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Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:34:00 -
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CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
79
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:36:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
warp drive active |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
35
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:38:00 -
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why not. i have seen people do much more for much less. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
534
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:38:00 -
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People need to read the EULA. I have no problem with CCP doing what it has to do in order to protect my information. Sony needs to pay attention and stop trying to give away free games when some hackers steal my cc info. Thats BS.
Thanks CCP. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
312
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:38:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
you never know how angry those script kiddies from WOW can get after getting podded.. |
Ekhss Nihilo
Ideal Machine
11
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:38:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. Totally with the OP on this. The entitlement crowd needs to back off and enjoy the incredible universe that CCP has put in front of us. "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)
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Shukuzen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:42:00 -
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+1 No compensation. |
Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:42:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
Given some of the tinfoil-hattery that goes on in GD...this isn't that farfetched. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
Obunagawe
90
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:43:00 -
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ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
254
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:44:00 -
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If it were CCP's fault then yes I think a little 'sorry we screwed up - here's some SP as an apology' is a nice touch, but since it was out of their hands then the self entitled we deserve SP attitude stinks. How often does this happen, on a monthly basis, or even annually, how much downtime is extra compared to the 30 mins a day that they say they allow for, but quite often it's far less than that.
If it's an average of 20 mins a day, that's 10 mins less than they allow for x 365 - 3,650 mins, or 60hr50min, or a shy over 2.5 days.
Funny thing is you don't see people offering to give CCP extra money for the free time, or offer some sp's back do you? |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2580
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:46:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth.
That 1/365 th of the SP they'll get this year is really going to stunt their growth.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
295
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:47:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
If there are people who'd vote for this guy in any kind of election, i bet there are people who'd ddos a game for the 'benefits'.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
776
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:48:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
Those script idiots don't need other reasons to mess with other people than their huge pre puberty ego and the conscienceless of their actions or the consequences . Let them be, ignore idiots, let them return to their frustrated life and move somewhere else get some important internet existence. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
707
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:48:00 -
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
707
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:48:00 -
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Ekhss Nihilo wrote:The entitlement crowd needs to back off and enjoy the incredible universe that CCP has put in front of us. i couldn't enjoy this incredible universe for 1 day (from 18:00 of June 2nd to 19:00 of June 3rd). Because of downtime.
Am not speaking about any compensations. Just pointing flaw in your advice.
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Obunagawe
90
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:49:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
All I see are the vocal trolls, demanding that noone be compensated in order to cause tears. |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
36
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:49:00 -
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you should check my age i barely have 1.5m sp. i would love a infusion of free sp. but in this situation it is not warranted. and face it if there was any sp compensation it would be 24 hours worth. and that would be around 60k at max remap. that is really not that big of a deal.
there is too much self entitlement in this world. people really need to just suck it up and roll with the punches.
and yes this is my main so bring on the grief. i will throw rifters at your face all day. |
Xander Karsoth
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:50:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
You are all kinds of special. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1852
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:50:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. The tinfoil is strong with this one. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Karean Frintezaa
Kinky Wizards
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:57:00 -
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Compensating players who werent able to play on sunday is the best choice they make in my opinion.
Although it wasnt their fault that the servers crashed, it is their responsibility to keep them up. As a company it is also their responsability to asure majoraty of the clients are happy with the service.
Its not like they are sacrificing their liives for you, they do it because you are paying their rents,food etc... May sound a bit blunt but its reality.
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John Ratcliffe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
166
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:57:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
Shut up you tool.
If you don't want to use the free SP then don't - be the little b*tch martyr you are. Personally I'll be looking forward to recieving the 100,000+ SP I feel the outage warrants.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
John Ratcliffe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
166
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:59:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:you should check my age i barely have 1.5m sp. i would love a infusion of free sp. but in this situation it is not warranted. and face it if there was any sp compensation it would be 24 hours worth. and that would be around 60k at max remap. that is really not that big of a deal.
there is too much self entitlement in this world. people really need to just suck it up and roll with the punches.
and yes this is my main so bring on the grief. i will throw rifters at your face all day.
You are clearly an alt - no-one with 1.5m SP would post about the game the way you do.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
37
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:59:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. Shut up you tool. If you don't want to use the free SP then don't - be the little b*tch martyr you are. Personally I'll be looking forward to recieving the 100,000+ SP I feel the outage warrants.
very mature comment. but i guess its what i expect from someone who thinks canned pvp is real pvp.
PS i am an experienced eve player but i sold my main and started over to freshen up my experience. |
Ano Regni
Followers of Ender
11
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:02:00 -
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I don't blame CCP for taking down the servers as this attack was not their fault. I also think they did a very good job in handling it and the PA aspect as well (since all they had to communicate with was facebook and twitter).
With that said, I did lose skill time because my queue completed and I was not able to log in and kick off new skills (especially with crunch time before tomorrow's release). So I don't think by CCP giving out SP in compensation for downtime (even though it wasn't their fault) will in any way promote future network attacks or put the blame on them. These things happen, it is not their fault, it is not my fault, but it certainly wouldn't hurt for them to give me back the lost hours in good faith. The best thing about a boolean is even if you are wrong, you are only off by a bit. |
John Ratcliffe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
166
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:03:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote: very mature comment. but i guess its what i expect from someone who thinks canned pvp is real pvp.
PS i am an experienced eve player but i sold my main and started over to freshen up my experience.
What do you expect? How about you just STFU and let CCP decide whether to compensate people or not, instead of posting on here like a little tard? You bring it on yourself...
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
114
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:03:00 -
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I'd like to know if those who support not getting SP had anything training during the unscheduled down time. I for one was lucky that I had a long skill in my queue. However, had I waited to log in as originally planned to inject the skill I was going to train, I'd have lost around 14 hours of skill points at 2.5k sp/hour. I love to reload during a battle!-áThere's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile into a well greased chamber... |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
37
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:05:00 -
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i lost about 6 hours of training. which is a drop in the bucket in eve. and i am not worried about it. |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:06:00 -
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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:I'd like to know if those who support not getting SP had anything training during the unscheduled down time. I for one was lucky that I had a long skill in my queue. However, had I waited to log in as originally planned to inject the skill I was going to train, I'd have lost around 14 hours of skill points at 2.5k sp/hour.
