Lets let CCP Greyscale answer that.

So, you wont quit eve like that CSM member says you would?

So, you would adapt, to these changes that only remove the safety net of instant safe cynos.

So, you would use this new ability to attack your opponents in coming and out going supply's instead of grinding there billions of structure HP?

I'm simply stunned.


So, this has been nothing but page after page of Null sec bears complaining about how it adds TO MUCH RISK, to there null space?



WHO would of ever though Null players where risk adverse!

GÇóMaking something tedious will not stop players doing it if it's very clearly the best option. They'll do it, and they'll hate it

You highsec carebears moving your freighterfuls of materials around without a care in the world, with your industry slots that far outstrip ours out in null by ~2600% oh and you can keep your BPOs in the unconquerable stations as well.

Cry me a river when CCP finally charge you to use that industrial capacity a "fair and ballanced" price, instead of the virtually free as it is now.

Ahahahahahah, just look at all the freighters kill 99% of them are in high sec. Implying people are fighting over stations in null ahahaha, nullspace like wormholespace should never be self-sufficient so it's pretty normal.
Dumb freighters pilots can die in highsec, but they can't die in null since cyno is ******-proof wow balanced.
Checkmate atheist.

You highsec carebears moving your freighterfuls of materials around without a care in the world, with your industry slots that far outstrip ours out in null by ~2600% oh and you can keep your BPOs in the unconquerable stations as well.

Cry me a river when CCP finally charge you to use that industrial capacity a "fair and ballanced" price, instead of the virtually free as it is now.

Never happening.

Never say never. People said tech would never get nerfed too. If players and the CSM are consistant, resonable, and persistant anything is possible with the new CCP development approach. I personally hope that includes taking another look at NPC station service pricing.

And i dont think I'm alone ^^

Never say never. People said tech would never get nerfed too. If players and the CSM are consistant, resonable, and persistant anything is possible with the new CCP development approach. I personally hope that includes taking another look at NPC station service pricing.

And i dont think I'm alone ^^

Sofia seems to think we don't take on industrialists now because we hate them. This is not true.

The actual solution is to correct the imbalance, not to "shoot the messenger" of logistics.

Put all of CFC space together and we have less production slots than one of the high sec systems dispite spending hundreds of billions in improving it.

The mechanics simply do not allow industry to happen in 0.0 so there is no point in going for industrial players or miners.

CCP will never nerf cynos, nullbabies would cry too much (even tho they only represent like 20% of the eve total population and not the most interesting one :blob:).

The mechanics already exist to allow industry to happen in 0.0. It's just that there are also many mechanics in play that make the alternative of "make stuff in hisec, jump freighter it to null" more profitable. Then there's the issue of alliance leadership proclaiming that industrialists are only allowed in certain systems if at all, refusing to reimburse for losses to blues, treating industrialists as objects instead of people, demanding that products be listed in nullsec markets at Jita prices, ad nauseum.

The greatest problem with null sec is the people in null sec.

The mechanics already exist to allow industry to happen in 0.0. It's just that there are also many mechanics in play that make the alternative of "make stuff in hisec, jump freighter it to null" more profitable. Then there's the issue of alliance leadership proclaiming that industrialists are only allowed in certain systems if at all, refusing to reimburse for losses to blues, treating industrialists as objects instead of people, demanding that products be listed in nullsec markets at Jita prices, ad nauseum.

The greatest problem with null sec is the people in null sec.

My suggestions are to make industry player-driven in all areas of the game, with NPC services available as a crutch or boot-strapping exercise (for the hypothetical situation of the game being started from scratch). By pushing industry into POSes, nullsec gets the "farms and field" style of play that various people were ever so keen on during CSM6, and wardecs start to become more meaningful. That line of thought doesn't seem to have been carried on by recent nullsec advocates though.

I wonder what happened to the fascination with farms and fields? I wonder if someone grew a brain and realised that having farms and fields means not only do you get stuff to shoot at to hurt your enemy, but they get stuff of yours to shoot in order to hurt you.

The greatest problem with null sec is the people in null sec.

You can go ad hominem all you want

So you want to bin all station production slots and just have it happen in POS?

newbie production.

So you want to bin all station production slots and just have it happen in POS?

Perhaps keep NPC lines but tax them to the level of a POS requirements and limit a player to just one per character.

They then have a good reason to get into player owned corps even if its just them in a one man corp.

Not saying thats deliberate but its possible to have a conflict of interest in the current dev CSM null alliance RL buddy stuff that goes on.

yes I remember reading all of those PC Gamer articles about the amazing exploits of some highsec miner

oh wait you're wrong because nullseccers are actually the most important players in this game since they create the only content that matters, like the battle of asakai and burn jita, while highseccers on the other hand are seen but not heard and never make any meaningful impact anywhere

How much publicity a group gets doesn't relate to how meaningful they are to a society. In real life, we'd have much more trouble getting on without nurses, teachers, garbage collectors and builders than we would if we got rid of say, professional footballers - but who gets the most attention and money? Burn Jita would have been meaningless without the traders, haulers and the rest.

So despite all the factual, numerical data provided that prove otherwise, you're going with "Grr! Nullseccers!"?

Just in this thread, you have shown yourself to be a liar (There is no factual, numerical data that says you CAN'T do industry in null efficiently.)

There is no factual, numerical data that says you CAN'T do industry in null efficiently.

Hello

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