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Gempei
CHAOS SQUAD Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:05:00 -
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Compensation? Yes please - 48 or 72 hour skill queve :) |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:07:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack.
Respect.
It appears you missed this part from the full message on the log in news feed:
We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon.
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank all of our players on EVE Online and DUST 514 for their patience and understanding during this unexpected downtime and the investigation. We are grateful for your support, as always.
Regards, J+¦n H+¦r+¦dal J+¦nasson, Chief Operating Officer CCP
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
193
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:10:00 -
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Jacob Muvila wrote:Iosue wrote:i'm not a fan of CCP giving out SP for something like the servers being down while under attack. CCP took the correct action and we should all benefit from their time and effort in this regard. expecting additional compensation because they did the right thing is absurd and unwarranted. granted, i'd feel a bit different if they were compromised and my personal information was leaked, but that didn't happen. i would rather not be able to play eve for a day than have my personal details compromised because they were rushing to get the servers back online.
Guys kissing CCP's ass on the forums will not get you a damn thing. This entire thread is a kiss ass thread. It will not get you in any good standings with devs GMs CCP noone. They do not know who I am they do not know who you are they do not care who we are. They care about money and profits. Ass kissing will get you zero nada nothing at all people. They are not going to read your post and be like oh look at this ass kisser maybe I should give them a prize. http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/03/eve-online-returns-after-ddos-attack-forced-server-offline/Says that "During that down time, CCP discovered a vulnerability that it patched." So yea we need to be comped
nice, reasoned with all the deftness and tact of a 12-year-old. |
Torrentula Chromus
Tax Evasion 4 me
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:17:00 -
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Free sp isn't compansation. We lost play time, isk, and sp depending on each persons circumstance. Adding 1 day of game time is what we need. It wasn't cpps fault but it is their responsibility. We paid for a service that wasn't available. This isn't an act of god. I don't get a refund if I'm unable to play because something happened out of my control nor should cpp.More game time please. |
Marzsy vox
Requiem Liberators Moral Contradiction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:21:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
You're very dumb and should stop talking. Seriously. Stop. First understand what a DDoS is and then understand what it takes to pull one off. Compensation IS needed. Their fault or not. The service I pay for, was interrupted and I want compensation. |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:22:00 -
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Torrentula Chromus wrote:Free sp isn't compansation. We lost play time, isk, and sp depending on each persons circumstance. Adding 1 day of game time is what we need. It wasn't cpps fault but it is their responsibility. We paid for a service that wasn't available. This isn't an act of god. I don't get a refund if I'm unable to play because something happened out of my control nor should cpp.More game time please.
Respect.
You have an excellent point. Having said that, it is pretty clear from the moment that they implemented the SP bonus system that they would compensate via SP bonuses vs actual gametime but one can still dream. :) |
Grantness
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:22:00 -
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Give everybody a shirt that says "Somebody DDOS Tranquility and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt."
No game time. No sp. |
Joxxy
Vrane Club
13
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:22:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
Well done char - I like it |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:28:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
You got this right, I read a forum post of how these players set an elaborate trap using a game mechanic flaw and spent hours setting it up, if you have obsessed crazies willing to spend that much effort for a KM then I wouldn't put it past an eve player. |
Yigal Tzadok
Space Whores And Pimps Whores in space
20
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:31:00 -
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1 M I L L I O N... |
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baltec1
Bat Country
6782
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:40:00 -
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Marzsy vox wrote:
You're very dumb and should stop talking. Seriously. Stop. First understand what a DDoS is and then understand what it takes to pull one off. Compensation IS needed. Their fault or not. The service I pay for, was interrupted and I want compensation.
This post is an example of why we should not get anything. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
610
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:45:00 -
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One of the features of the game, touted repeatedly, is the ability to train 24/7 without being online. Did a player stop their skill queue Sunday or did CCP, following their protocol, bring the servers down? Our EULA does not cover CCP's internal procedures which caused CCP to bring the servers down.
Given CCP made a decision to temporarily remove a feature of the game the onus is on them to make amends for any issues this may cause.
To people thanking CCP for doing their job and protecting our information, get bent. And after you get bent go out and thank your mailman, garbage collector, go to your utility provider, internet provider, etc. and thank them all for doing their jobs. As a matter of fact thank everyone who ever does anything that classifies as doing their job for the rest of your life. And then still get bent.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Duke Pathe
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:46:00 -
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Puahahahaha!!! Like anyone cares what they do...lol 1 day offline and world colapses... Skills take weeks to train, my bad i had just one finished so my que was empty but weeeee do i cry for some peeweepee offline time game skill ****??! Most off you crying muppets here are deluded tbh i feel pity for you. Give me sp, ship,pos,fuel, whatever or just ignore this incident, noone cares tbh, apart for 10 of forum trols with high selfesteem and premium quality spare time. keke
Previus week when i was returning from work there was an accident on higway, i bloody waited 4 hours in a car on same spot! WTF?! I should be compensated...
