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Saorlan
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:44:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:floating in space wrote:There's nothing wrong with complaining about an expansion you don't like.
I honestly hope some of you are being paid to defend CCP and aren't just volunteering. It's perfectly fine to dislike an expansion. Different strokes, and all that. The problem with the OP isn't that they dislike the expansion, but rather that their stated reason for disliking it - that the only thing it does is adjust the scanning system - is completely, utterly bullshit, and so obviously factually incorrect that the OP is, frankly, lying. That's the only word for it. There's also: -Tags4Sec -A rebalance of a ton of mats - High end ores, Ice, and moon minerals. -POS management improvements -A metric asston of ship rebalancing -Navy battlecruisers! -An assortment of module rebalances -Capital rigs -Skill changes/tiericide -Bunch of visual changes -Pretty sure I saw something about some performance enhancements, as well. And this isn't even kindasorta an exhaustive list.
The OP is dead on the nail.
He/she is not saying that the changes being made in this patch are relatively minor and what people really want (yes the vast majority of interested potential players or ex-players = far far more than the current tiny 50k player base) is to see some meaningful expansion to the game, something new like going missioning outside your pod.
S/he refers to to the unity engine prototype that CCP themselves made to showcase an idea they had about exploration on sites where you would get out your ship and actually explore a deserted station. According to these people who go on and on about Jita (they miss understood what Jita was about BTW) no one wants to see amazing things like this in Eve....er well I ******* do and so do the ******* developers - from day 1 that has always been the idea. How walking on a station is like playing WOW is beyond me. Space Barbie? **** off and engage you brain before giving glib retorts like that out.
Jita was about the frustration players felt at ONLY having the CC added. They wanted so much more. This got hijacked by ******* saying no WiS development should ever take place again. No that is not what we were complaining about! It was the lack of and slow development of WiS as well as major changes still needed in the spaceship game.
I agree that CCP need to grow a pair and sock it to these puritanical Eve boys that want to see the game stagnate into history.
They game is crying out for some real expansions and not these patches to keep the wankers that
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1139
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:53:00 -
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Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:LOL
Tell me again how much you are paying for these expansions...
And have you even read the dev blogs pertaining to Odyssey? Or did you see "exploration" and "scanning" and get stuck on that? FYI, there's a whole lot more to it.
Also, if the only thing you seem to care about is walking around with your avatar instead of flying spaceships (which by the way is what this game is all about), then go play WoW. You can walk around Dumbassland all you want to.
Have a terrible day. *rolls eyes*
The level of critical thinking on this forum has taken a noticeable drop.
While the work CCP is putting into refining and fixing game features is much appreciated, it is not exactly an expansion, is it? Lets say that again...ex-pan-sion....to expand or grow. Odyssey, imo, is not an expansion. They're changing ship stats and skill requirements. I've seen this game before. It's a shell game. You just have to guess where they put the pea. I would no more call a shell game an expansion than I would Odyssey. What you put off as an expansion, I see days of reworking already refined fits and then hours re-fitting those ships. No exactly what I consider fun.
There's actually no new content that I'm aware of. I could be wrong. I generally only give CCP's expansions a brief glance since most are not really expansions. The only thing I'm aware of that could be considered an expansion is the click fest that exploration is about to become with the new mini-game.
As for paying for the game, at $15/month that's $180/yr. I've been playing since '09. That's $1,620 so far. With 3 toons, that's $4,860. It's a rather expensive game, comparatively. Frankly, CCP only gives us an expansion about every 3 years. The rest is to make up for shoddy execution. HTFU!...for the children! |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:57:00 -
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I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release.
Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly."
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Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1489
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:08:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release. Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly."
Falcon strikes again!! You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:20:00 -
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Eve Online - Where people will complain before its out,while its being deployed, after its out, on the forums, on twitter, all over the internet. New content? RIOT. Tweaking old ideas into better ones? COMPLAIN.