Yeah they all did obviously, or they have a lot of SP and don't care about it anymore. They just was new player tears. |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
82
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:09:00 -
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CCP is responsible for server security, which in this instance wasn't secure. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1853
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:11:00 -
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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:I'd like to know if those who support not getting SP had anything training during the unscheduled down time. I for one was lucky that I had a long skill in my queue. However, had I waited to log in as originally planned to inject the skill I was going to train, I'd have lost around 14 hours of skill points at 2.5k sp/hour. On one account, I had a long-queue set up. On the other, I had abuot 20 hours free in my queue when I logged in to update my queue. which, of course, I couldn't, because some outside party had chosen that time to screw with the cluster. Combine that with real-life needs and schedules since just before TQ came back up, and I've *still* not had a chance to reset the queue. I've lost, I figure, about 93K SP. Probably a lot closer to 100K before I manage to get to a computer where I can log in.
No compensation.
It's not CCP's fault I was dealing with ncessary events & duties around my sister's death, that I didn't have time to log in and load a long-queue. Not CCP's fault that some jerk deceided to launch a DCA. Not CCP's fauit that I had real-life places to be when they brought the servers up. Not CCP's fault I won't be home for another few hours, either.
Not their fault; They owe me nothing that they haven't already delivered - in spades. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
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Hernan Johuihen
Zero Atmosphere Ex Cinere Scriptor
35
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:12:00 -
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can i haz your sp ? |
Jimmy Morane
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:13:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. Shut up you tool. If you don't want to use the free SP then don't - be the little b*tch martyr you are. Personally I'll be looking forward to recieving the 100,000+ SP I feel the outage warrants. very mature comment. but i guess its what i expect from someone who thinks canned pvp is real pvp. PS i am an experienced eve player but i sold my main and started over to freshen up my experience.
uh oh, Obunagaweh will be back to comment on how you as an experienced player are holding everyone like me down. |
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
114
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:13:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:i lost about 6 hours of training. which is a drop in the bucket in eve. and i am not worried about it.
That means you (and others) had the potential to lose more. What if I was going away for a few weeks and had set time out to put in a large skill. But when I got home I realised I couldn't log on? If that had happened I doubt you would be so lenient. I love to reload during a battle!-áThere's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile into a well greased chamber... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2581
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:13:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:CCP is responsible for server security, which in this instance wasn't secure.
And then they did their best to make it secure. Thus, they were showing responsibility.
So what's your point?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Zenith Huunuras
Pro Synergy
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:15:00 -
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I can't really stand this whole "it's not their fault" mentality. They're running a business, and they didn't take the needed precautions against a quite likely threat. It's not like a volcano blew up or something. That being said, i do know they did their best and worked their asses off last night, and as a human i appreciate it, however as a customer, i only see someone who did their job which they're paid for. Long story short, they failed to provide a service for which we're paying for.
And not only the service was offline for a day, but it came back online when some people in the EU timezone were already at work, so it may have taken even longer to fix their queues. You need to remember that for some people 64 sp is a big deal. I for one got less than 2m sp between two accounts, 64k sp is like 5% of the sp of my main pilot. Luckily the queues were full on both my chars, so no loss for me in that regard, but the point still stands, the training time loss IS a big deal for some people.
Now, i too agree that a SP reimbursement is not the answer, as this issue is more of a "out of game" issue, rather than an ingame one. The most logical approach would be to simply extend everyone's playtime by 1 day, and possibly even roll back the game to yesterday's dowtime. However this solution costs the company money, which is why they may prefer the sp option.
I'm new to Eve, but as someone who works in customer service, this whole "suck it up" mentality is not how you run a business.
P.S. i don't even know why i'm replying to a thread who's main argument was that the ddos was a conspiracy to gain some easy sp. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1853
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:16:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:CCP is responsible for server security, which in this instance wasn't secure. Let's see... Account information lost? No. Personal information compromised? No. Financial information stolen? No.
Seems to me that you don't understand what consitutes 'security.' Seems to me, CCP does. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Obunagawe
96
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:17:00 -
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If you really cared about CCP you wouldn't be trying to control them like this. And you wouldn't be cluttering their forums with a whiny thread like this. You'd let them do their thing. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1974
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:18:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
Someone DDoSed for something, maybe "nothing".
"Nothing" is less than 50k skill points lol.
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Robert Saint
Playright
48
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:19:00 -
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I completely disagree, seeing how the fault is with CCP and the Criminal (competitor) who did the DDOS attack.
CCP's fault
1) Make sure the software exploits are covered to protect your client database and their personal information. This usually means you hire an outside firm to attempt to hack your systems to find exploits. I was on the Sony network when the accounts were hacked and it was absolutely Sony's fault. To close your eyes to crime is not responsible to your client base.
2) We are told constantly by CCP when petitioning for a ship reimbursement that there was NO fault on the server log files, so sorry you don't get your ship back!!! Even though, we know (at least some of the time) it was the fault of the client crashing, etc... So, yes CCP needs to compensate the 500,000 subscribers that are trusting them with their CC numbers and other personal data..... and luckily most mindless gamers such as myself are happy with just some extra SP points.
Criminal's fault 1) What's there to say about crime, this game encourages it. They could be competitors merc.......
Don't punish the player base for the fault of the criminal and be responsible for your own house....
Enough said. |
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
114
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:20:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Steve Spooner wrote:CCP is responsible for server security, which in this instance wasn't secure. Let's see... Account information lost? No. Personal information compromised? No. Financial information stolen? No. Seems to me that you don't understand what consitutes 'security.' Seems to me, CCP does.
Would it still not be CCP's fault if the above occurred? Will you still not feel entitled to some compensation if the information you listed was attained by a third party?
You may not, if that's the case you are a better person than I. Though I won't believe you. I love to reload during a battle!-áThere's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile into a well greased chamber... |
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Gotch Urarse
114
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:20:00 -
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Is the potential of 50-100k SP, or similar, really worth the forums tears? Stuff happens. The only reason I'm posting is I'm at work. If I wasn't I'd be enjoying New Eden. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1854
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:20:00 -
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Zenith Huunuras wrote:I can't really stand this whole "it's not their fault" mentality. They're running a business, and they didn't take the needed precautions against a quite likely threat. It's not like a volcano blew up or something. Actually, it's quite a LOT like a volcano blew up. NO ONE can prevent an external attack. Not mega-coprorations. Not militaries. Not governments. Not even God. They can only control how they respond to an external attack. Which, in this case is: Effectively.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
39
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:21:00 -
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at max according to the eula the only compensation that is available is a refund of your sub fee for the affected time. so lets say that was 24 hours. so that's what 50 cents. you are more then welcome to petition to get that back. but cpp did everything that is required of them and more. jut be glad someone out there does not have your account or CC information. and do people realize how ddos work. if a server accepts connections you cannot defend against them. and ddos are meant to break small holes in security for hackers to enter. |
Karean Frintezaa
Kinky Wizards
3
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:22:00 -
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And it is awsome they compensate the victims "us" for this attack.
