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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:28:00 -
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First thing is the future drone nerf. This is cah-cah. Why put drones into the game if they hurt the database? I spent many many many weeks training to allow my Dominix to spew 15 heavy drones and for those 15 drones to do the maximum damage. I'm outraged at this coming change!!
Second is the same old issue with fighting wars in empire space. Some half-ashed n00b/alt corp war dec's you thinking they will get some easy hauler kills and gain some free components to liberate on the market, only to find out that the industrialized uber corp they war dec'd has uber skills and dozens of ships to throw into the war....So, what does the alt-warring corp do? Runs! And runs, and runs, and runs. They resend the war slot and they will not fight!! PLEASE CCP MAKE A WARP BUBBLE THAT TRAPS YOUR OPPONENTS AND ALLOW US TO LAUNCH IT IN EMPIRE SPACE.
Fighting a war with a chickenspit opponent [ZELOT] *cough* is a waste of CPU!!!!
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:33:00 -
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Everybody gets the nerfbat up their arses so once in a while, whats new ?
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lester Mako I spent many many many weeks training to allow my Dominix to spew 15 heavy drones and for those 15 drones to do the maximum damage. I'm outraged at this coming change!!
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Celt Corp - members of ISS |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:35:00 -
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I suffer along with everyone else at the 1400 nerf, the Torp nerf, etc etc. But to a Gallente pilot drones are equal to the capacitor capabilities on a Amarr ship. Drones are my edge.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:36:00 -
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When has CCP ever nerfed like they said? What about the Vexor? The Arbitrator? My drones skills cover more than just the Dominix!
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Fornost
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Quoted because this is the only bit that matters. 5 drones after "nerf" = 15 drones now. The only thing this is really going to do is help the database, and make it easier for you to keep track of the damn things.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:45:00 -
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and lets not forgot that they are getting increase hit-points, so they last roughtly the same time as 15 drones do now
Originally by: Chowdown We camp a lot
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lester Mako When has CCP ever nerfed like they said? What about the Vexor? The Arbitrator? My drones skills cover more than just the Dominix!
What about them?
In a non-dominix ship, Drone Interfacing V will now give you half as many drones, all twice as strong.
In a dominix, it'll give you a third as many drones, all three times as strong.
What exactly is your problem?
Celt Corp - members of ISS |
Claude Leon
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Lester Mako I spent many many many weeks training to allow my Dominix to spew 15 heavy drones and for those 15 drones to do the maximum damage. I'm outraged at this coming change!!
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Your missing the point here. It is all about the mental factor of seeing a fleet of drone carriers deploying 10-15 drones EACH. That will even make the most battled hardened PvPer think twice. Now with a max of 5. All the enemy fleet has to do is target the drones one by one and focus fire.
What is the point of having a Moros or let alone a carrier when you can only launch FIVE drones or ships? Show me any carrier that launches only FIVE of anything. |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:47:00 -
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You are forgetting about mining situations where you can have 5 out covering you and 5 out mining for you. IF you have the skills. This nerf will end this.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:52:00 -
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If you really want to save the database, end Bookmarks, and cut the number of weapons each ship can have down to 3 maximum, drop the damage from each weapon and make battles last a long time like in Star Trek, eliminate drones altogether, and missiles.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Kurren
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kurren on 01/11/2005 14:56:15
Originally by: Fornost
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Quoted because this is the only bit that matters. 5 drones after "nerf" = 15 drones now. The only thing this is really going to do is help the database, and make it easier for you to keep track of the damn things.
So many threads on this drone nerf... TBH, do you really think it'll help the lag issues? How many pilots fly around with their drones out all the time in Ours or Jita? You may be forced to in 0.0, but there are, despite what people say, fewer people in 0.0 space. Seems to me like their just taking a closed-eyes stab at what the solution might be.
I hope this does fix the problem, but it won't. I wish I knew what would, but I don't. But I could certainly throw out some ideas not involving nerfing(be it or be it not...) things before I went and made changes to the way people were fighting and surviving.
Edit: Because what if it doesn't fix the problem? Now you've ****ed off a lot of people and for nothing...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Claude Leon Your missing the point here. It is all about the mental factor of seeing a fleet of drone carriers deploying 10-15 drones EACH. That will even make the most battled hardened PvPer think twice....
