthread.

I'm not clueless about eve, it's just eve is clueless about pvp. As a matter of fact, it doesn't have any.
As I said, i'm not going to quit - too much invested to just dump it.
But eve is extremely boring contentless game, so I gotta find a way to enjoy it. Which is near-impossible without player interaction, which in eve is extremely poor.

30 minutes into EVE and you be the guy who tackles a dreadnought.

One week into EVE and you can be in a logi ship and loved by your freinds.

2 weeks into EVE and you can be the guy who just ganked a hauler with a billion in the hold.

And so on.

That is obviously wrong, since SP allows better ships for enough years to call them EVER.
Knowing when to fight and when to run is very simple. Compare SP.
I know about falloff, traversal, kiting, and a bunch of other stuff. It doesn't help against severe SP deficit, which was proven over, and over, and over. The best you can do with all that stuff is to escape the higher SP opponent, and that is hardly a win, because he has to do nothing and you got to be universally better prepared to simply avoid loss.

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

IF YOU CAN'T SLAM WITH THE BEST THEN JAM WITH THE REST

Bring enough of them to outmass his SP, and sure, why not?


Of course I am. No SP = bad. It's just hard to do anything about it.

More SP = better ships = win. They won't be in identical ships. Never.

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?

It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.

Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.

So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?