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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2005.10.25 21:55:00 -
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Being a corp thief is considered by many players in Eve as the as the lowest form of game play. This is perhaps because to be a successful thief you must first gain the trust of your target corporation and then abuse this trust. So consider carefully before choosing this as your career.
Because of the hostility towards corp thieves you should not use a character that you intend to use after the heist. You could use an alt of your main, but it is becoming increasingly common for corporations to demand a screenshot of the character selection screen before you can join. Therefore a totally separate account is recommended if for your corp thief character.
Now you must decide how much time you are willing to spend playing as your corp thief character as opposed to your main character. If you are willing to spend a large proportion of your time playing the corp thief then you should just play normally.
However if you wish to limit the amount of time you spend playing as the thief then you should create a back story for your player. So, for example, if you want to play with you main character at the weekends then you could claim that the player of the corp thief is a student and only gets to play Eve during the week as he has a job in a bar on the weekend evenings.
Make sure that you write down any invented facts like this on a crib sheet. It is even better to create a whole back story for your player. Have this on a piece of paper next to the computer so that you can refer to it quickly. If you invent any new back story, remember to update your master copy.
Now you are ready to create your character. It does not really matter what race you pick, but make your thief a miner. This is much more appealing to corps. Do the tutorial and the first storyline missions.
Your next task is to get yourself into a small mining corp. There are several reasons for this, the most important is that you character will meet several other characters that you will be able to use as references in the future.
In addition there are several things in Eve that you cannot fake. One is standings with NPC Factions and Corporations. These can only be got by running agent missions. If in the future you are asked why your standings are low, spending all your time mining is a plausible excuse.
Finally you want to be in a small mining corp because it is easy to fake mining. Get your main to buy an industrial full of ore and transfer it to your thief. This allows you to leverage as much benefit from your time playing as the corp thief.
On the subject of transferring items or money from your main to the thief, never use escrow, trade or give money. These all leave an audit trail that can be followed. If you have to pass an item to the thief, do so in space. Transfer money by giving a valuable item to your thief and get him to sell it. I use cargo expanders as they allow a lot of money to be transferred easily.
Once in your first mining corp, work hard. Go on the mining operations when you can. Never argue with the CEO or directors. Get known as a hard working member who does not cause trouble. This small mining corporation is not your target so try and resist the temptation to steal from it.
In any case if you keep working hard you should be made a director of the corporation. There is a very high turnover of people in small corporations and you should be a director within weeks of joining.
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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2005.10.25 21:55:00 -
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Once you have been with your first corporations a few weeks you can move onto your target corporation. If you have been made a director of your first corporation, you should propose that it and your target corporation should merge. Otherwise approach the target corporation in the usual way, highlighting what a great miner/producer you are.
As long as you have been careful, you should have no problems getting into your target corporation. Some corporations ask to see the journal entries in your wallet, as long as you followed the guidelines above there will be no problems.
Once you are in your target corporation work hard. You need to become a director, make friends with the CEO, always be helpful, never a nuisance. The turnover of directors in larger corporations is much slower than that in smaller corporations. But eventually you should be made a director.
If there is some resistance, donĘt push it too much, but indicate that you would find it much easier to make money for the corporation if you did not have to ask favors from a director all the time.
Now you are a director you need to plan the heist. You will need an alt in every corporation office to clean out the corp hangers, while you yourself clear out the corp wallet. If the corporation has BPOs that you want then these will have to be moved into a place that you can get them. Moving the production base is a good way to get the BPOs accessible.
Then, when the time is right, make your move. First remove the items from the corp hangers and once this has been done transfer the corporation money to an alt and then transfer it to its final destination.
You never know, you may get a four page spread in a games magazine dedicated to you.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.25 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Peacock You never know, you may get a four page spread in a games magazine dedicated to you.
- Proud member of the [23].
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.10.25 22:27:00 -
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Well first of all corp theft is one of the lamer things in Eve, second why you posting with an alt?
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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2005.10.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho Well first of all corp theft is one of the lamer things in Eve, second why you posting with an alt?
The first part of your reply gives the reason for the second.
Eve is full of social retards who would wardec the main character. Even now they are trying to wardec the Centre for Advanced Studies.
To those that think omg, this post is pure evil. Read it, understand it, and perhaps you can prevent it happening to your corp.
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Tukko Chavetz
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Posted - 2005.10.26 00:09:00 -
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Don't knock the guy.
This is a dam good post, both for the aspiring thief and the corps that get victimized.
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Drusty
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Posted - 2005.10.26 02:40:00 -
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U are so evil u make us pirates look like catholic school girls, On a sunday morning. Thats very very low. But i have to agree its a very good post i read it all the way through.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.10.26 02:49:00 -
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Yeah, it's well done. Player-player thieving is far more sophisticated in Eve than in other games and I think that's a plus.