...don't be ridiculous. I'm about the LEAST battle-hardened PvPer, and it wouldn't even scare me any more or less than the 5 new drones will. It comes to the same thing.
Celt Corp - members of ISS |
Tonkin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:58:00 -
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wot there doing is making a battleship into a giant cruiser, bring bck the power of the bs's, make bs's stronger so they last in battle with each other longer, cruisers are smaller than bs's why does it take me longer to kill a cruiser than a bs, my drones cut there life short, now there nerfing them, how about nerf everything and make a frig into a bs, shorten the load on the server wont it.
these nerfs are getting stupid when u train something for so long then they nerf it might as well not bother it takes the p*s*s.
i understand while hacs take ages to kill cos you trained for so long to expect it, but tech 1 cruisers they need to up the weapons and a bs i not mean one in particular, in whole, put torps bck up to a setting where u can hit a cruiser and kill it, ive bin watching temps and throns take cruisers with ease with a gank setup, me in my lowly raven takes a few rounds and time CCP SORT IT
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:59:00 -
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Makes a good point, with only 5 drones out, I would target the drones and kill them, or have my buddies target the drones. Then, no one would use drones.
Can we make missiles collide with objects in their path again too? Then no one would use missiles.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Darmed Khan
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Claude Leon Your missing the point here. It is all about the mental factor of seeing a fleet of drone carriers deploying 10-15 drones EACH. That will even make the most battled hardened PvPer think twice. Now with a max of 5. All the enemy fleet has to do is target the drones one by one and focus fire.
Yes, because indicating exactly which drone out of the swarm of 20+ you want your buddies to lock is so easy.
Surely a max of 5 drones per ship is better? Rather than thinking "Oh **** he's launched 15 heavy drones to **** my ass" and running off, your enemies might risk engaging you because they don't know how much damage your drones will do.
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:02:00 -
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But your drones would be useless. Why not make DECOYS instead?
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Kurren
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lester Mako But your drones would be useless. Why not make DECOYS instead?
Because then they'd be back at square one with all the clutter they're trying to sweep under the rug...
************************************************ I'm not a pirate, I'm a business-extremist... |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:07:00 -
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But the drones would no longer be a weapon if there is only 5. Drones would be targetted in the beginning of the battle and eliminated. Sounds like using DECOYS to me, because thats what they would be used for, decoys.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:14:00 -
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The problem is that the dominix/etc will have the same damage as before... when using thermal drones.
Restricting ships to one damage type is bad, mmkay? Same goes with the Cerberus, Caracal, Kestrel, etc. - Proud member of the [23].
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem is that the dominix/etc will have the same damage as before... when using thermal drones.
Restricting ships to one damage type is bad, mmkay? Same goes with the Cerberus, Caracal, Kestrel, etc.
Signed, all ships depending on drones should get a dmg boost to all drone dmg types to make it fair. Thermal drones against angel pirates? pff, forget it.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lester Mako You are forgetting about mining situations where you can have 5 out covering you and 5 out mining for you. IF you have the skills. This nerf will end this.
If you are mining alone, without any escourt, in unsecure space, you are asking for trouble. Im no miner and even I know this as a fact of EVE life. No sympathy for you.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenvahar on 01/11/2005 15:34:37
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem is that the dominix/etc will have the same damage as before... when using thermal drones.
Restricting ships to one damage type is bad, mmkay? Same goes with the Cerberus, Caracal, Kestrel, etc.
I do have concerns about the dmage type restriction, it seems to fly in the face of specialised racial drones.
But all you folks who complain about having fewer drones to work with, they are sposed to become MUCH more effective drones. They are harder to kill, and do alot more. in fact tux said increase drone hitpoints twice. Could have been a typo but come on people. If the changes are implemented as described; when all your allies concentrate on destroying drones, and it becomes clear that they no longer go pop in short order, combats will become much more interesting.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Chade Malloy Signed, all ships depending on drones should get a dmg boost to all drone dmg types to make it fair. Thermal drones against angel pirates? pff, forget it.
