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The Masia
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Posted - 2005.10.28 16:43:00 -
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I'm stuck in the point of EVE where I'm not able to make enough isk that isn't going to take a year to buy my next ship. HAC prices are pretty high atm and I'm a fighting pilot. I really can't do much anymore with little isk. I can't really make it back because my skills don't help that much. Somethings I use to do before I took a break was do complex's and stuff but they're seriously camped out all the time. So now I dono what to do. I like EVE and it's to the point now where the ISK sink is really taking a toll on me. I want to PvP but not to the point where if I lose something I got to spend millions of man hours to lose it again. I don't really want to fly a Interceptor or Assault frig at that matter. I'll lose that faster than I would a cruiser. So the only options are elite cruisers or battleships for a lone hero like myself. That may be the problem though. Eve might not appeal to me. Maybe I should save up some isk for a carebear alt instead? Maybe join a alliance and leech them? I dono =( Help! What do I do!?!
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.28 16:46:00 -
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Fly ships you can afford to lose.
How hard is that? ______________________________________________
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Pestillence
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Posted - 2005.10.28 16:51:00 -
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Change your play style.
"Lone hero" - get some corp mates to fight on your side. Get a hac or a bs and you WILL lose it as well. Probably to 3 inties
Theres a lot of 4/10 plexes in 0.4 space in Verge Vendor. If they are camped to get to pvp just before you carebear
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.10.28 16:55:00 -
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Hmm, you say you are a lone wolf.
Is that your preferred style of play based on experience in Eve ? Or haven't you tried being in a larger corp of mixed membership yet ?
If the latter, then try that. Combiend effort makes very light work. I for example wouldn't even need isk to replace ships lost because my corp does it for me as a combined effort. I still do, because certain ways of making isk are still enjoyable to me.
Try that, a larger established corp can lift you to that higher level for as long as you need untill you can stand on your own feet and make more isk then you need. That's the time when you start paying back the corp a bit by contributing more then you need. It's this corporate philosphy that I've always seen as the ideal for Eve.
Now, as to the specific shiptypes. Assault frigates on average will last longer then a tech1 cruiser. At least, they do with me. They are in fact better ships on most fronts for the tasks one would normally perform with a tech1 cruiser. As to battleships, once you have one and are able to use it decently, your potential for making isk rises quite significantly.
Also, if you decide playing in a group is your thing after all, move to 0.0 space after a while. Making isk there is so much easier, especially in a group that can take some care of itself. Getting a new ship from the hangars i keep them in (empire for BS and HAC, 0.0 bases for anything else) literally costs me more time then would making the isk to pay for them if I had to.
I'm not saying it's that easy for everyone, because it is not. Neither would I say that that means you can spend all your time consuming and very little effort on producing or logistics, but at the very least you get to minimize that time. We aren't all in corps as well run (thanks to some very valuable members specifically, but everyone to a certain degree) as Evolution is. _______________________________________________
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The Masia
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Posted - 2005.10.28 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: The Masia on 28/10/2005 17:21:58
Originally by: Avon Fly ships you can afford to lose.
How hard is that?
Pretty hard if you can't get isk. I'm not flying a tech 1 frigate. I pvp and want something stable. I'm perfectly aware of how effective a rifter or kestrel can be in Pvp. But I'm not going to lose. I want a good ship that can take a number of ships big and small. HAC's, Battleships, even Battlecruisers serve that role. These ships are expensive to lose. When you have no way of making ISK back with your trade if you fall in the rut. Which I can't. So your suggestion is pointless.
I figured it would come down to joining a corp. I just don't like to leech or to join just for what they control. I want to be loyal to something I believe in not just for ISK because EVE hasn't giving me a way to make anything other than killing NPC's, Complexs, and Agent missions. Killing npc's in empire will take me a year. Going to 0.0 I can't do unless I have a decent ship like a tech 2 frig/hac/battleship and the LUCK I can make it out alive. Agent missions are just about the same. I would only be able to do level 3's if not 2's.
man this sucks because I really want to play not reroll into a miner and start from 0 again.
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markol
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Posted - 2005.10.28 17:22:00 -
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Mining in a megathron, you can make about 15mil every 45 minutes. Add to that time needed to move the ore to a refining post. But the number does not change that drastically. You can do all this solo. I am training for a large barge now. The money making will increase drastically once I can use that.