Dont see the reason why not to... |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
190
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:24:00 -
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i'm not a fan of CCP giving out SP for something like the servers being down while under attack. CCP took the correct action and we should all benefit from their time and effort in this regard. expecting additional compensation because they did the right thing is absurd and unwarranted. granted, i'd feel a bit different if they were compromised and my personal information was leaked, but that didn't happen. i would rather not be able to play eve for a day than have my personal details compromised because they were rushing to get the servers back online.
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Mara Villoso
Big Box
91
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:25:00 -
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It doesn't matter whose fault it is or why they did what they did. I subscribe, my subscription was interrupted, and I was kept from playing the game for an extended period of time. I don't care about skill points, but I definitely care about subscription time. Add into it that I was supposed to reup my monthly using PLEX yesterday, but I couldn't because the game was down, which means I paid real money for my next month of play time as a direct result of this event.
As a side note, somewhere in the dev text it mentions specifically the attack "took advantage of an exploit" to conduct the attack. That sounds a LOT like someone left a hole somewhere that was exploited. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1854
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:26:00 -
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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:silens vesica wrote:Steve Spooner wrote:CCP is responsible for server security, which in this instance wasn't secure. Let's see... Account information lost? No. Personal information compromised? No. Financial information stolen? No. Seems to me that you don't understand what consitutes 'security.' Seems to me, CCP does. Would it still not be CCP's fault if the above occurred? Will you still not feel entitled to some compensation if the information you listed was attained by a third party? You may not, if that's the case you are a better person than I. Though I won't believe you. IF security were actually breached, then yes, I would want some form of recompense - they'd have failed at upholding their end of the bargain. But not for the SP that was lost to the attack - that would've been lost in any case. I'd want recompense for the failure to uphold security.
But... Since CCP *did* uphold security, I've got no beef with them. Now, show me the tool-heads that launched the attach, and I'll have something different to say - to them. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Cellita Nardieu
Dark Void Holdings
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:28:00 -
[48] - Quote
"What do you expect? How about you just STFU and let CCP decide whether to compensate people or not, instead of posting on here like a little tard? You bring it on yourself..."
In the same time Eve is only a game, loosing a day of skill won't kill you ... |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:30:00 -
[49] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Zenith Huunuras wrote:I can't really stand this whole "it's not their fault" mentality. They're running a business, and they didn't take the needed precautions against a quite likely threat. It's not like a volcano blew up or something. Actually, it's quite a LOT like a volcano blew up. NO ONE can prevent an external attack. Not mega-coprorations. Not militaries. Not governments. Not even God. They can only control how they respond to an external attack. Which, in this case is: Effectively.
You can do things to mitigate the risk / damage of of a DDOS. There are services which exist for this exact purpose. Taking all the servers down and running a full diagnosis may have been "effective" but it wasn't efficient or really necessary. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
350
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
at least we are not negative SP like the dust bunnies, lol. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
40
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:31:00 -
[51] - Quote
people should really read the eula. |
Karean Frintezaa
Kinky Wizards
4
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:33:00 -
[52] - Quote
But its like their job to resolve issues like so, i wouldnt expect less...
What makes it so good? Even tho i lost my day of to play EVE. Again i know its not their fault, but its a company, certain etics must be present to satisfy client needs.
Tell me what was so great? The 24h i had to wait?
Kind of hard to steal account info through Denial of service...
DOS is like having 1000s people outside your door and they wont let anyone in.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
421
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:It doesn't matter whose fault it is or why they did what they did. I subscribe, my subscription was interrupted, and I was kept from playing the game for an extended period of time. I don't care about skill points, but I definitely care about subscription time. Add into it that I was supposed to reup my monthly using PLEX yesterday, but I couldn't because the game was down, which means I paid real money for my next month of play time as a direct result of this event.
As a side note, somewhere in the dev text it mentions specifically the attack "took advantage of an exploit" to conduct the attack. That sounds a LOT like someone left a hole somewhere that was exploited.
There are also no warranties provided with your subscription. Though luck, suck it up buttercup. |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:people should really read the eula.
Here is your sticker no need to suck up to CCP anymore. |
Enmesharra
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
i have to agree with OP. I really want that sweet sweet free SP, but in this case I doubt its warranted. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
416
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:34:00 -
[56] - Quote
Technically, you lose out more than just SP. I was going to log in yesterday and earn some isk. Maybe 100 million or so as my usually daily income, but alas the servers were down.
That's like maybe a $3 dollars worth of real money towards a plex. So that's what i costed me yesterday. I'm sure there are people who earn a lot more.
I'm not particularly mad though as I didn't really want to play yesterday. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1855
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:40:00 -
[57] - Quote
Robert Saint wrote: CCP's fault
1) Make sure the software exploits are covered to protect your client database and their personal information. This usually means you hire an outside firm to attempt to hack your systems to find exploits. I was on the Sony network when the accounts were hacked and it was absolutely Sony's fault. To close your eyes to crime is not responsible to your client base.
Bull Faeces. Complete and unmitigated Bull Faeces. No one. NO ONE. Can stop an external attack from happening. Not church, not state, not mega-corp, not even Apple or Microsoft. If your network accepts any form of external connection, it can be attacked. Period. End of subject.
What a corporation can control is whether or not the attack can succeed. This attack failed. Sure they knocked CCP off the line for a chunk of time - But that's how DCA (DDoS) work - And no one has ever found a way to shut down a DCA short of law-enforcement action. What the real threat and attack was, was against the backend services, which CCP successfully protected.
Sony let the attackers in. CCP did not. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Julius Rigel
100
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:44:00 -
[58] - Quote
Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. If I could give my unspent SP to a new player I would gladly do that.