I love you eve online community. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1154
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:24:00 -
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The fail is strong in these GD forums of late.
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse "The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Saorlan
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release. Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly."
It does not matter how many bullet points there are in the list as they are all just tweaks still and not an expansion. They equate to a patch but not an expansion.
CCP Falcon it is a shame you did not comment on the OPs valid argument that development in this game is very very very slow and perhaps it is about time to stop listening to the Jita Trolls and release some real game expansions like space STATION exploration.
Everyone seems to just put up with the terminally slow pace of progress and some people actively promote it. If it continues like this then the next space MMO that has any depth to it ... Star (cough) Citizen (cough) .... will frankly wipe this game and its 50,000 players off the gaming map.
Time for some real expansions. Time to realise the original goal of Eve. Time to open that freeking station door!!! |
Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
793
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:51:00 -
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Sounds like a great expansion. The less they change, the less they break.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
793
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:53:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release. Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly."
Exactly! You made the lame square thing a circle. You just can't please some people!
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Blake Gates Heleneto
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
56
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:56:00 -
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Some of you speak so lowly of this game, it's developers and every single step CCP makes. I wonder why the hell you guys even still play and/or continue to pay for a subscription. And you wonder about my goddamn "critical thinking"?! That makes me laugh uncontrollably. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5303
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:57:00 -
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Ship rebalancing on its own qualifies as a fairly significant portion of the expansion, because in a game like EVE where meta is everything just a few changed ship stats can drastically change the PVP dynamic.
Take the Crucible expansion, for example, with the tier 3 BCs. Talk about a game changer...
Not to mention there are other very significant balance changes on the way. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
920
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:59:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Been playing eve for 2 years, slightly underwhelmed by each expansion. But I come to expect this feeling. So meh.
Content here is people to be honest, so I am with you on the meh. Game by itself blows big chunks of rotten pepperoni pizza not even a hobo would eat.
But ahh, the people, I love how most things in the forums, twitter, ingame and out of it end up being like this , now THAT-¦s entertainment. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
894
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:10:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:But ahh, the people, I love how most things in the forums, twitter, ingame and out of it end up being like this , now THAT-¦s entertainment.
the most amazing thing of it all is how it fits the way drama goes in this game like a glove. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Melissa Turner
Dissent.
13
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:23:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release. Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly."
Post it or it never happened. Mr. Dev man... its friday and NOW THE COUNTDOWN TO THE 4TH BEGINS!.. that's next tuesday by the way.. so Bullet Point all you want but RELEASE THE OFFICIAL PATCH NOTES NOW!!
not yelling at you CCP Falcon. just am excited to see what you've guys have worked on... and plan on jumping gates back and forth just to see the new animation for weeks to come... Bring home the Bacon CCP!! Bring its HOME! |
Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:41:00 -
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Saorlan wrote: He/she is not saying that the changes being made in this patch are relatively minor and what people really want (yes the vast majority of interested potential players or ex-players = far far more than the current tiny 50k player base) is to see some meaningful expansion to the game, something new like going missioning outside your pod.
S/he refers to to the unity engine prototype that CCP themselves made to showcase an idea they had about exploration on sites where you would get out your ship and actually explore a deserted station. According to these people who go on and on about Jita (they miss understood what Jita was about BTW) no one wants to see amazing things like this in Eve....er well I ******* do and so do the ******* developers - from day 1 that has always been the idea. How walking on a station is like playing WOW is beyond me. Space Barbie? **** off and engage you brain before giving glib retorts like that out.
CCP pandered far too much to the most obscure demands by even entertaining WiS as a serious idea in the first place. It's terrible because producing the type of game you describe is very unlikely to be done well using a portion of resources of a company which has no proven pedigree to make such a game. There are mounds of terrible games that attempt this type of gameplay as the absolute focus and still cannot pull it off.