And it's true that you can read this and learn from it if you are a corp as well.
There are ways to counter this sort of thing though. Make people do missions; demand they get their standing up a bit. Check their skills regularly. Do they seem to have been stuck in an osprey for the past three months? Since most people don't heavily train their alts, you may find their 'learning skills' seem to be taking a good few months to complete!
Try doing combat trials with members of the corp ... does a player seem not to have improved at all? Do their cap skills, gunnery skills etc. still seem to suck? That's another great way of working out if a player is 'in stasis' because they're not the character being trained ... if all else fails, ask for fairly regular screenshots of their in-game character screen to check skill point progression, or screenshots of their attribute screen if they claim to be spending all their time on the learning skills.
You won't get the real hardcore ones, who actually train their char as a 'real' player the time they're with you, but you'll get the rest.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.10.26 03:45:00 -
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the GHSC being in PC Gamer is because of something they did that goes above and beyond what some moron corp thief does, not to mention there were other aspects of that incident that were equally as impressive.
Personally, I can't help but laugh at corp thieves, as nothing of great value of mine will ever be accessible to someone else in EVE. You protect your valubles in game just as you would irl.
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lord lex
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Posted - 2005.10.26 04:07:00 -
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simple way round ask for a screeny of skills makes life a lil easyr
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Maelzel Zante
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Posted - 2005.10.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Personally, I can't help but laugh at corp thieves, as nothing of great value of mine will ever be accessible to someone else in EVE. You protect your valubles in game just as you would irl.
I believe the GHSC article in PC Gamer had a quote or two from a member who made a similar comment. Meaning, the organization was structured so that no one member cripple the corporation. It seems like such a simple concept yet I'm amazed at how many people don't follow it.
Remember Kyonoke Pit
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.10.26 15:19:00 -
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Quote: simple way round ask for a screeny of skills
they can be faked, a dedicated corp theif may take the time to do anything if the reward is good enough.
I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
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Dale Cussler
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Posted - 2005.10.27 00:49:00 -
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I can fake a char select screenshot in under 2 minutes, same with skills. So easy to change a few things here and there to make the numbers add up. /Dale |
Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.27 01:15:00 -
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Good post.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.27 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia the GHSC being in PC Gamer is because of something they did that goes above and beyond what some moron corp thief does, not to mention there were other aspects of that incident that were equally as impressive.
Personally, I can't help but laugh at corp thieves, as nothing of great value of mine will ever be accessible to someone else in EVE. You protect your valubles in game just as you would irl.
Corp thieving requires two things:
1) Lots of skill.
2) Stupid victims.
The more of 2), the less of 1) is needed. - Proud member of the [23].
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Archilies
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Posted - 2005.10.27 11:49:00 -
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If your hoping for a sticky, dnt think it's gona happen
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception
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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2005.10.27 14:45:00 -
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Some things to add to that i think. Not done it in a long long time but, Rather than use the char you've made a director to take anything from the corp just sign up multiple alts give one of them every possible right you can which will give them access to corp wallet/hangers/etc etc, Thus giving you the ability to move the char you've just scammed with on into a new corp (keeping the trust thats been gained as a director) and the reasons for leaving... we'll they're self explaitary, the corp got scammed everyones morale is down and the corps not going anywhere.
There are no logs that i am aware of for directors giving roles to members. So giving alts access to everything is the way forward. ----------------------- Join the oveur fan club today and recive an e-flower!
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.10.27 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dezzyb0y Some things to add to that i think. Not done it in a long long time but, Rather than use the char you've made a director to take anything from the corp just sign up multiple alts give one of them every possible right you can which will give them access to corp wallet/hangers/etc etc, Thus giving you the ability to move the char you've just scammed with on into a new corp (keeping the trust thats been gained as a director) and the reasons for leaving... we'll they're self explaitary, the corp got scammed everyones morale is down and the corps not going anywhere.
There are no logs that i am aware of for directors giving roles to members. So giving alts access to everything is the way forward.
Dont think there is any logs to show that, but it will say who signed up the alts and allowed them into the corp which could look very dodgy.
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Grizzo Zarr
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Posted - 2005.10.27 15:44:00 -
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Well, call me morally bankrupt if you must, but I find this whole thing of infiltration, espionage, betrayal, theft, and assassination very intriguing. In fact, it makes me want to play EVE even more. This is the only game I know of where things like this could be conducted on such large a scale.
I most certainly do NOT want some carebear game where everybody skips around singing and licking lollypops while the sun shines and birds chirp. I like an element of danger, of intrigue, of not knowing 100% if the person I'm talking to I can really trust. Sometimes, it rains and storms and you are betrayed...I find that fascinating, and the risk makes the game even more fun.