Obunagawe wrote:If you really cared about CCP you wouldn't be trying to control them Can I elect you to the CSM? It would put us a step closer to getting rid of that circus. Do YOU like to undock? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1855
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:45:00 -
[59] - Quote
floating in space wrote:silens vesica wrote:Zenith Huunuras wrote:I can't really stand this whole "it's not their fault" mentality. They're running a business, and they didn't take the needed precautions against a quite likely threat. It's not like a volcano blew up or something. Actually, it's quite a LOT like a volcano blew up. NO ONE can prevent an external attack. Not mega-coprorations. Not militaries. Not governments. Not even God. They can only control how they respond to an external attack. Which, in this case is: Effectively. You can do things to mitigate the risk / damage of of a DDOS. There are services which exist for this exact purpose. Taking all the servers down and running a full diagnosis may have been "effective" but it wasn't efficient or really necessary. This is a tactical question. While yes, there are some things that can be done, they're not always practical, or even reasonable. It's all part of the cost / risk / benefit calulation. We may quibble with the final tactics CCP has chosen, but the bottom line is that they protected what needed to be protected, and in a fashion that many larger and more well-funded corporations have failed.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1855
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:50:00 -
[60] - Quote
Anyway, this one looks like it's about to spiral out of control. People can agree with me, or they may choose to remain wrong - either way, I'm done here.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4206
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:51:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP is in no way obligated to compensate you for an unexpected down time for any reason, however they may choose to do so at their discretion (and have done so in the past).
You are entitled to exactly nothing.
You might receive compensation despite that, but it won't be because you demand it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
EULA shmoola.. its a customer service issue. Customers aren't happy it doesn't matter what your EULA says regarding your (the company's) responsibility.
I for one was out an entire day of play time on my 3 accounts. I pay actual money for those 3 accounts because grinding isk is.. well a grind. So regardless of what the EULA says (and OMG you people actually read that thing?), I'm out that money. So I'd be happy for CCP to pump up my accounts by a day or two (just to be nice guys) of playtime. 50k skillpoints would be fine too, based on the most recent compensation offered for the Launcherpocolypse. I'd much rather get the day of playtime back since that was Sunday and now I'm back at work. But it was their servers I paid to access, I could not access, and therefore think compensation should be had. |
Cellita Nardieu
Dark Void Holdings
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:people should really read the eula. You are right but I would say : people should really know what is technically a DoS attack before giving advices ...
It's not a missed (obviously) untested update, it's a real attack that had purpose to stop the service. There is no way to prevent fully this kind of attack. Being able to kill a server that is able to handle 40K (or more) simultaneous users is quite strong. A server able to handle that kind of massive connexions is VERY expensive (you can compare its cost with the cost of a very big house in a very good place).
Unless players want to play for 100$ per months per account, there is no way to prevent that, unless creating a dozen of universes, that would kill the game because of the lack of users.
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Jacob Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
No they need to give us our missed SP and on top of that 2 days added to our game time. For those of us that run multiple accounts (i only run 3) but I am talking about the 10-20 + account holders 2 days across 10-20 accounts those guys missed out on damn near a months worth of productivity.
What happens if we get our accounts hacked? CCP doesn't reimburse us cus it's our job for proper security right? Well if there was a DDOS attack (I don't think there was) its CCP's fault for not taking proper security measures. We need to be and should be comped for this.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
416
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Robert Saint wrote: CCP's fault
1) Make sure the software exploits are covered to protect your client database and their personal information. This usually means you hire an outside firm to attempt to hack your systems to find exploits. I was on the Sony network when the accounts were hacked and it was absolutely Sony's fault. To close your eyes to crime is not responsible to your client base.
Bull Faeces. Complete and unmitigated Bull Faeces. No one. NO ONE. Can stop an external attack from happening. Not church, not state, not mega-corp, not even Apple or Microsoft. If your network accepts any form of external connection, it can be attacked. Period. End of subject. What a corporation can control is whether or not the attack can succeed. This attack failed. Sure they knocked CCP off the line for a chunk of time - But that's how DCA (DDoS) work - And no one has ever found a way to shut down a DCA short of law-enforcement action. What the real threat and attack was, was against the backend services, which CCP successfully protected. Sony let the attackers in. CCP did not.
Networks can always be made more resilient. I'm not saying CCP did a horrible job, but you can fight DDOS attacks with precautions and redundancy.
Think of it this way. You could blame the Germans for gasing Allied troops in WWI, but it would be pretty much the fault of the Allied forces if they didn't start using gas masks.
Arguably its probably too expensive for CCP to make their systems completely redundant and have enough bandwidth to defeat a DDOS attack. The best solution is just to mitigate it and hand out compensation for the time lost on the consumers.
I mean their choice is too spend a buttload more on infrastructure or hand out compensation.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
398
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:59:00 -
[66] - Quote
I don't think free SP are appropriate for events out of CCP's control, But I do think to quell the deafening noise from the cheap seats something tangible and expendable would be fun, IE a new 6 pack of Quafe Zero, or perhaps some creative Synth booster with unknown properties, could be DPS bonus could be a pink ship for 24 hours, kind of a Alice in the rabbit hole thing.
But no to SP, I am sure CCP has the ability to see the guys who's training expired during the unexpected DT and to accredit them accordingly. You my friend,-ádefy the whole theory of Natural Selection. |
Lita Alexandria
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:00:00 -
[67] - Quote
I'm not worried about encouraging the hacker by compensating us. The hacker is going to be compensated with 6x9 cell and a new friend that is looking to open him up to new experiences. |
Prince Sanguine
Hull Breach Inc. Double Tap.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:00:00 -
[68] - Quote
This is why we can't have nice things! *hands everyone alcohol and hookers* |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
234
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:02:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:It doesn't matter whose fault it is or why they did what they did. I subscribe, my subscription was interrupted, and I was kept from playing the game for an extended period of time. I don't care about skill points, but I definitely care about subscription time. Add into it that I was supposed to reup my monthly using PLEX yesterday, but I couldn't because the game was down, which means I paid real money for my next month of play time as a direct result of this event.
As a side note, somewhere in the dev text it mentions specifically the attack "took advantage of an exploit" to conduct the attack. That sounds a LOT like someone left a hole somewhere that was exploited.
You do realize that there is an option in your account management to re-activate your account for a short time in order for you to use a PLEX and thus make it fully active again, right?
Also: If you are an insider or if you just spend a lot of time, any complex system accepting outside calls is attackable. There is never 100% security in a system open to the world.
I don't care if they give us skill points. In the spirit of CCP they should probably create an 20-hours hourglass item reward or something equally useless.