To want the game to be something it so fundamentally is not is complete fantasy on the part of you and CCP. Crap, useless content is so much worse than no content. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
40
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:43:00 -
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Leper ofBacon wrote:
To want the game to be something it so fundamentally is not is complete fantasy on the part of you and CCP. Crap, useless content is so much worse than no content.
Thats right! because adding ANY new content could only make people leave the game!
You stupid xxxxxx. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Koj 'Jok
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:53:00 -
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I'm just here to argue that we are indeed paying for these expansions. CCP advertizes two expansions per year. This means they are selling us the game not just on what it is now, but what it will become. Since part of what they are selling is this growth, part of our subscription fee can be assumed to be going to this growth. It is nice, though, that we don't have to pay on top of what we already pay.
That being said, I think this is going to be a good (maybe great) expansion as it should drive a ton of player content. It's effects will last a lot longer than the 6 months to the next expansion. I am looking forward to the turmoil that's less than a week away. |
Doctor Caprician
Scion Development Institute
8
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:14:00 -
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As others have stated before me, expansions aren't always about the biggest and best new shiny being added to the already extant content.
Sometimes they're about making the shiny that is already here even more shiny. This means tweaking/balancing various things, iterating on other things to improve their performance/appeal, etc.
I seem to recall a few years ago shortly after I started playing people complained that CCP would just keep dumping new stuff on top of what was already here all the while neglecting to iterate on the old to improve/fix it. I, for one, am glad to see a change in that behavior (However slow it may have been).
Let us not forget though, that while I think it's a fair statement that a large portion of this upcoming expansion is polish and iteration, there are quite a few new items and features. Not the least of which is a complete rewrite of several modes of play (Exporatin (For better or worse) / Hacking / Archaeology / etc.).
Oh, and Navy Battlecruisers. Aw yiss! |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
720
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:15:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release. Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly."
Still, Odyssey sounds like it's going to be more of an update rather than an expansion. Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
1158
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:05:00 -
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Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:Some of you speak so lowly of this game, it's developers and every single step CCP makes. I wonder why the hell you guys even still play and/or continue to pay for a subscription. And you wonder about my goddamn "critical thinking"?! That makes me laugh uncontrollably.
I can only speak for myself, but the only reason I'm still "subscribed" is because I'm just burning down the old PLEXes I had stockpiled. I log in every 17 days or so to queue a new skill, and check the forum periodically to p*** in peoples' cereal when the topic really needs a reality check.
Back to the original topic of the thread, I too am pretty "meh" towards Odyssey. I fully understand that not all expansions can be about me, the last two or three expansions were very FW-heavy, which is what I was doing at the time. Though I do feel that focusing an expansion on pretty much a single feature is a HUGE mistake, because there's more than an even chance that most people won't give a toss about this feature. The last few expansions containing all that FW stuff? Meaningless to everyone who doesn't care about FW, and that is a VAST majority of EVE. Now, Odyssey is coming with exploration. Which really doesn't interest me or anyone I know. And I dare say, most people in EVE aren't doing exploration. An argument can be made that this is because exploration sucked, but it still sucks (I especially don't care for the "boom, catch the containers" mechanic they dreamed up).
Now, go and look at patch notes from other MMOs. Usually, you will find a little of everything in every patch. There's never a "PvE patch" or a "PvP patch". Some patches are sometimes heavy on any one thing, but for the most part it's fairly well balanced between most common facets of the game. That way, most players remain interested.
Then there's the "fix the obviously broken stuff" changes that II see a lot of support for, like tiericide and ship rebalance. And I agree, it's very much needed. But you gotta ask why? Why does a game 10 years old require a MASSIVE rebalance like that? Maybe because balance was laughably bad before? Meaning someone didn't do a very good job? And instead of asking why that is, we're clapping in support of an overhaul in a 10 year old game that should have happened 8-9 years ago? And this is a "feature" of an expansion? Please.
