As an explorer, why would you want to be told exactly what's out there to find?

EVE Online's nineteenth free expansion, Odyssey, offers new tools for exploring the stars, challenges you to breach the unknown for adventure and rewards, and to face what lies on the other side.

So you want more people into exploration since it give more emergent gameplay so you are making it as shallow nad boring as missions !!
Congratulations on your mastery of logic.

How so?

They removed the tedious mechanics of probing like putting probes in formation one probe at a time.
They are replacing the predictable waves of NPC to kill for puzzle games.

I don't see how it makes exploring shallow and boring.

The scanning mods might be OP and the automatic recall of probes might be unnecessary. I don't think it's a bead deal; it makes scanning easier but certainly not shallow or boring.

I understand why miner would be butthurt about their gravs... But explorers should rejoice.

How so?

They removed the tedious mechanics of probing like putting probes in formation one probe at a time.
They are replacing the predictable waves of NPC to kill for puzzle games.

I don't see how it makes exploring shallow and boring.

The scanning mods might be OP and the automatic recall of probes might be unnecessary. I don't think it's a bead deal; it makes scanning easier but certainly not shallow or boring.

I understand why miner would be butthurt about their gravs... But explorers should rejoice.

I understand why miner would be butthurt about their gravs... But explorers should rejoice.

Exploration is something that appeals to a lot of players, but because it is so obscure it was rarely something that newer players entered early. Instead, newer players tend to go for easily accessible systems like missioning or mining as their first careers.The goal was to try to make exploration as easily accessible in the early stages as those two, as exploration allows players to experience better the unique flair of EVE than mining or missioning does.

A small comment on EVE philosophy from me related to some of the conversation in here:
No one here at CCP wants to reduce consequences in EVE as a whole.
The fact that your actions have real consequences is obviously one of the most central parts of EVE design, and I promise that we don't want to move away from that as an over all design philosophy. The thing we are looking at with clones, is that currently the consequences are attached to something arbitrary (account age) which is potentially causing people to actually engage in less risky behavior overall.
There's a lot of directions the clone system COULD go, and I can't say anything specific about that right now. The important thing here is that we A: don't want to make a style of game-play, which we like, inaccessible via an arbitrary tax, and B: generally, consequences aren't going anywhere, so don't worry.

Please allow us to save our own probe configuration.

Please fix it so the columns Distance, ID, Scan Group, Group, and Type can be adjusted in width instead of scaling with the whole scanner window.

So you pick one of the three posts in the 10 pages of comments that like the idea to respond to? How about responding to the rest of us who thing these changes SUCK?

You are killing markets that people are heavily invested into.

You are killing skills that people are heavily invested into.

You are killing wh mining completely..

Just to mention three of the major issues, not to mention having to micro manage how many probes are in our launchers....

But go ahead, respond to the one positive post instead of actually listening to your playbase. Have you guys not learned ANYTHING over the last 10 years?!?!?

There are two pre-set formations coming in Odyssey for players to use GÇô Spread (probes aligned to cover a large area) and Pinpoint (probes aligned to focus on one point). These are not intended to be the absolute best possible formations, but rather a solid starting point for budding explorers.

The probes launch into space next to your ship, but the formation view in the solar system map is centered around the sun and is not indicating the current position of the probes until you hit scan and they warp to the positions you've determined.

The recall and expire options have been changed a bit GÇô recall is now instantaneous and happens automatically on system jump or dock. Probes still have a timer, but instead of being lost when the timer is out, they automatically recall instead.

Deep Space Probes (DSP) are being removed. With the overall changes to scanning (not just probe scanning, but also the addition of the Sensor Overlay)

You launch all probes in your launcher at once, regardless of how many you currently have loaded.

The default method for moving probes is a single handle for all probes you have out.

Probes will also resize together by default

The progress towards getting a warpable signature has been made much more visually clear.

WeGÇÖre adding new modules that affect scan probing.

WeGÇÖre changing the terminology of a few things (woop!)

We added Personal Hangar Array; We adjusted the arrows and camera when positioning POS modules.

Tech II (Capital) BPCs you get from exploration sites or through invention.

the June 4th release needs to be pushed out at least a month, if CCP is actually going to LISTEN to the player base and roll some of this stuff back.

all we want:

• user defined launch pattern(s)
• bring back Deep Space Probes
• remove the new probe mods, there is no need. restore the meaning of the current probing skills, as they are on TQ today.
• keep your overlay in as a novelty item but do not force it upon us.
• do not show all signatures in the system by default when entering it
• do not magically recall probes
• allow the launch of one probe

A LETTER TO THE DEVELOPERS OF EVE

Lets take a walk down memory lane, o forgetful developers of Eve. BEHOLD!


A LETTER TO THE FOLLOWERS OF EVE
05.10.2011 17:29 By CCP Hellmar

Dear Followers of EVE Online,

The past few months have been very humbling for me. IGÇÖve done much soul searching, and what follows is my sincere effort to clear the air with all of you. Please bear with me as I find my way through.

The estrangement from CCP that many of you have been feeling of late is my fault, and for that I am truly sorry. There are many contributing factors, but in the end it is I who must shoulder the responsibility for much of what has happened. In short, my zeal for pushing EVE to her true potential made me lose sight of doing the simple things right. I was impatient when I should have been cautious, defiant when I should have been conciliatory and arrogant when I should have been humble....

..... Somewhere along the way, I began taking success for granted. As hubris set in, I became less inclined to listen to pleas for caution. Red flags raised by very smart people both at CCP and in the community went unheeded because of my stubborn refusal to allow adversity to gain purchase on our plans. Mistakes, even when they were acknowledged, often went unanalyzed, leaving the door open for them to be repeated.

You have spoken, loudly and clearly, with your words and with your actions. And there were definitely moments in recent history when I wish I would have listened more and taken a different path.

I was wrong and I admit it.

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In the interest of time I'll just cut that off right there, because if you're capable of getting the point it'll be enough.

Stop ignoring us. Address the many repeated concerns voiced in not only this thread but since this feature set was added to the test server.

Don't pick out the one or two positive posts that you made with your alts just to generate the appearance that this is some kind of dynamic exchange of information.

We pay you for this game. We deserve to be treated like we matter. You need to respond to the CRITICISM of this feature set, you need to do it now and you need to LISTEN to us before you put these changes into effect on the live server.

the June 4th release needs to be pushed out at least a month, if CCP is actually going to LISTEN to the player base and roll some of this stuff back.

all we want:

• user defined launch pattern(s)
• bring back Deep Space Probes
• remove the new probe mods, there is no need. restore the meaning of the current probing skills, as they are on TQ today.
• keep your overlay in as a novelty item but do not force it upon us.
• do not show all signatures in the system by default when entering it
• do not magically recall probes
• allow the launch of one probe

First... Oh wait :)

While I am happy about the Overlay and Scanning changes in general there are some details left to sort out after the Expansion hits..

I will try to work with CCP to resolve all possible issues connected to above mentioned features.

If you any of you feel that changes are bad in some way please hit me up with eve mail with reasons and how would you like this or that mechanic to be implemented and I will make sure the information is available to CCP in constructive manner.