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Cellita Nardieu
Dark Void Holdings
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:04:00 -
[70] - Quote
Jacob Muvila wrote: What happens if we get our accounts hacked? CCP doesn't reimburse us cus it's our job for proper security right? Well if there was a DDOS attack (I don't think there was) its CCP's fault for not taking proper security measures. We need to be and should be comped for this.
DoS attack is no risk about account informations. It's just like there is 100 000 cars with 10 000 per seconds more wanting to take the same street in the same time, when you arrive in the middle of that you can't pass. You can put a large highway, it won't still pass, even a landing way in JFK airport ... But in no case there is safety breach for the reason that nobody can access to the machine (the perfect firewall in a way).
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Jacob Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:04:00 -
[71] - Quote
Iosue wrote:i'm not a fan of CCP giving out SP for something like the servers being down while under attack. CCP took the correct action and we should all benefit from their time and effort in this regard. expecting additional compensation because they did the right thing is absurd and unwarranted. granted, i'd feel a bit different if they were compromised and my personal information was leaked, but that didn't happen. i would rather not be able to play eve for a day than have my personal details compromised because they were rushing to get the servers back online.
Guys kissing CCP's ass on the forums will not get you a damn thing. This entire thread is a kiss ass thread. It will not get you in any good standings with devs GMs CCP noone. They do not know who I am they do not know who you are they do not care who we are. They care about money and profits. Ass kissing will get you zero nada nothing at all people.
They are not going to read your post and be like oh look at this ass kisser maybe I should give them a prize. http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/03/eve-online-returns-after-ddos-attack-forced-server-offline/ Says that "During that down time, CCP discovered a vulnerability that it patched." So yea we need to be comped
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2586
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
I must say that the dichotomy of the 'SP is not important' to the 'SP is everything' crowds is quite amusing. Even more so that I see the same characters playing both sides depending on the thread.
Do people really think that the loss of a few SPs is going to affect their ability to play the game?
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Miss MaxxJaxX
Royal Dutch Secret Service
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:08:00 -
[73] - Quote
Set looooong skill suckerssss!!! This month was gameserverattackmonth again when you read a bit of news here and there.
Buckle up Dorothy!
I'm fully behind CCP on this, whatever happens. Someone is trying to steal from you or destroy our game for whatever reason. The standard insta-hate won't cut it this time, only to stand as one. Nothing is lost on my side, only a little bit of gametime I guess.
CCP handled correctly according to such a situation as this. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
234
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:14:00 -
[74] - Quote
Quote:Guys kissing CCP's ass on the forums will not get you a damn thing. This entire thread is a kiss ass thread. It will not get you in any good standings with devs GMs CCP noone. They do not know who I am they do not know who you are they do not care who we are. They care about money and profits. Ass kissing will get you zero nada nothing at all people.
They already said they will come up with some form of compensation. So there is no need for kissing of any kind.
But while I think one can take it too far indeed, I think at least showing some appreciation towards CCP and the people working for CCP will help keep up the relationship between CCP and its players. Which - except for Monoclegate - has been quite good and special through the years. I could give you many examples of this. Of course they want to make revenue. They are a company, not a charity. But a company that mostly does care about its customers. And often beyond and above of what they would need to provide.
Actually yesterday I was happy to listen to EVE Radio, listen to the hilarious conspiracy theories and all the jokes that were made. It showed me that I belong to a gaming community that is both nasty ingame and - mostly - cool & adult otherwise.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4206
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:14:00 -
[75] - Quote
Jacob Muvila wrote:Iosue wrote:i'm not a fan of CCP giving out SP for something like the servers being down while under attack. CCP took the correct action and we should all benefit from their time and effort in this regard. expecting additional compensation because they did the right thing is absurd and unwarranted. granted, i'd feel a bit different if they were compromised and my personal information was leaked, but that didn't happen. i would rather not be able to play eve for a day than have my personal details compromised because they were rushing to get the servers back online.
Guys kissing CCP's ass on the forums will not get you a damn thing. This entire thread is a kiss ass thread. It will not get you in any good standings with devs GMs CCP noone. They do not know who I am they do not know who you are they do not care who we are. They care about money and profits. Ass kissing will get you zero nada nothing at all people. They are not going to read your post and be like oh look at this ass kisser maybe I should give them a prize. http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/03/eve-online-returns-after-ddos-attack-forced-server-offline/Says that "During that down time, CCP discovered a vulnerability that it patched." So yea we need to be comped Every system has vunerabilities that can be exploited, no matter how good your programmers are. All you can do is try to catch as many as possible before they are exploited, or fix them as quickly as possible afterwards.
The only pertinent parts of the article are these:
Quote:GÇ£We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both Eve and Dust for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon.GÇ¥
That's all that really needs to be said. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ardetia
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
Whatever you do, don't compensate CCP. Don't listen to these whiners that have absolutely no clue what they are on about. Not to mention the side-effects of doing so, which obviously create a situation where someone will DDOS whenever they want some free SP.
Also, for those of you who don't understand why, either educate yourselves or shut up.
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K'rul Demelain
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:15:00 -
[77] - Quote
Doesn't matter what the EULA says in this situation. Whatever CCP decides to do in regards to compensation will be geared towards one thing only: customer service. IF they do nothing the old bitter vets will say "that's standard CCP, nothing to see here move on". However, the newbro who just subscribed or is in a trial will look at this event and think "wow this company doesn't care about my time or is unstable, why the hell should I give them my $$". Dust players likewise will look at this and think "why should I put any money in this incredibly unstable FPS if they can't even keep the servers up".
This is a customer service/marketing opportunity. They will do something to compensate to cover those later 2 factors because there is too big a risk of a bitter taste in the mouth of newbros and dusties. You don't need newbros or dusties quitting with the only thought "CCP can't keep the servers up and didn't care at all about the lost time". They don't need those people telling their friends not to play/try, by compensating for the lost time they instead create happy customers. Instead of a bitter newbro or dusty walking around trashing CCP/Servers they've created a free viral marketing point on how CCP is a company that cares about players and will do what they can to make things right. That is more important to CCP than the bitter vets here trying to argue how it's not CCP's fault, etc, etc,etc. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vendetta Syndicate
145
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:16:00 -
[78] - Quote
The sp give away I'm not sold on.
The reason for this is that it hurts soon to be new players. (( If only a little bit ))
CCP has spent a lot of effort of shrinking the gap between vets and new players over the years.
