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Roxanne	Posted - 2005.11.01 17:51:00 - [1231] Originally by: Hllaxiu Edited by: Hllaxiu on 01/11/2005 17:44:49 Originally by: j0sephine "Anyways, now that carriers get all damage types back, theres still the issue of being reduced from 15 drones to 10 drones in hitpoints - and thats assuming that drone hitpoints are doubled (which is unlikely)." Given though the carrier in question is at the same time enhanced from 2 full wing of drones to 3, doesn't that even out? ^^;; old: 2x 15 drones worth of hp = 30x 'drone hp' new: 3x 5x 2x drone hp = still 30x 'drone hp' Was more concerned about the Vexor and Ishtar actually, they get (essentially) no spares. Oh, and the Ishkur better come out of this boosted... EDIT: And theres that silly amarr cruiser too... Vexor old: 15 mediums in space and in bay. Vexor new: 5 mediums in space, 7 and a light in bay (or any other combination of 75 dronebay). They get replacements. But if those make up for the loss in HPs in space remains to be seen. Maybe they tweak other stats, too and change drone behavior. The increased survivabilty will have to be tested.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.11.01 17:52:00 - [1232] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 01/11/2005 17:50:55 "Was more concerned about the Vexor and Ishtar actually, they get (essentially) no spares." Oh.. but was under impression the drone bay size bonus remains untouched, which would actually mean they get boost in terms of drone hp? old: 250 + 250 = 500 drone bay = 10 heavies new: 125 + 250 = 375 drone bay = 7 heavies = 14 'old' heavies hp and damage-wise + couple of mids/lights might be wrong on this one though ^^;; I was assuming that the size would be nerfed. I suppose we'll have to wait for the ships to show up on SISI.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2005.11.01 17:52:00 - [1233] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 01/11/2005 17:50:55 "Was more concerned about the Vexor and Ishtar actually, they get (essentially) no spares." Oh.. but was under impression the drone bay size bonus remains untouched, which would actually mean they get boost in terms of drone hp? old: 250 + 250 = 500 drone bay = 10 heavies new: 125 + 250 = 375 drone bay = 7 heavies = 14 'old' heavies hp and damage-wise + couple of mids/lights might be wrong on this one though ^^;; I was assuming that the size would be nerfed. I suppose we'll have to wait for the ships to show up on SISI. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:00:00 - [1234] "I was assuming that the size would be nerfed." Well, there's no mention about change to this bonus in the dev blog, and Tux confirmed somewhere in this thread Ishkur gets the base drone bay reduction to 15m, but keeps the bonus at 5m per level extra... so presuming it'd be done in the same manner for the larger ships, too. But yup, will need to wait and see...
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:00:00 - [1235] "I was assuming that the size would be nerfed." Well, there's no mention about change to this bonus in the dev blog, and Tux confirmed somewhere in this thread Ishkur gets the base drone bay reduction to 15m, but keeps the bonus at 5m per level extra... so presuming it'd be done in the same manner for the larger ships, too. But yup, will need to wait and see...
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:02:00 - [1236] Originally by: j0sephine "I was assuming that the size would be nerfed." Well, there's no mention about change to this bonus in the dev blog, and Tux confirmed somewhere in this thread Ishkur gets the base drone bay reduction to 15m, but keeps the bonus at 5m per level extra... so presuming it'd be done in the same manner for the larger ships, too. But yup, will need to wait and see... Ishkur would be a very nice frigate if it'd get a drone bay of 25m3 and a +10%/level damage bonus. That way you get your 15 light drones and you can't (well, won't) use mediums. Then again IMHO all assault frigs are underpowered in some way so that may actually make the ship overpowered (compared to other AFs).
