Some of the mid range ammo is popular for long range pvp. The max range ammo sacrifices too much damage, and gives more range then anyone really wants.

I was going to support this, but hybrid turrets are supposed to do equal parts thermal and kinetic damage (that doesn't happen now, but only because kinetic damage is slightly larger for most ammo), and the capacitor thing would be going too far. Honestly, if I didn't know better, I would think you are trying to make hybrid turrets into projectile turrets.

Edit: And honestly, when does rate of fire become more important than DPS?

i can understand having some kind of different damage patterns but hybrids really dont need a dps or tracking boost to their ammo, they melt faces already well enough

i can understand having some kind of different damage patterns but hybrids really dont need a dps or tracking boost to their ammo, they melt faces already well enough

Do keep in mind that hybrid ammunition is shared with Rail Guns as well, and they suffer from middling tracking and DPS, and excel in range.

I think it's nice to have a variety of ammunition, though I do agree that a large portion of it isn't touched and could use some small buffs. But it's something to be careful about because probably a large amount of the reason those ammo types aren't used is because of engagement ranges. If most of your fights occur with you sitting on top of your enemy, there's no reason not to use Antimatter.

Do keep in mind that hybrid ammunition is shared with Rail Guns as well, and they suffer from middling tracking and DPS, and excel in range.

I think it's nice to have a variety of ammunition, though I do agree that a large portion of it isn't touched and could use some small buffs. But it's something to be careful about because probably a large amount of the reason those ammo types aren't used is because of engagement ranges. If most of your fights occur with you sitting on top of your enemy, there's no reason not to use Antimatter.

buffing the ammo to make railguns better would make blaster who use the same ammo OP
if railgun need a boost buff the weapon not the ammo

OP does indeed seem to be pulling a "let's make hybrids like projectiles" without realizing that it only works with projectiles because of all the different damage profiles available.
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The history of hybrids, gallente and caldari is a history full of misunderstandings.

The problem with hybrids is scaling and proper use of ship bonuses to modify weapon behaviour for different propose on different hulls(gallente/caldari). The current state of hybrids is a endless sting of bad design decisions since 2008, where blasters are bad instead of awesome at point blank, players think blasters are like acs(while they actually did mimic lasers, utilizing ammo and web/sig dynamics to massively outdo them at limited range windows or optimal bonuses to mimic them at less range with better tracking), caldari receive damage bonuses instead making the optimal bonuses more useful and gallente hulls get buffed in fitting to a point where everything can be fitted without any effort. This is the result of years of bad design and band aids, because nobody addresses the core flaws of the weapon system and the idea behind the hulls.

- a blaster fitted gallente hull is terrible at point blank(full stop) it can not dictate range and utilize peak dps(because of the weaker web and scrams). A effective blaster ship, bigger than a frig needs a stronger web or being scram immune(mwd off effect, still pointed), making it able to dictate range at point blank even in X vs 1 engagements(since this is what you get in a blaster ship that comes with the "do or die" penalty if you engage at close range)
- a blaster fitted caldari hull is terrible, because the bonus doesn't scale well enough with the weapon to provide a more effective and different combat window than gallente and there is no real fitting concept, caldari hulls should be able to use the big blasters + tank with her lower effective turret count while forcing gallente to glass cannon + gank or smaller blasters + tank, by this you migrate the dps/optimal situation, however that only works with higher optimal bonuses on caldari hulls and the ability to do full dps with gallente hulls at point blank
- while the new mega is designed around a heavy tank and high rail dps, gallente hulls in general lack tracking with rails(rails got not enough tracking to be a good nano kite weapon, this is why medium rails suck, full stop)
- caldari hulls got not enough damage with rails outside of large rails(because they have 8 effective turrets here and can use high damage ammos at nearly every useful combat range). The problem of the ferox/moa is that they lack effective turrets to archive reasonable dps with rails. Eagle is just bad.

Hybrids are bad, because hybrid design is bad and it will only get better the day when people stop throwing bad ideas on it. Think about why gallente where useful at point blank, not because of a few more EHP and dps that they should not need to begin with, but because sig/web mechanics made them hit like a truck at this range, why a optimal bonus could be just as good but different compared to a damage bonus and why ccp put a falloff bonus on some gallente hulls(the reason for this was to not outdo caldari hulls for sniping, it is not good, it is terrible and doesn't suit a weapon that is used at point blank or long range, in both cases at optimal, not in falloff).

I think the numbers might need some looking at, but I really like the concept!

i like this idea

As much as I'd love the ability to have different damage types with Hybrid's, the entire point of why we don't is we have the highest damage weapons. Yes, Arty's are higher Alpha, Torps have farther Range and everyone else gets different ammo types but really who cares. Blasters simply melt face, have higher tracking to apply that dmg better, and our ammo tends to be of the cheapest, next to Proj rounds.

Personally I think there is too much of a selection of ammo for Hybrid. I'd be much better with lowest range - AM, (1-2) mid ranged - Thorium/Lead, and longest range - Iron. That'd streamline it a little and make it less confusing for newer players.

It died with the thread. No need to necro it. This is also not Features and Ideas Discussion. Go there and check the stickies. We may be getting a boost in a different way with changes to medium turrets.

[quote=DeLindsay]Honestly, I just wish spike was better. Friggin garbage. Javelin 75% optimal range reduction where the ship gives 50% optimal is, well, ridiculous.