Giving away sp like this would be going backwards on that goal over the long term.
I just want my free in game hate that says: Booby prize?
If it happens again I'd like a shirt that says: got milk? |
Basileus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:17:00 -
[79] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less. Oh have you? Really? Be completely honest now.
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floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:22:00 -
[80] - Quote
I'm just at a loss as to what kind of person begs and pleads for no compensation?
It just seems like omega-tier sycophantic behavior |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4206
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:25:00 -
[81] - Quote
floating in space wrote:I'm just at a loss as to what kind of person begs and pleads for no compensation?
It just seems like omega-tier sycophantic behavior Perhaps an honest one that doesn't want to be associated with self entitled beggars?
Doesn't matter either way, it's CCP's call and they've already indicated they will do some form of compensation... because they feel it is the right thing to do, not because they are obligated to. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:28:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:floating in space wrote:I'm just at a loss as to what kind of person begs and pleads for no compensation?
It just seems like omega-tier sycophantic behavior Perhaps an honest one that doesn't want to be associated with self entitled beggars? Doesn't matter either way, it's CCP's call and they've already indicated they will do some form of compensation... because they feel it is the right thing to do, not because they are obligated to.
I didn't see anyone acting entitled, even when servers were down it seemed like a select group of people where already screaming "do not compensate" I find it so unnecessary and almost sickening. |
Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
14
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:29:00 -
[83] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
I don't think you know what a DDoS is. It is not something that someone runs on their basement computer. You need to have control over a hung number of computers to pull it off, not easy. You either need to have hundreds of thousands of people willing to follow you for a cause (like Anonymous) or have control over that number of computers you have been able to compromise (nearly impossible given the security that exists today with modern software). Either way, this isn't something someone can do because they are looking for skill points. |
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
115
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:29:00 -
[84] - Quote
Basileus wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less. Oh have you? Really? Be completely honest now.
A friend of mine, several years ago now, changed everyone's grades in the school system to A+'s. He didn't do it for money, he simply did it because the IT technician boasted it couldn't be done.
It was an amusing week thereafter. People do things only for GÖÑGÖÑGÖÑGÖÑGÖÑ and giggles though, that's for certain. I love to reload during a battle!-áThere's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile into a well greased chamber... |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
323
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:35:00 -
[85] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:People need to read the EULA. I have no problem with CCP doing what it has to do in order to protect my information. Sony needs to pay attention and stop trying to give away free games when some hackers steal my cc info. Thats BS.
Thanks CCP.
^^^^^^^^ from the EULA: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
"NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures."
Some say recovery from a DDoS in the time CCP just did is pretty good.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Captian Darknipples
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:36:00 -
[86] - Quote
I lost a days worth of game play from no fault of my own. CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my last time. All you suck ups can stop trying to speak for the rest of us. I especially get a kick out of you studs that make it a point to sign your name after every reply...Seriously get over yourself. |
Sudog Aonaran
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:38:00 -
[87] - Quote
I really don't care either way, I'm just hoping to get back to my home computer before the servers go down for the update. I had about 1 day and a few hours left when I went to bed on sunday night, servers running fine. Wake up planning to que up my long skills on 2 characters before I start working for 24 hours straight, servers down...luckily I'm in korea, so I should be able to log in when I get back to my room in about 3 hours, I hope. |
Vega Makutu
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:39:00 -
[88] - Quote
Yeah, I don't need to be compensated because some internet psychopath(s) forced your servers offline.
I really hope the person or people that did this get caught and punished though. That would be compensation enough. |
Rumpole Geten
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
Seems we have a thread full of people who love downtime. You know, you can simulate downtime by just unplugging your internet connection? Works a treat.
While you fellows get on with that people who paid money for a service that was down would like a refund. If you thinkj that makes me entitled I can sell you access to a game that never works if you like. No problem at all.
I do agree with the sentiment that skill points are not good for compensation. keep them, refund the cash. Or at a pinch I'll accept game time, but I want at least twice as much as was lost. That is to compensate for the inconvenience, not just the lost time.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1244
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:41:00 -
[90] - Quote
The Launcher debacle was CCP's fault, so they compensated us.
The DDoS was the fault of the person or persons who made the attack on the servers.
I am all for free stuff when it is appropriate, but in this case I do not think that CCP are under any obligation to do so.
CCP deserve credit for how well they handled the situation providing updates. This is not a signature. |
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
535
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:41:00 -
[91] - Quote
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:People need to read the EULA. I have no problem with CCP doing what it has to do in order to protect my information. Sony needs to pay attention and stop trying to give away free games when some hackers steal my cc info. Thats BS.
Thanks CCP. ^^^^^^^^ from the EULA: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/"NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures." Some say recovery from a DDoS in the time CCP just did is pretty good.
Yup, I agree. If it takes a few days to stop the attack thats fine by me as long as my info is secure. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
Ekhss Nihilo wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. Totally with the OP on this. The entitlement crowd needs to back off and enjoy the incredible universe that CCP has put in front of us.
Agreed.
It is one thing when they royally b0rked the launcher, but this was outside their influence. NO FREE SP! My twitch stream to help new players:
http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1244
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 19:43:00 -
[93] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points? If there are people who'd vote for this guy in any kind of election, i bet there are people who'd ddos a game for the 'benefits'.
Forgive my ignorance, who is he? This is not a signature. |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops S2N Citizens
179
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:44:00 -
[94] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points? If there are people who'd vote for this guy in any kind of election, i bet there are people who'd ddos a game for the 'benefits'.
same goes for this one |
Jacob Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:46:00 -
[95] - Quote
Captian Darknipples wrote:I lost a days worth of game play from no fault of my own. CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time. All you suck ups can stop trying to speak for the rest of us. I especially get a kick out of you studs that make it a point to sign your name after every reply...Seriously get over yourself.
Yeah they think they are going to get some kind of a door prize or good standings with CCP. Without compensation they will lose money over this. I know one of my accounts will expire because I was unable to log on to make the ISK to plex it this weekend. Has nothing to do with RAGE or QQ. I was unable to log on and make my isk. So this month the account will have to wait a week or so to plex up.
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Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
26
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:47:00 -
[96] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
I agree, what is done is done, lets not make it profitable... |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:47:00 -
[97] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: CCP deserve credit for how well they handled the situation providing updates.
They delivered 3 sets of short messages via twitter split into 2-3 messages each (total of 7) over 18 hours.
