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Sek Des
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:14:00 -
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Made a post in the market discussion with zero responses, about the future Price of Ice. I am surprised , Sounds like a great way to create chaos that could stimulate the EvE economy. Ships should be popping including more ice miners. Anyone agree its a good idea that is not getting much attention ?
@ 11 minutes CCP stream from today |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:32:00 -
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i'm not actually convinced they're sure what they're talking about, especially with regard to high sec ice mining.
they want to make it less passive, yet you can still go afk until your cargo is full. it's still just as passive and afkable. they want to reward people for putting in more effort, but changing which menu the ice belt appears on isn't "more effort", yet every one is getting more reward.
don't get me wrong, the ice changes are nice and all but they really don't address either of the points they keep banging on about.
oh also that "war dec" comment made me giggle. so fozzy, when are we going to be able to wardec npc corps? because that's what it'll take to war dec miners. or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced?
i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:43:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:
i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
I doubt it. |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Danni stark wrote:
i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
I doubt it.
me too, sadly. i think i typed that line to convince myself more than any one else. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Sek Des
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:49:00 -
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Danni stark wrote: i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
If you go around and scan ships you will be surprised how many ice miners are under tanked in macs , hardly ever see hulks. I see a resurgence in ganking on the horizon. I can see Skiffs happening<-- |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:52:00 -
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Sek Des wrote:Danni stark wrote: i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
If you go around and scan ships you will be surprised how many ice miners are under tanked in macs , hardly ever see hulks. I see a resurgence in ganking on the horizon
Oh we aren't shocked. Even at the height of the ice interdictions they flew untanked hulks with cargo extenders that made them even easier to gank. Even now they chose to fly retrievers that are profitable to gank over macks that aren't. |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Even now they chose to fly retrievers that are profitable to gank over macks that aren't.
i do this. there are a myriad of reasons why.
however i did go and gank a miner the other day, and it was actually an eye opener of how easy it was to do. i was actually sitting there for a food 3-4 seconds waiting for concord after the gank.
the problem with mackinaws is that unless you fill them with 3x IHUs and leave yourself with enough free fitting room for 1 invuln and probably not a lot else depending on your rig selection (of which you only have 1 slot to use) then you're better off in a skiff as the yield will be equal or greater and you'll have far superior tank. however 3 IHUs just make you a nice target for padding killboards unlike a retriever.
if i was going to lose one of the two, i'd rather lose retrievers than mackinaws. easier on the wallet. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sek Des wrote:Danni stark wrote: i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
If you go around and scan ships you will be surprised how many ice miners are under tanked in macs , hardly ever see hulks. I see a resurgence in ganking on the horizon Oh we aren't shocked. Even at the height of the ice interdictions they flew untanked hulks with cargo extenders that made them even easier to gank. Even now they chose to fly retrievers that are profitable to gank over macks that aren't.
That's because they're going for volume.
Example: http://i.imgur.com/KI0ifJG.jpg
Losing one retriever or ten doesn't matter, but you want to maximize the number of ice coming in. The odessey changes primarily aim to force scarcity on a currently infinite resource, this means there will be a price floor for this commodity, so the faster you can stockpile them now, the bigger your RoI will be. |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:04:00 -
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that screenshot. how old were the characters there? did you check? i'm curious. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Sek Des
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:04:00 -
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The New tags should make it nice and easy to gank under tanked stuff consistently with out much trouble. I look forward to the chaos in the market, could drive up Ice price and general chaos( is my hope).
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:06:00 -
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Sek Des wrote:The New tags should make it nice and easy to gank under tanked stuff consistently with out much trouble. I look forward to the chaos in the market, could drive up Ice price and general chaos( is my hope).
as far as i can tell, there are still easier ways to raise sec status. or at least, lazier ways. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:19:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Sek Des wrote:The New tags should make it nice and easy to gank under tanked stuff consistently with out much trouble. I look forward to the chaos in the market, could drive up Ice price and general chaos( is my hope).
as far as i can tell, there are still easier ways to raise sec status. or at least, lazier ways.
We don't even bother.
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We don't even bother.
trying to figure out if that's lazy, or efficient... Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1901
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:24:00 -
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Can we have a T2 POS that runs with biofuels and solar energy?
And a reaction to synthesize liquid ozone out of oxygen.
Thank you. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:34:00 -
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i do not think it will be such a chaos ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers
price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular
i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:22:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:i do not think it will be such a chaos ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers
price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular
i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs They won't be safe from gankers because the gankers put more effort into their gameplay than the ice miners, they will follow the miners and make them explode, nothing will change in that respect. What may change is that we may end up with groups of ice miners willing to fight for "ownership" of a belt, or at least employ others who are willing to gank rival groups of miners.
It already happens in some small way, for example James and his merry band of suicidal pilots have both financial and material support from some miners and industrialists, they're good for business.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
John Ratcliffe
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:43:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced?
20% less tax isn't enough?
Plus +ša change, plus c'est la m+Žme chose |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
9033
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:53:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Danni stark wrote:...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced? 20% less tax isn't enough? Try 11%, that's the NPC corp tax rate.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:59:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:i do not think it will be such a chaos ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers
price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular
AFAIK there won't be any systems with static icebelts
pussnheels wrote:i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs
Agreed. The Tearnami will be amazing.
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:13:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Danni stark wrote:...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced? 20% less tax isn't enough?
mine in npc corp, trade ore to 1 char tax shelter refiner. sell maximum profit. tax shelter char never leaves station so no worry about war dec and npc corp means you can mine with only the minuscule chance of being ganked. bonus - this can all be done on one account and with the new plex system will allow you to train that corp holder without ruining progression on your main. |
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:32:00 -
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The Dev blogs didn't go into enough details in regards to ice for my liking so I taking the "sit back and wait and see" approach until everything settles down again. Amphetimines are your friend.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok |
John Ratcliffe
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:43:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Danni stark wrote:...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced? 20% less tax isn't enough? Try 11%, that's the NPC corp tax rate.
I thought it was 20%, but whatever, the point stands. Plus +ša change, plus c'est la m+Žme chose |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:05:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Danni stark wrote:...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced? 20% less tax isn't enough?
sorry, when did mining become taxable? Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1233
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:pussnheels wrote:i do not think it will be such a chaos ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers
price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular
i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs They won't be safe from gankers because the gankers put more effort into their gameplay than the ice miners, they will follow the miners and make them explode, nothing will change in that respect. What may change is that we may end up with groups of ice miners willing to fight for "ownership" of a belt, or at least employ others who are willing to gank rival groups of miners. It already happens in some small way, for example James and his merry band of suicidal pilots have both financial and material support from some miners and industrialists, they're good for business. you have a point but i said the smart miners , those who watch what is happening around them and those we take precautions
it is a steep learning curve and some of them never bother to even start the climb , those the ones that will fall victim
i think they call it survival of the fittestst( or smartest one in this case)
edit and why would they even bother to scan miners out iif there will be dozens of miners doing the afk thing in those few static icebelts why put in effort while there are plenty of possible ganks next door I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Danni stark wrote:
i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
I doubt it.
erm, it's happening. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:47:00 -
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What is all this talk about static ice belts and needing to "scan down" ice fields. Did I miss something?
As far as I know there are no static ice belts and ice anomalies are auto scanned by the new scanner to 100%. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:59:00 -
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OP:
Do not create more than one thread on a topic.
Do not cross post to several forums.
This thread is locked, please take your discussion over here. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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