NPC hunting, depending on how lucky you are, you can make similar amounts, if not more. You can move into 0.0 and successfully live there by yourself (as part of an alliance) after about 5 months in game. Get yourself into a BS, learn to tank and use big guns, and you are set. That's all there is to it. After that, you can mine/hunt yourself a brand new bs in just a few days of dedicated work. Mining is much more efficient in my opinion, but damn is it boring.
Hope this helps.
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The Masia
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Posted - 2005.10.28 17:24:00 -
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Yeah I know all about that but that requires me to join an alliance I don't like and to fight for a cause thats not mine. Eve is about choosing your own path. I see it, but now I'm not.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.10.28 17:27:00 -
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Hmm, during that time of your play corps are what make the biggest difference indeed.
You can however earn enough for a BS, insurance and some extra using an AF or cruiser at lvl 3 missions or complexes, but it's not going to be as easy as when you'd have two more guys with you.
With 2 af's and a BS, you could be doing a 6/10 complex and find a faction bs bpc after a while, not to mention the nice loot and bounties. But, that's in 0.0, not empire.
I don't think you should expect to be making your own way in 0.0 at this stage. You either need to hold out till you've got a bs and used that to earn alot of isk (needing good skills to use it), or you'll need to join a corp.
And joining is not by definition leeching. As I said, many hands simply make lighter work. Newer players perform roles just as important when mining arkonor if they haul the ore for example. Can't mine without a hauler. It would be a pretty crappy corp if they can't live with that tbh. And your share of a full fledged mining op in 0.0 far exceeds a week's worth of doing lvl 2-3's. _______________________________________________
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LcGhK9
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Posted - 2005.10.28 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: markol Mining in a megathron, you can make about 15mil every 45 minutes. Add to that time needed to move the ore to a refining post. But the number does not change that drastically. You can do all this solo. I am training for a large barge now. The money making will increase drastically once I can use that.
What are you mining? and in what sec system?
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The Masia
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Posted - 2005.10.28 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: LcGhK9
Originally by: markol Mining in a megathron, you can make about 15mil every 45 minutes. Add to that time needed to move the ore to a refining post. But the number does not change that drastically. You can do all this solo. I am training for a large barge now. The money making will increase drastically once I can use that.
What are you mining? and in what sec system?
He was refering to 0.0 mining. Which I can't do.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2005.10.28 18:34:00 -
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So you wanna solo, have money, have great ships AND not deal with players unless you're shooting them ? Sorry. Cooperation isn't an option in any good MMO.
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Simone Darklight
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Posted - 2005.10.28 19:33:00 -
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You can easily make several million isk per hour running level 3 kill missions. You can do them in tech1 cruisers if you really have to but they're a piece of cake in either AF's or BC's.
Personally I'd go with the AF as they're a lot more fun to fly and are much, much stronger/more dangerous than tech1 cruisers.
You can quickly make enough isk on level 3 missions to buy yourself a BS or a HAC if that's what you want to do. Or you can make enough to fund the inevitable losses you will experience if you decide to go off to 0.0 solo.
In either case mission running will let you make enough isk to buy your toys and replace them if you get blowed up real good.
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HairyGary
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Posted - 2005.10.28 19:45:00 -
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Quote: Pretty hard if you can't get isk. I'm not flying a tech 1 frigate. I pvp and want something stable. I'm perfectly aware of how effective a rifter or kestrel can be in Pvp. But I'm not going to lose.
If you're not going to lose, you don't have to worry about whether or not you can afford to have your ship destroyed!
Quote: man this sucks because I really want to play not reroll into a miner and start from 0 again.
I don't get this. Why would you have to reroll and start over to mine?
Step 1: Train mining skills on your current character Step 2: Mine
No need to reroll.
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2005.10.28 19:53:00 -
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EVE has many tools for earning money. If you refuse them, there isn't anything we can do for you short of donations, but then you're just a beggar. Train mining skills and mine in empire. Fly level 3 missions for agents in empire. Hit up some trade runs in empire. Join GenericMiningCorp#631 and do some mining ops, then leave when you are rich again.
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