What world am I living in where this is praiseworthy? I mean come on... wth |
Julius Rigel
100
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:52:00 -
[98] - Quote
Captian Darknipples wrote:CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. Yes they are, because the contract you signed says that you owe them that money at that specific time in exchange for playing.
Captian Darknipples wrote:This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time. Feel free to do so, that is the exact purpose of the petition system. But there is nothing in that contract you signed which states that the publisher owes you any "compensation".
Anyway, I honestly could not care less one way or the other. The only way these skillpoints affect me is having to make another petition to have them moved to another character so they don't clutter my skill sheet. Do YOU like to undock? |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
427
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 19:55:00 -
[99] - Quote
floating in space wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote: CCP deserve credit for how well they handled the situation providing updates.
They delivered 3 sets of short messages via twitter split into 2-3 messages each (total of 7) over 18 hours. What world am I living in where this is praiseworthy? I mean come on... wth
WTF do you want them to post?
"Working on the unexpected downtime. THank you for your patience."
"Still working on it."
"Found some veldspar in s server fan but removing it didn't fix the problem."
"We found the cause of the problem! Now working to get things straight."
"Things were really not stright. Lots of work still to be done."
"CCP Falcon just hit his pinky toe on a server rack."
""There is now blood all over the floor but the server guy is still fixing stuff. CCP Falcon is being evacuated."
It's not like there was all that much changing while they fix stuff ... |
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
154
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 19:57:00 -
[100] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
We did get compensated, the game is running again. That is all the compensation I need.
Good work CCP! |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
925
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:58:00 -
[101] - Quote
Paul Panala wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. I don't think you know what a DDoS is. It is not something that someone runs on their basement computer. You need to have control over a hung number of computers to pull it off, not easy. You either need to have hundreds of thousands of people willing to follow you for a cause (like Anonymous) or have control over that number of computers you have been able to compromise (nearly impossible given the security that exists today with modern software). Either way, this isn't something someone can do because they are looking for skill points. This is 2013, not 2003.
There are quite a few operators that will rent out their (existing) botnets for ddos attacks - all they ask is your money and a target. |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:58:00 -
[102] - Quote
So now it goes from OMG THANK CCP FOR THAT AMAZING UPDATES to OMG THERE WAS NOTHING TO UPDATE I <3 CCP
I'm starting to see how some of you may have run into problems during recess in your school years. Which actually explains a lot about EVE itself. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
325
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:59:00 -
[103] - Quote
Captian Darknipples wrote:I lost a days worth of game play from no fault of my own. CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time. All you suck ups can stop trying to speak for the rest of us. I especially get a kick out of you studs that make it a point to sign your name after every reply...Seriously get over yourself.
Suck it up, buttercup
love, Vort
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
51
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:59:00 -
[104] - Quote
i have seen companies not mention for days why there service was down. a few hours in between updates is acceptable. and people we pay for the right to rent the license to play a account on there servers. ccp owns everything we do and has the right to shut service for whatever reason they deem necessary. and the only legal right we have under the eula is the ability to get a refund for the amount of time we lost due to the service being UN-accessible. so if you want to get your 50 cents back have at it.
if ccp gives any compensation it should be a custom tin foil hat that grants +32.5% to DDOS protection. that would make me happy. something fun and fluffy making fun of the situation. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1248
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 20:00:00 -
[105] - Quote
Normally, I do not want to anyone to quit Eve, but dear me, I have read all of this thread now, and I really hope that CCP do not give us any form of compensation, and the 'I want' folk quit Eve for good. This is not a signature. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1156
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:00:00 -
[106] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Doesn't matter either way, it's CCP's call and they've already indicated they will do some form of compensation... because they feel it is the right thing to do, not because they are obligated to.
You said it, 100% correct. CCP are not obligated to do any form of compensation, especially in a case such as the DoS attack. Yet they have stated they will come up with something, out of their own good morals and care of their customers, not because some people are screaming AYE and others NAY.
Because this is who CCP are.
Either/or, I don't care. The very idea that CCP are considering compensation means a lot (of good things).
Thank you for securing my data, CCP.
o7
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse "The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
116
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:02:00 -
[107] - Quote
Julius Rigel wrote:The only way these skillpoints affect me is having to make another petition to have them moved to another character so they don't clutter my skill sheet.
Yuuuuuup. Same here. I love to reload during a battle!-áThere's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile into a well greased chamber... |
James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
17
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:04:00 -
[108] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Paul Panala wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. I don't think you know what a DDoS is. It is not something that someone runs on their basement computer. You need to have control over a hung number of computers to pull it off, not easy. You either need to have hundreds of thousands of people willing to follow you for a cause (like Anonymous) or have control over that number of computers you have been able to compromise (nearly impossible given the security that exists today with modern software). Either way, this isn't something someone can do because they are looking for skill points. This is 2013, not 2003. There are quite a few operators that will rent out their (existing) botnets for ddos attacks - all they ask is your money and a target. Sure dude I'll use thousands of dollars and the possibility to get arrested to get 50k sp in eve, it's not like I can buy isk with real money or anything right? Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
428
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 20:05:00 -
[109] - Quote
floating in space wrote:So now it goes from OMG THANK CCP FOR THAT AMAZING UPDATES to OMG THERE WAS NOTHING TO UPDATE I <3 CCP I'm starting to see how some of you may have run into problems during recess in your school years. Which actually explains a lot about EVE itself.
I'm really lost about what you mean by that now. Is my english really that bad or it's not supposed to make any sense? |
ian papabear
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
117
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:07:00 -
[110] - Quote
why would you even have compensation? some higher sp players like myself had 30day skills in the que anyway, wouldnt make a difference unless eve was down for more than a month lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNReV76PtqM |
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3827
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:10:00 -
[111] - Quote
Winterblink wrote:You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points? Yes.
I once was DDoS by some Russian guy in the old NC to kill my snipe Panther. He all but said it in local to me moments before it happened. I had just popped one of their cynos on station or something and went to a safe spot and cloaked. They launched probes, informed me I was about to have a bad day. In came the DDoS to crash my clients and my IP. After five solid minutes they finally stopped the DDoS attack and I was able to log back in. Into a station of course. I logged my covert cyno alt back on, the system I was snipping in and they warned me it would happen again if I did what I was doing again.