It's not impossible, just stupid and a waste of time. :)
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:44:00 -
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Yes, my ishtar is effectively loosing its damage type versatility, which is the whole reason I trained Gal Cruiser 5 rather than sticking with my Zealot.
I dont mind the 5 drones being as effective as 15 drones were thing, but its 5 THERMAL DRONES ONLY are as effective as 15 drones OF ANY TYPE. 5 Em/Kin/Exp drones will just suck royally, and as the only people that are going to bother training heavy drone ops 5 for t2 heavy drones are the Ishtar/Dominix/Moros pilots, they may as well remove the EM/Kin/Exp t2 large drones from the game entirely..... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) |
Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Lester Mako I spent many many many weeks training to allow my Dominix to spew 15 heavy drones and for those 15 drones to do the maximum damage. I'm outraged at this coming change!!
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Not entirely accurate.
The proposed "fix" is to give gallente thermal drone bonus's to make up the difference. So the domi goes from 15 drones of any damage type allowing them to pick there targets weak resists to 5 drones doing the same damage to one of the most hardened damage types in game = overall dps nurf.
At the same time many every other battle ship but the typhoon ( gallente ally ), megathron ( gallente ship ) and apoc get a buff to there drone dps since they could only control 6 heavys before.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:19:00 -
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5 Drones that equal 15 drones = Kill 1 really matter to the other 4. Think...
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:22:00 -
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Good news.
Tuxford just said he's going to make the bonus for all damage, not just thermal. We're saved .
BTW, the idea is that with drone interfacing 5, 5 drones will do the damage of 10. Then, with the dominix's bonus, you'll get the equivalent of one extra drone per level in terms of damage. - Proud member of the [23].
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Lester Mako I spent many many many weeks training to allow my Dominix to spew 15 heavy drones and for those 15 drones to do the maximum damage. I'm outraged at this coming change!!
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Yup. But it's a question of relative ship strengths.
A Geddon will now be able to field as many drones as the Dom (5), *and* do it without losing firepower. A Dom that uses a non-damage drone is going to take a huge hit in firepower, since drones are primary weapons and each one counts for a bit slice of your dps.
The Dom stays as it is and all other battleships get boosted quite a bit in what they can do with no sacrifice to their firepower or tank. So in effect it's a Dominix nerf.
The nastiest thing about it is that due to the above, the drone carrier ships (Dom etc) will actually be the *least* able to freely use the new drone types. Something's not right here.
Of course, they could un-nerf the Dominix grid and let it fit proper weapons as primary. But then it wouldn't be a drone ship anymore, it would be yet another turret ship with slightly better drone capabilities. I'm not sure CCP wants that, wants to remove one ship role/type from the game.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 01/11/2005 16:29:42
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Lester Mako I spent many many many weeks training to allow my Dominix to spew 15 heavy drones and for those 15 drones to do the maximum damage. I'm outraged at this coming change!!
What change? 5 drones in a fully-trained domi after the patch, will do the same amount of damage as 15 drones do before it.
Yup. But it's a question of relative ship strengths.
A Geddon will now be able to field as many drones as the Dom (5), *and* do it without losing firepower. A Dom that uses a non-damage drone is going to take a huge hit in firepower, since drones are primary weapons and each one counts for a big slice of your dps.
The Dom stays as it is and all other battleships get boosted quite a bit in what they can do with no sacrifice to their firepower or tank. So in effect it's a Dominix nerf.
The nastiest thing about it is that due to the above, the drone carrier ships (Dom etc) will actually be the *least* able to freely use the new drone types. Something's not right here.
Of course, they could un-nerf the Dominix grid and let it fit proper weapons as primary. But then it wouldn't be a drone ship anymore, it would be yet another turret ship with slightly better drone capabilities. I'm not sure CCP wants that, wants to remove one ship role/type from the game.
This IMO is the second big problem with the drone nerf (the thermal damage being the first, now fixed). On say a geddon, sacrificing one drone won't do much, and will allow you great EW advantages or the like. On say a dominix, you'll sacrifice the same single drone, but now lose a massive amount of damage, as drones are a Dominix's primary weapon. - Proud member of the [23].
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