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:02:00 - [1237] Originally by: j0sephine "I was assuming that the size would be nerfed." Well, there's no mention about change to this bonus in the dev blog, and Tux confirmed somewhere in this thread Ishkur gets the base drone bay reduction to 15m, but keeps the bonus at 5m per level extra... so presuming it'd be done in the same manner for the larger ships, too. But yup, will need to wait and see... Ishkur would be a very nice frigate if it'd get a drone bay of 25m3 and a +10%/level damage bonus. That way you get your 15 light drones and you can't (well, won't) use mediums. Then again IMHO all assault frigs are underpowered in some way so that may actually make the ship overpowered (compared to other AFs). --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Hafthor	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:05:00 - [1238] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Kirtan Loor Already too many pages for me to check them all....I don't know if this is posted before but: I've Heavy Drones III, Drone int IV and Gal cruiser IV Ogre I's have 11 base dps Today: Vexor with 6 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (Heavy Drones III) * 6 drones = 121.44 dps Beginning December: Vexor with 3 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (HD III) * 1.8(DI IV) * 1.4(GC IV) * 3 = 153.01 dps I love using med drones on my vexor currently...swarming enemies with drones is just fun.....Putting 2 Heavies 2 Meds and 1 light gives also same dps in the new config. I don't want these changes....give me my swarm!!! Also...I used to put 13 mining drones on my vexor for mining. Now the mining output is reduced...Drone interfacing still makes up for some loss...I would like to see a change on mining yields for drone carrier ships. I'm not really against giving drone cruisers mining yield bonus. Dominix is a battleship and it just feels wrong that it has mining yield bonus. I suggested to TomB giving Moros a mining yield bonus and he started throwing stuff at me so I will definitly not do that. If battleships should never mine then why introduce the high risk mining of Mercoxit? Do you expect ppl to go out in a Scythe or Osprey to mine Mercoxit? And noone asked for mining dreadnoughts as far as I know. Some people in this thread are actually trying to point out to you very big flaws in your suggestions and you reward them by making fun of them? You would do well to stop taking it as a joke when you are screwing with players skill training. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Hafthor Gallente The Fated	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:05:00 - [1239] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Kirtan Loor Already too many pages for me to check them all....I don't know if this is posted before but: I've Heavy Drones III, Drone int IV and Gal cruiser IV Ogre I's have 11 base dps Today: Vexor with 6 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (Heavy Drones III) * 6 drones = 121.44 dps Beginning December: Vexor with 3 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (HD III) * 1.8(DI IV) * 1.4(GC IV) * 3 = 153.01 dps I love using med drones on my vexor currently...swarming enemies with drones is just fun.....Putting 2 Heavies 2 Meds and 1 light gives also same dps in the new config. I don't want these changes....give me my swarm!!! Also...I used to put 13 mining drones on my vexor for mining. Now the mining output is reduced...Drone interfacing still makes up for some loss...I would like to see a change on mining yields for drone carrier ships. I'm not really against giving drone cruisers mining yield bonus. Dominix is a battleship and it just feels wrong that it has mining yield bonus. I suggested to TomB giving Moros a mining yield bonus and he started throwing stuff at me so I will definitly not do that. If battleships should never mine then why introduce the high risk mining of Mercoxit? Do you expect ppl to go out in a Scythe or Osprey to mine Mercoxit? And noone asked for mining dreadnoughts as far as I know. Some people in this thread are actually trying to point out to you very big flaws in your suggestions and you reward them by making fun of them? You would do well to stop taking it as a joke when you are screwing with players skill training. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Sub'Zero	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:13:00 - [1240] so, WEB drones+BS=bye bye Cruisers and HAC's....great,

Sub'Zero Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:13:00 - [1241] so, WEB drones+BS=bye bye Cruisers and HAC's....great,
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:17:00 - [1242] Edited by: Sykosys on 01/11/2005 18:18:31 EDIT:: Whoops drone bonus is for all dmg types now my point is now NULL SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