And that's another thing, a lot of bullet point stuff that makes it into EVE patch notes doesn't even make it into patch notes of other MMOs. Because some of the changes are so minor they're not worth even mentioning. I remember quite a few times in other MMOs being pleasantly surprised finding changes to the game world after a patch, and quite often it was relatively major but wasn't mentioned in the patch notes because even so it was a fairly minor change in the grand scheme of things.
And notice how I've been saying "patch" instead of "expansion"? Yeah, because that's what they are. An expansion is something major that greatly changes the game. Look at WoW expansions - the first added flying and a whole new continent, effectively increasing game world by 30% (and that's 30% of actual content, not empty space where you're supposed to create your own content), arenas, heroic difficulty for dungeons, etc., etc. Now THAT is an expansion. The closest thing I saw in EVE that merited the word expansion was Trinity. Remember Trinity? New ship types and total overhaul of all graphics in the game? Now THAT was an expansion.
Bottom line "err...that's it?" is a pretty fair reaction to what EVE patches have been lately. Not surprising, considering they had to downsize the staff and then split their resources on the "fabulous" Dust that nobody outside of EVE fans didn't even noticed and WoD which is still borderline vaporware with no gameplay footage shown after yet. So it's not at all surprising EVE patches are not at all impressive. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2021
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:08:00 -
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Saorlan wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've been pulling together the patch notes from all our teams and getting them formatted ready for release. Given the sheer number of bullet points, its safe to say there's a bit more than "tweaking the scanning system and changing the way it works slightly." It does not matter how many bullet points there are in the list as they are all just tweaks still and not an expansion. They equate to a patch but not an expansion. CCP Falcon it is a shame you did not comment on the OPs valid argument that development in this game is very very very slow and perhaps it is about time to stop listening to the Jita Trolls and release some real game expansions like space STATION exploration. Everyone seems to just put up with the terminally slow pace of progress and some people actively promote it. If it continues like this then the next space MMO that has any depth to it ... Star (cough) Citizen (cough) .... will frankly wipe this game and its 50,000 players off the gaming map. Time for some real expansions. Time to realise the original goal of Eve. Time to open that freeking station door!!!
When you go back to WOW, can I have your stuff?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Haulie Berry
840
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:36:00 -
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Saorlan wrote:
Time for some real expansions. Time to realise the original goal of Eve. Time to open that freeking station door!!!
Pretty sure the "original goal of Eve" is about as far from WiS as you can get. |
Slutvana Khorkina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:48:00 -
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Not a good thing or a bad thing, but CCP is putting most of the money and effort into other projects. You want WiS, I give you DUST 514 and whatever the heck the vampire game is called (which I sure hope works out better for CCP than Secret World did for Funcom).
What I would like is a game that does spaceships the way Eve does and ground/station content the way SW:TOR did (does, I guess its still around). But alas, apparently we can't have that.
Star Citizen might be what it takes to get Eve more focused. I'm an early backer of it. But also every time I read something from the SC team it screams themepark/carebear to me so I hope I'm wrong. But SC also doesn't seem like its going to have much/any personal content -- just spaceships. I love spaceships -- especially exploding mining barges -- but there is nothing wrong with wanting to walk around a bit as an actual person. Before you discount all that as space barbies you might want to look at all the hard work people put into their profile pictures. Some of you guys actually used isk and even real money to buy goggles and monocles. That goon guy who only shows the top of his head is about the only one I would accept as a legitimate, "I don't want any sort of avatar in my spaceship game" player.
For those of you who sit in station all day scamming (and Erotica 1 who is legit), I bet you would love to sit, avatar like, across the table from someone while you took everything they had.
Odyssey isn't an 'expansion'. Its a huge patch of existing things. Things that need to be fixed. But hardly an expansion. "Imagine the kind of stories people would read about EVE if the carebears got their wish. 'In EVE Online, some people mined. They arranged their mining lasers, and then they did something else for several minutes. Sign up for your free 14 day trial now!'" -- James 315 |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
40
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:50:00 -
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Slutvana Khorkina wrote: ground/station content the way SW:TOR did (does, I guess its still around). .