CCP should never intervene in things like this. They created the world, and the characters who populate it set the moral and ethical tone, as it should be. You're going to have very "good" characters, and very "bad" characters in EVE (good and bad being relative, of course), and that not only makes for a very interesting and fun universe to play in, but also strikes a balance in itself.
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.10.27 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:52 Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:15 Firstly, Corp Theift Sucks.
Secondly, It is Very Very Easy to fake a logon Screen. Just click anyware and you will be presented with all the logon boxes as empty, form which you quickly take a screenshot, paste it, and then paste on your char over the empty box as needed. Silly peeps beleive that nobody can fake a rotating background, but they dont relise that CCP do all the work for you!
Finally, you can make approx 500mil per trial alt in a week, by using buggy agents (about 25 hours eve gaming) so there is no point in corp theift.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.27 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:52 Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:15 Firstly, Corp Theift Sucks.
Secondly, It is Very Very Easy to fake a logon Screen. Just click anyware and you will be presented with all the logon boxes as empty, form which you quickly take a screenshot, paste it, and then paste on your char over the empty box as needed. Silly peeps beleive that nobody can fake a rotating background, but they dont relise that CCP do all the work for you!
Finally, you can make approx 500mil per trial alt in a week, by using buggy agents (about 25 hours eve gaming) so there is no point in corp theift.
500 million per trial alt? I'd like to see this. - Proud member of the [23].
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Miss Morhpy
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Posted - 2005.10.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Macro Media Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:52 Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:15 Firstly, Corp Theift Sucks.
Secondly, It is Very Very Easy to fake a logon Screen. Just click anyware and you will be presented with all the logon boxes as empty, form which you quickly take a screenshot, paste it, and then paste on your char over the empty box as needed. Silly peeps beleive that nobody can fake a rotating background, but they dont relise that CCP do all the work for you!
Finally, you can make approx 500mil per trial alt in a week, by using buggy agents (about 25 hours eve gaming) so there is no point in corp theift.
500 million per trial alt? I'd like to see this.
Guess his name "Macro" tells bit of the story Lol. Well more accurate if talking about mining I guess
zzzz
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.10.27 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dezzyb0y
There are no logs that i am aware of for directors giving roles to members. So giving alts access to everything is the way forward.
2005.09.27 18:19Farjung edited the roles of Ericka Jandreau in Temporary Insanity. Roles added: Director
Members -> Auditing -> Membername -> mess with the dates
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Haram Zada
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Posted - 2005.10.28 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Haram Zada on 28/10/2005 08:16:28 Edited by: Haram Zada on 28/10/2005 08:15:25
Originally by: Miss Morhpy
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Macro Media Edited by: Macro Media on 27/10/2005 16:33:52
500 million per trial alt? I'd like to see this.
Guess his name "Macro" tells bit of the story Lol. Well more accurate if talking about mining I guess
zzzz
I dont beleive he was mentioning mining
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JoeT
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Posted - 2005.10.28 08:52:00 -
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A very good post imo. --- murder murder, yes indeed, K-I-L-L-I-N-G YARrrr!! ---
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.10.28 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Peacock
You never know, you may get a four page spread in a games magazine dedicated to you.
Your guide is good and all (for the scum of EVE etc.), but you also need to add one more element if you want to achieve infamy:
Style and panache.
Without it, you might just be hated. See difference between Teddybears and Burn Eden, for example. ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming. |
Longasc
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Posted - 2005.10.28 10:42:00 -
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Corp Theft requires no guide.
Just ignoring that you can hurt real people behind their chars to an almost unacceptable degree and in a very immoral way.
It is only a game - right. Let it be only a game and think twice if the fun you gain is not too much at the expense of others.
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Fitz's Spy
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Posted - 2005.10.28 11:47:00 -
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To be made a director of a corp with anything worth sealing you would need to be in that corp for at least 6 months with a reasonably proficient character and be taking a very active part in that corp.
At the end of it you might steal, what, a billion isk worth of suff, 2 billion maybe? If you just put half as much effort into running agent missions or trading you would make even more in a shorter period of time, so unless you are doing it for revenge or somethign what is the point?
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Serina Seduia
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Posted - 2005.10.28 12:08:00 -
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Been there, done that! It took me 3-4 days to get full acces. Then the corp hangar was mine
Happy halloween griefers
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Jestat
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Posted - 2005.10.28 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Longasc Corp Theft requires no guide.
Just ignoring that you can hurt real people behind their chars to an almost unacceptable degree and in a very immoral way.
It is only a game - right. Let it be only a game and think twice if the fun you gain is not too much at the expense of others.
REAL LOSS thats what this game is all about, so stop crying that large corps can get screwed by theives. If a corp doesn't wanna get robbed, it can take measures to prevent it.
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