Pahahaha you ppl are awesome...keep it up. Noone can take your playtime away from you NOONE, not even electricity or bad IP! Keep fighting for the rest of the world, keep IT UP!
(this will be interesting...) |
baltec1
Bat Country
6782
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:48:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:One of the features of the game, touted repeatedly, is the ability to train 24/7 without being online. Did a player stop their skill queue Sunday or did CCP, following their protocol, bring the servers down? Our EULA does not cover CCP's internal procedures which caused CCP to bring the servers down.
Given CCP made a decision to temporarily remove a feature of the game the onus is on them to make amends for any issues this may cause.
To people thanking CCP for doing their job and protecting our information, get bent. And after you get bent go out and thank your mailman, garbage collector, go to your utility provider, internet provider, etc. and thank them all for doing their jobs. As a matter of fact thank everyone who ever does anything that classifies as doing their job for the rest of your life. And then still get bent.
A better example why we shouldn't get anything. |
Nilanea
Masamune Shirow Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:48:00 -
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Torrentula Chromus wrote:Free sp isn't compansation. We lost play time, isk, and sp depending on each persons circumstance. Adding 1 day of game time is what we need. It wasn't cpps fault but it is their responsibility. We paid for a service that wasn't available. This isn't an act of god. I don't get a refund if I'm unable to play because something happened out of my control nor should cpp.More game time please.
I also agree. CCP did take down the server themselves (to protect any intrusions into their data base). I would like to have 1 day of game time added on. This sounds more reasonable than sp or anything else.
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Marzsy vox
Requiem Liberators Moral Contradiction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nexus Day wrote:One of the features of the game, touted repeatedly, is the ability to train 24/7 without being online. Did a player stop their skill queue Sunday or did CCP, following their protocol, bring the servers down? Our EULA does not cover CCP's internal procedures which caused CCP to bring the servers down.
Given CCP made a decision to temporarily remove a feature of the game the onus is on them to make amends for any issues this may cause.
To people thanking CCP for doing their job and protecting our information, get bent. And after you get bent go out and thank your mailman, garbage collector, go to your utility provider, internet provider, etc. and thank them all for doing their jobs. As a matter of fact thank everyone who ever does anything that classifies as doing their job for the rest of your life. And then still get bent.
A better example why we shouldn't get anything.
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6782
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:56:00 -
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Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked... |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
325
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:01:00 -
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Zenith Huunuras wrote: Oh and this "suck it up" attitude is fine in game. It's one of the things that's attractive to eve. But when it comes to the real world things don't(or shouldn't) work this way
Perhaps they shouldn't, but IMO RL stuff does work like that and much more so - RL is by far harsher than anything in EVE. Agree to disagree maybe...
Oh, and suck it up
ps - ProSyn rocks! See ya out there.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
James Kilmer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:01:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
DDoSing some random 17 year old kid streaming LoL isn't the same as doing it to a company... Either way is jail time, but the latter is more inclined to press for that, sue and likely leave them imprisoned and bankrupt. Yeah, totally worth the 50k skill points... |
Marzsy vox
Requiem Liberators Moral Contradiction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked...
Yes. CCP being attacked is NOT my problem. I pay for service THEY provide. They failed to provide it and rightly so I am being compensated for it. That is how a good business operates. |
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
610
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked... No one is asking for free stuff because CCP was attacked. As a matter of fact if an outside entity took down CCP's servers there wouldn't be a leg to stand on.
But CCP chose to take the servers down.
Notice I didn't state what sort of compensation was due, just that the onus is on CCP to decide. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
66
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:29:00 -
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Marzsy vox wrote:baltec1 wrote:Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked... Yes. CCP being attacked is NOT my problem. I pay for service THEY provide. They failed to provide it and rightly so I am being compensated for it. That is how a good business operates.
it my not be your problem but it is not there problem either. if someone hits a pole and knocks out your electric or a storm comes and you lose internet. the companies do not have to compensate you for stuff like that.
and again you are paying for the right to play there game which they ultimately own and you have no legal rights too. so best case scenario you can petition eve for a 50cent refund or cancel your sub.
and ccp being a good business will probably do something awesome. but no one has the right to demand anything from ccp. so people need to chill and take what they get and when its not 100k+ sp instead of whining about it just send me your stuff and i will give it to people who are actually loyal to ccp. not leeches who believe that there 15 bux entitles them to everything.
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Robert Saint
Playright
48
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:30:00 -
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I changed my mind............ I don't want SP, i just want to be popular again, like I was in High School... |
Zenith Huunuras
Pro Synergy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:35:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Zenith Huunuras wrote: Oh and this "suck it up" attitude is fine in game. It's one of the things that's attractive to eve. But when it comes to the real world things don't(or shouldn't) work this way
Perhaps they shouldn't, but IMO RL stuff does work like that and much more so - RL is by far harsher than anything in EVE. Agree to disagree maybe... Oh, and suck it up ps - ProSyn rocks! See ya out there.
