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Moadyb	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:29:00 - [1] Ok, so a new patch is on the horizon and we are in for some new nerfs. Fristly, fixing your damn server problems with a series of nerfs is really starting to **** me off, first we got all that 'cold war' crap, which was BS storyline crap and only there to get people out of yulai. Well that worked great, look at Jita! Then we get the great news that industrial production is going to get seriously nerfed (or made tedious, whatever), also to take of load from the server. Now we get this drone mess! My biggest concern is that Heavies will no longer have any use in taking down smallers ships, ie Cruisers & Frigs. Since CCP basically took away missles for BS support against frigs, so only drones are left. With the planned implementation of tracking (see the dev blog and the highlight of the new skills) Heavies will most likely become worthless against smaller ships (missle nerf anyone?). Only able to control 5 drones means mediums will not be enough to take down smaller targets. Why don't they just remove BSs from Eve and be done with it! CCP, your gonna seriously unbalance BS warfare with this nerf!
bunnygerbil	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:34:00 - [2] Read the blog again, you will be able to use 5 mediums but they will be stronger and deal more damage. And i think they want us to post in here Forum post on drones
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:38:00 - [3] I really hope they boost light drones while they are at this. If 10 light drones with good drone skills cannot currently scratch an untanked inty, how well do you think 5 light drones will fare? Don't believe me? Try it out. Take someone with good drone skills, have them launch 10 light drones vs. a MWDing scrambler inty in a 10-20km orbit (outside web range). Watch the inty pilot laugh to death -- it's the only danger the inty faces. This needs to change. Light drones need some purpose, especially if we're only allowed 5 at a time.
DayVV4lkEr	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Alex Harumichi I really hope they boost light drones while they are at this. If 10 light drones with good drone skills cannot currently scratch an untanked inty, how well do you think 5 light drones will fare? Don't believe me? Try it out. Take someone with good drone skills, have them launch 10 light drones vs. a MWDing scrambler inty in a 10-20km orbit (outside web range). Watch the inty pilot laugh to death -- it's the only danger the inty faces. This needs to change. Light drones need some purpose, especially if we're only allowed 5 at a time. Be happy, at least u can use drones! most caldari ships can't (ok maybe not most but much of them)
Slithereen	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:04:00 - [5] For heaven's sake I can't understand why drones, which are a lot smaller than frigates anyway, require a tracking skill. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Slithereen For heaven's sake I can't understand why drones, which are a lot smaller than frigates anyway, require a tracking skill. Not really, check drones sig radius - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Slithereen For heaven's sake I can't understand why drones, which are a lot smaller than frigates anyway, require a tracking skill. Not really, check drones sig radius Sig radius != ship size
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:50:00 - [8] he means sig RESOLOUTION for their guns "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Trelennen	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Slithereen For heaven's sake I can't understand why drones, which are a lot smaller than frigates anyway, require a tracking skill. Well, they have guns mounted on them. And these guns need to track the target, like all other guns need to. Else we could say "For heaven's sake I can't understand why frigates, which are a lot smaller than cruisers anyway, require a tracking skill." ;) Quote: dont fly what you cant afford to lose, always have it insured, make sure you can replace it before you take it into 0.0 or any potentially kaboomish situations.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:56:00 - [10] No, currently all drone sig resoloution is 25m, making relative tracking pointless. This will hopefully now change. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."

Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.11.01 02:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Moadyb Only able to control 5 drones means mediums will not be enough to take down smaller targets. drone interfacing = 20% damage to drones at level 5 this is an extra 100% damage, thus will do the same damage as 10 medium drones yet cause less lag. Finaly i suggest you post in the official thread. all this whining is doing my head in and this post offers nothing new to the 100s of other threads already on the forums Real men, play Rugby
MWEI	Posted - 2005.11.01 02:37:00 - [12] Quote: drone interfacing = 20% damage to drones at level 5 this is an extra 100% damage, thus will do the same damage as 10 medium drones yet cause less lag. Finaly i suggest you post in the official thread. all this whining is doing my head in and this post offers nothing new to the 100s of other threads already on the forums Infact if you do the math at lv5 with 20% per level its actually 150% bonus to damage. have to say its somewhat satisifying to hear Galente users have something to whine about, missile whine threads are over, now its the drone whine Get used to it, now you know what it feels like to be a missile user.
O'Sirius	Posted - 2005.11.01 02:39:00 - [13] Why don't they just get another server to reduce lag? Other games have been able to separate servers in two.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.11.01 02:41:00 - [14] Originally by: O'Sirius Why don't they just get another server to reduce lag? Other games have been able to separate servers in two. Because uh, the point of EVE is that it isn't sharded?
O'Sirius	Posted - 2005.11.01 02:45:00 - [15] So they're just going to start taking content out to make it less laggy? What's next every ship gets only one gun but it hits much harder? Every corp just have one ship, the more people are in it the harder it hits and the tougher it is?
Trelennen	Posted - 2005.11.01 03:01:00 - [16] Originally by: MWEI Infact if you do the math at lv5 with 20% per level its actually 150% bonus to damage. Err, no it's 100%... Skill at level 5 giving 20% / level result in 100%, not 150%. Final damage = base damage * (1 + 20%5), and not base damage (1.2^5). (so 100% bonus and not 1-1.2^5=148.832%) That's how skills work in EVE... Quote: dont fly what you cant afford to lose, always have it insured, make sure you can replace it before you take it into 0.0 or any potentially kaboomish situations.
Mo Steel	Posted - 2005.11.01 04:51:00 - [17] Originally by: O'Sirius Why don't they just get another server to reduce lag? Other games have been able to separate servers in two. Here comes the clue train, next stop you: Companies are in business with one purpose: To make money. If there is an aspect of the game (say excess drones) that is harming their product (i.e. eve) and causing problems (i.e. lag, crashes, etc.), then that's a problem. Most companies, when faced with a similar problem (i.e. something planned didn't work as expected, or the scale became too large) will seek the most cost-effective method of fixing a problem (i.e. adjusting the way the game works rather than buying more equipment that might not even help.) In this way, CCP makes more in the way of net profits because it does three things: 1. Appeases the playerbase by simplifying and streamlining an overly complex, memory eating style of combat (i.e. 35 drone dreadnoughts and 50+ drone fleet battles per side). 2. Gets the chance to review balance of game features in relation to the task at hand. (i.e. damage tables, hp, etc.) 3. Saves money. This money can then be spent on other things, such as more needed hardware upgrades, staffing upkeep, website revamping, or just to keep things running smoothly. ---CHOO CHOO!--- So the next time you see a game adjust itself because something isn't working well, remember: Companies seek to make their products useful for /everyone/, not /you/.
Mo Steel	Posted - 2005.11.01 04:55:00 - [18] Originally by: O'Sirius So they're just going to start taking content out to make it less laggy? What's next every ship gets only one gun but it hits much harder? Every corp just have one ship, the more people are in it the harder it hits and the tougher it is? What content was removed? I'm rather sure you can still use any drone currently in game.
O'Sirius	Posted - 2005.11.01 04:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Mo Steel So the next time you see a game adjust itself because something isn't working well, remember: Companies seek to make their products useful for /everyone/, not /you/. Oh yeh, nice burn. Except in my Prophecy with its drone bay of 50 m3 I don't get to use drones much. So you whole large flame post is misplaced because your original assumption is incorrect, congratulations. As for this update being useful for everyone... We'll see, but I haven't heard of many Gallante praising this upcoming change.
O'Sirius	Posted - 2005.11.01 05:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Mo Steel Originally by: O'Sirius So they're just going to start taking content out to make it less laggy? What's next every ship gets only one gun but it hits much harder? Every corp just have one ship, the more people are in it the harder it hits and the tougher it is? What content was removed? I'm rather sure you can still use any drone currently in game. Yes and you'll still be able to use any gun in game on your ship if all ships get reduced to one high slot won't you?

Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.01 05:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Moadyb Ok, so a new patch is on the horizon and we are in for some new nerfs. Fristly, fixing your damn server problems with a series of nerfs is really starting to **** me off, first we got all that 'cold war' crap, which was BS storyline crap and only there to get people out of yulai. Well that worked great, look at Jita! Then we get the great news that industrial production is going to get seriously nerfed (or made tedious, whatever), also to take of load from the server. Now we get this drone mess! My biggest concern is that Heavies will no longer have any use in taking down smallers ships, ie Cruisers & Frigs. Since CCP basically took away missles for BS support against frigs, so only drones are left. With the planned implementation of tracking (see the dev blog and the highlight of the new skills) Heavies will most likely become worthless against smaller ships (missle nerf anyone?). Only able to control 5 drones means mediums will not be enough to take down smaller targets. Why don't they just remove BSs from Eve and be done with it! CCP, your gonna seriously unbalance BS warfare with this nerf! Yes, let's all pity the BS who will have fewer, but stronger drones, and can swap out a damage dealing drone for a WEBBING drone. Oh yes, pity those poor bastards. Smaller ship pilots better pray those webber drones are slow or easy to kill, or they're going down. Then again, a Hapry is going to beable to solo tank a moros and its drones now...


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