NO
nonononononnononononononononononnonononononononononono
NO "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5303
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:12:00 -
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Koj 'Jok wrote:I'm just here to argue that we are indeed paying for these expansions. No, you're paying for the privilege of using CCP's servers to play the game. CCP is not under any contractual obligation to deliver expansions to you because you pay your subscription fees, and there are no fees for expansions. You don't really even have to have ever paid a subscription fee to receive the expansion, since you'd still get them if you were on your 14 day trial for example. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
108
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:43:00 -
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Of course we pay for the expansions. You think CCP makes them for free? You really need to think about the whole product concept.
EVE needs new content to bring new players. Tweaks are good for existing players and are very necessary but won't excite people who aren't already playing.
"Wow! They are adding 200 R64 moons? Cool, better sign up now..." Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:45:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:Got out of your ship? Pray do tell what would ever posses me, a capsuleer, leave my precious pod that allows me full control of my ship. Go outside of the 6 to 20 meters of titanium hull that separates my pod and the hard vacuum, and leave the protection of my Blaster Cannons just so Dust Bunny can come and hunt me down?
Come on, have you not been here for the Jita riots? We do not want Avatar exploration, we dont want to run around on foot hopping nimbly bimbly from platform to platform. What we want is spaceships, that is why we are playing this game and CCP is providing plenty of changes to exiting Battlehships and Skills in order to make access and use of said spaceships different for a while after the release of Odessey. Plus its a free freaking expansion, say thank you to CCP that you dont have to pay 30 bucks to play a race of space pandas.
god i would pay for space pandas :D OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:46:00 -
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Roisin Connor wrote:Er... is that it?
You (CCP) have tweaked the scanning system and changed the way it works slightly and are selling this as an expansion.
Does anyone else feel the same way as me after each supposed expansion - utterly dejected and depressed with the progress this game is making. When are CCP going to actually move the game on a bit ie open that station cabin door for our avatar.
There was a brilliant post about a prototype exploration game made in Unity engine that CCP had been protyping. You actually got out of your ship and explored the site, other players could come and hunt you. It was FPS love in space. Where is that? We get a few changes to exploration and call it an expansion.
Oh and you add some new system travel animation....
Man this is the only game that is worth playing at the moment but you guys really need to grow a pair and release something more than tweaks.
Please hurry the **** up CCP.
CCP is scared to change stuff because the core players **** their pants everytime they do something drastic OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Koj 'Jok
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Koj 'Jok wrote:I'm just here to argue that we are indeed paying for these expansions. No, you're paying for the privilege of using CCP's servers to play the game. CCP is not under any contractual obligation to deliver expansions to you because you pay your subscription fees, and there are no fees for expansions. You don't really even have to have ever paid a subscription fee to receive the expansion, since you'd still get them if you were on your 14 day trial for example.
There might not be a contractual obligation, but there are several spots on eveonline.com (CCPs main advertisement for their game) where they state that Eve will be constantly updated. "EVE is regularly updated, enhanced and expanded with new content. EVE expansions will always be FREE. " (taken from eveonline.com/universe) When they use this kind of tag line to attract new players they are making an obligation to the player base to continue updating the game. Furthermore, this obligation is part of of what we are paying for with our monthly subscription, along with the right to use their servers. If we are paying for the growth of the game, then we are paying for expansions.
As to your argument that a 14 day trial account will get these expansions for free, a trial account doesn't have access to a good number of these changes/additions (can't fly BC or BS on trial, most of wealth redistribution doesn't affect a trial account, etc.) so they need to subscribe to get full access to the expansion.
Anyway, that's how I see it.
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Arne Aratur
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:21:00 -
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I suppose these threads pop up when people can't have enough EVE :) Including me.
Plenty of stuff has been prototyped that we (or atleast I) do not know if CCP has any plans for. Will CCP bring any clarity to this? As for this expansion i'm quite content with the content :) |
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