Xtro 2	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:17:00 - [1243] Originally by: Blackest Sheep People using drones to create lag happens all the time. Last time I pvp'd, the opponents tried to stop the attack by using Raxes and BS and deploying all the drones at an outgoing gate. Tactics like this probably make a reduction of drones in space necessary. Lag is a severe issue and any attempt to reduce it is welcome. That makes the fault lie in retarded players, not the ships, fine drones are cut back, great just bring more pilots to compensate. UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Xtro 2	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:17:00 - [1244] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: ClawHammer III You forgot to take in account the Drone Interfacing skill being changed to a 20% damage bonus so really you will have about the same amount of drone firepower as you do now. No, I didn't forget the 20% bonus. Please read my post again. My point is that the relative drone firepower of the Dom vs other battleships has effectively been reduced. Everyone can train Drone Interfacing, everyone gets the bonus -- it does not factor into discussions of ship balance. Ehh? Dominix also gehts its 10% thermal bonus, it looses no damage at all, and the others dont gain damage at all ive never used thermal drones ever on my dom, their useless, always 100% tanked and damned slow/buggy to boot. Worst content update ever. (.voice of comic book guy.) UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:17:00 - [1245] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: ClawHammer III You forgot to take in account the Drone Interfacing skill being changed to a 20% damage bonus so really you will have about the same amount of drone firepower as you do now. No, I didn't forget the 20% bonus. Please read my post again. My point is that the relative drone firepower of the Dom vs other battleships has effectively been reduced. Everyone can train Drone Interfacing, everyone gets the bonus -- it does not factor into discussions of ship balance. Ehh? Dominix also gehts its 10% thermal bonus, it looses no damage at all, and the others dont gain damage at all ive never used thermal drones ever on my dom, their useless, always 100% tanked and damned slow/buggy to boot. Worst content update ever. (.voice of comic book guy.) Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:17:00 - [1246] Edited by: Sykosys on 01/11/2005 18:18:31 EDIT:: Whoops drone bonus is for all dmg types now my point is now NULL SYKOSYS Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:17:00 - [1247] Originally by: Blackest Sheep People using drones to create lag happens all the time. Last time I pvp'd, the opponents tried to stop the attack by using Raxes and BS and deploying all the drones at an outgoing gate. Tactics like this probably make a reduction of drones in space necessary. Lag is a severe issue and any attempt to reduce it is welcome. That makes the fault lie in retarded players, not the ships, fine drones are cut back, great just bring more pilots to compensate. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Roxanne	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:20:00 - [1248] Originally by: Xtro 2 Ehh? Dominix also gehts its 10% thermal bonus, it looses no damage at all, and the others dont gain damage at all ive never used thermal drones ever on my dom, their useless, always 100% tanked and damned slow/buggy to boot. Worst content update ever. (.voice of comic book guy.) One should really create an auto-answering machine that types this on every page: bonus changed to all damage types. Forget about racial damage bonus.
Roxanne	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:20:00 - [1249] Originally by: Xtro 2 Ehh? Dominix also gehts its 10% thermal bonus, it looses no damage at all, and the others dont gain damage at all ive never used thermal drones ever on my dom, their useless, always 100% tanked and damned slow/buggy to boot. Worst content update ever. (.voice of comic book guy.) One should really create an auto-answering machine that types this on every page: bonus changed to all damage types. Forget about racial damage bonus.
Ampoliros	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:22:00 - [1250] I started up a new thread here in relation to the 'drone swarm' idea. Feel free to post ideas, concepts, perhaps later additions - whatever. ------------------------------------ Humbug !

Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:22:00 - [1251] I started up a new thread here in relation to the 'drone swarm' idea. Feel free to post ideas, concepts, perhaps later additions - whatever. ------------------------------------ Tech2 Superweapon ftw:
Zeb Boregar	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:23:00 - [1252] Originally by: Tuxford Changing racial damage types to all damage types. Thks! That totally changes the feature of the project. Good point. Now, there is still a major problem. As stated in various posts, drones carriers ships are drones dependant for their damages. As a logical consequence the players will be reluctant to use the new drones.... One solution could be to allow us to pick up drones in our cargo bay and drop them in our drones bay. As it should not be a trick to bypass the drones bay size limitation, put a timer on this operation, say the same as the jettison one.