Obviously RL is far harsher, but i wasn't talking about RL in general, but rather how one acts as a customer. If you pay for a defective phone or a bad plumber, you don't just suck it up. Sure, sometimes you don't have a choice and you end up taking the loss, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't defend your interests.
Anyway, as i said, it's not the end of the world, and there are far worse things than a day of downtime that can happen to EVE.
And yeah, ProSyn is awesome. Suck it up safe |
Arronicus
Chromeria WHY so Seri0Us
655
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:44:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
No, you haven't, on EVE. EVE has been DDOS attacked once in the past what, 3 years, and most of the members of the group who did so, have been sentenced and are currently serving their sentences. Google 'lulzsec' for the full story.
No one has ever been stupid enough to bring down EVE for 50k sp. Don't be so stupid. |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
69
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:56:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less. No, you haven't, on EVE. EVE has been DDOS attacked once in the past what, 3 years, and most of the members of the group who did so, have been sentenced and are currently serving their sentences. Google 'lulzsec' for the full story. No one has ever been stupid enough to bring down EVE for 50k sp. Don't be so stupid.
yes but i have seen people in other games do stupid minor exploits over hours to benefit minutely from there efforts. if you have people in a game willing to micro manage market pvp for .01 isk gain. you sure as hell have people willing to ddos to be able to gain a minute benefit from it.
ps not a troll against market pvp. have at it its just not for me ;p |
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
69
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:06:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:If it were CCP's fault then yes I think a little 'sorry we screwed up - here's some SP as an apology' is a nice touch, but since it was out of their hands then the self entitled we deserve SP attitude stinks. How often does this happen, on a monthly basis, or even annually, how much downtime is extra compared to the 30 mins a day that they say they allow for, but quite often it's far less than that. If it's an average of 20 mins a day, that's 10 mins less than they allow for x 365 - 3,650 mins, or 60hr50min, or a shy over 2.5 days. Funny thing is you don't see people offering to give CCP extra money for the free time, or offer some sp's back do you? and Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. Yes I'm a 2006 player, so by far not the oldest, but if losing a day's training is that important to you in game, then spare a thought for the oldies who didn't have skill queue, the ones who at times had to either set alarms for stupid o'clock to change skill, or accept the fact that they wouldn't be training as there was nothing they could inject at the time. If losing a few hours training if your skill queue ran out is that important, then I'd run away from eve cos it gets a lot worse than a few hours of lost skill time
I know a guy who lost over a month (maybe two??) of training because he forgot to upgrade his clone when he got podded. And this is a player from 2003 with close to or over 200 million SP. **** happens and I cant wait til some of these newbs reach that point and lose 3 million SP in a pod death =P |
THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:20:00 -
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It isn't a matter of entitlement. It's a matter of some people missing out on training time, as well as game time, because of the actions of some random *******. Do you really think it's right to punish everyone because of what one person or group did? Meanwhile this person or group might not even play eve. I don't think CCP take 100% of the blame on this. However, if we want to be realistic about it, the attack was made possible by a vulnerability on their end. So while I understand the situation, and am well aware that this vulnerability is nearly impossible to prevent ever happening, and is bound to happen over the course of 10 years, I also feel the people who were negatively effected by this should be compensated. Not compensating them for it will just cause more animosity towards CCP, and to be honest they've been getting a lot of that lately. The majority of it is deserved. In this case they handled it very well, but there are other things, like the launcher, stupid minigames similar to what I would expect to see in a game like WoW or Hello Kitty Online, etc. These all build up and cause animosity. To allow some sperg lord's actions to **** the entire community over could potentially push things past the breaking point.
To make it clear, I personally don't give much of a **** either way. I'm not that worried about $0.50 of game time, and I was lucky enough to have skills in training that covered the entire time the servers were down. I would however love some free SP. At this point you're just wasting your breath for the sake of being a sperging white knight. CCP have already stated they are going to compensate in some way. They haven't specified how, so that could be in the form of game time, SP, or even gifts. To go back on that would be economic suicide for them.
So in summary, stop being a white knight. It's not cool and you're a scrub for doing it. Go watch ponies or something.
And if you think someone is going to spend hundreds of dollars, or risk years of prison time to save a few days training time in a game, you're a complete mongoloid. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
226
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:20:00 -
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I want to be compensated because i'm a special snowflake and the world owes me a living....... that attitude, mind set ...................................................... |
THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:27:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:I want to be compensated because i'm a special snowflake and the world owes me a living....... that attitude, mind set White Knight Extraordinaire. Also, wanting to be compensated for missing game time you paid for because of issues you had no control over isn't exactly an entitlement attitude. And how exactly does it even relate to a living? Clearly eve is a job. |
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