Zeb Boregar Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:23:00 - [1253] Originally by: Tuxford Changing racial damage types to all damage types. Thks! That totally changes the feature of the project. Good point. Now, there is still a major problem. As stated in various posts, drones carriers ships are drones dependant for their damages. As a logical consequence the players will be reluctant to use the new drones.... One solution could be to allow us to pick up drones in our cargo bay and drop them in our drones bay. As it should not be a trick to bypass the drones bay size limitation, put a timer on this operation, say the same as the jettison one.
Soulita	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:24:00 - [1254] Edited by: Soulita on 01/11/2005 18:26:42 Edited by: Soulita on 01/11/2005 18:24:44 Originally by: HankMurphy KK, that WAS me being nice.... 1)if you cant read 20 pages in 30 minutes, w/o turning off the part of your brain that allows you to read AND understand. you are a retard by every sense of the word (thats right, whomever 'you' may be, your not just slow, you are a retard) I think that statement removes all validity from any posts you ever made and will ever make. (reading 650 posts in 30 minutes means you spent 2.77 seconds per post on average) Also I hope a mod reads your reply as it clearly violates forum rules. I will not deal with you any longer, since you have clearly disqualified yourself.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:24:00 - [1255] Edited by: Soulita on 01/11/2005 18:26:42 Edited by: Soulita on 01/11/2005 18:24:44 Originally by: HankMurphy KK, that WAS me being nice.... 1)if you cant read 20 pages in 30 minutes, w/o turning off the part of your brain that allows you to read AND understand. you are a retard by every sense of the word (thats right, whomever 'you' may be, your not just slow, you are a retard) I think that statement removes all validity from any posts you ever made and will ever make. (reading 650 posts in 30 minutes means you spent 2.77 seconds per post on average) Also I hope a mod reads your reply as it clearly violates forum rules. I will not deal with you any longer, since you have clearly disqualified yourself.
Derran	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:25:00 - [1256] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 01/11/2005 17:53:38 "Was more concerned about the Vexor and Ishtar actually, they get (essentially) no spares." Oh.. but was under impression the drone bay size bonus remains untouched, which would actually mean they get boost in terms of drone hp? old: 250 + 250 = 500 drone bay = 20 heavies new: 125 + 250 = 375 drone bay = 15 heavies = 30 'old' heavies hp might be wrong on this one though ^^;; (edited for wrong heavy drone size >.<;; I don't think you are wrong on the HP of drones. The actual amount may be the question. It is in the dev blog that drones get a HP increase, and that there will be a skill (Drone Durability) that will also increase it as well.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:25:00 - [1257] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 01/11/2005 17:53:38 "Was more concerned about the Vexor and Ishtar actually, they get (essentially) no spares." Oh.. but was under impression the drone bay size bonus remains untouched, which would actually mean they get boost in terms of drone hp? old: 250 + 250 = 500 drone bay = 20 heavies new: 125 + 250 = 375 drone bay = 15 heavies = 30 'old' heavies hp might be wrong on this one though ^^;; (edited for wrong heavy drone size >.<;; I don't think you are wrong on the HP of drones. The actual amount may be the question. It is in the dev blog that drones get a HP increase, and that there will be a skill (Drone Durability) that will also increase it as well.
Forsch	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:27:00 - [1258] Originally by: Zeb Boregar One solution could be to allow us to pick up drones in our cargo bay and drop them in our drones bay. Like the guy in the chronicle does with the vampire drone! From cargo into drone bay. The Auctoritan Syndicate Defenders of the Empire - Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:27:00 - [1259] Originally by: Zeb Boregar One solution could be to allow us to pick up drones in our cargo bay and drop them in our drones bay. Like the guy in the chronicle does with the vampire drone! From cargo into drone bay. Forsch Defender of the empire What have you done CCP..
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