So again, yes. People will do anything possible in this game. Especially if they feel untouchable.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
325
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:10:00 -
[112] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Forgive my ignorance, who is he?
that's Geert Wilders
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:15:00 -
[113] - Quote
I can see some of these people (if and when) they go out on a date and their partner does not offer sex afterwards...
"Hey! I bought dinner! You owe me!" |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
428
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:17:00 -
[114] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:I can see some of these people (if and when) they go out on a date and their partner does not offer sex afterwards...
"Hey! I bought dinner! You owe me!"
Sadly, I'v eseen it happen IRL. It's pretty bad... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2824
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:17:00 -
[115] - Quote
Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
Why not? People will RMT large amounts of money and the worst of the worst KM-addicts will go to greater lengths.
Rewarding everybody for downtime I think is certain to make some people think that they can get more free SP. Imagine if they can bring everything down for a week? And they will be in these forums screaming the loudest for SP, as part of the op.
They should just give everybody a Quafe. |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
I agree - please don't give these players compensation, give it all to ME! muahahaha |
Nada Kenodori
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:22:00 -
[117] - Quote
Karean Frintezaa wrote:Compensating players who werent able to play on sunday is the best choice they make in my opinion.
Although it wasnt their fault that the servers crashed, it is their responsibility to keep them up. As a company it is also their responsability to asure majoraty of the clients are happy with the service.
Its not like they are sacrificing their liives for you, they do it because you are paying their rents,food etc... May sound a bit blunt but its reality.
+1 We're paying (not all of us) for this game. As a new player with less than 600k SP, every little bit count. Getting at least a free day added to my account would be fine and fair. Not too sure about giving free SP, but I'll take whatever they decide (and they will as stated in their previous announce). It's just another good opportunity for CCP to prove how their company rocks and how they care for their customer base.
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floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:43:00 -
[118] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I'm really lost about what you mean by that now. Is my English really that bad or it's not supposed to make any sense?
A lot of children find sucking up and 'suck-ups' to be contemptible... this extends to adults of course as well. The implication being that these kids were picked on in school and then come to EVE and bully other people now, as an outlet for the shame and anger they're still dealing with from childhood 'harvesting tears' as it were. |
HesCalledTheStig
Titanomachy Manufacturing and Research Outer Corridor Resource Acquisition n Procurement
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:58:00 -
[119] - Quote
Are you kidding? Because of a vulnerability on CCPs end I lost almost 24 hours of training only a few days before a major update hits that changes a lot of skills.
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Zenith Huunuras
Pro Synergy
4
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:05:00 -
[120] - Quote
Now that i see people keep bringing up legal arguments and EULAs, you do know that many of these EULAs don't hold much ground against customer protection laws in most if not all jurisdictions. But debating legal stuff is pointless anyway, nobody in his right mind would think of taking legal action is such a minor incident. This is a customer service and marketing issue. CCP didn't provide a service, for a relatively extended period of time, during peak hours. While it's not the end of the world if for me personally if no compensation is provided, the people that strongly ask for one are not out of line.
Oh and this "suck it up" attitude is fine in game. It's one of the things that's attractive to eve. But when it comes to the real world things don't(or shouldn't) work this way and totally unacceptable towards customers. This is why a day added to play time would be a fair compensation in my book, and not free SP. Yes, i do feel entitled, just as i feel entitled to a pizza when i pay for a pizza.
Anyway, this is more for the "suck it up" mob, trolls and tinfoil hat wearers. All in all CCP did a decent job for a not so big company, this is not a hate post. |
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Gempei
CHAOS SQUAD Nulli Legio
40
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:05:00 -
[121] - Quote
Compensation? Yes please - 48 or 72 hour skill queve :) |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:07:00 -
[122] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack.
Respect.
It appears you missed this part from the full message on the log in news feed:
We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon.
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank all of our players on EVE Online and DUST 514 for their patience and understanding during this unexpected downtime and the investigation. We are grateful for your support, as always.
Regards, J+¦n H+¦r+¦dal J+¦nasson, Chief Operating Officer CCP
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
193
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:10:00 -
[123] - Quote
Jacob Muvila wrote:Iosue wrote:i'm not a fan of CCP giving out SP for something like the servers being down while under attack. CCP took the correct action and we should all benefit from their time and effort in this regard. expecting additional compensation because they did the right thing is absurd and unwarranted. granted, i'd feel a bit different if they were compromised and my personal information was leaked, but that didn't happen. i would rather not be able to play eve for a day than have my personal details compromised because they were rushing to get the servers back online.
Guys kissing CCP's ass on the forums will not get you a damn thing. This entire thread is a kiss ass thread. It will not get you in any good standings with devs GMs CCP noone. They do not know who I am they do not know who you are they do not care who we are. They care about money and profits. Ass kissing will get you zero nada nothing at all people. They are not going to read your post and be like oh look at this ass kisser maybe I should give them a prize. http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/03/eve-online-returns-after-ddos-attack-forced-server-offline/Says that "During that down time, CCP discovered a vulnerability that it patched." So yea we need to be comped
nice, reasoned with all the deftness and tact of a 12-year-old. |
Torrentula Chromus
Tax Evasion 4 me
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:17:00 -
[124] - Quote
Free sp isn't compansation. We lost play time, isk, and sp depending on each persons circumstance. Adding 1 day of game time is what we need. It wasn't cpps fault but it is their responsibility. We paid for a service that wasn't available. This isn't an act of god. I don't get a refund if I'm unable to play because something happened out of my control nor should cpp.More game time please. |
Marzsy vox
Requiem Liberators Moral Contradiction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:21:00 -
[125] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
You're very dumb and should stop talking. Seriously. Stop. First understand what a DDoS is and then understand what it takes to pull one off. Compensation IS needed. Their fault or not. The service I pay for, was interrupted and I want compensation. |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:22:00 -
[126] - Quote
Torrentula Chromus wrote:Free sp isn't compansation. We lost play time, isk, and sp depending on each persons circumstance. Adding 1 day of game time is what we need. It wasn't cpps fault but it is their responsibility. We paid for a service that wasn't available. This isn't an act of god. I don't get a refund if I'm unable to play because something happened out of my control nor should cpp.More game time please.
Respect.
You have an excellent point. Having said that, it is pretty clear from the moment that they implemented the SP bonus system that they would compensate via SP bonuses vs actual gametime but one can still dream. :) |
Grantness
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:22:00 -
[127] - Quote
Give everybody a shirt that says "Somebody DDOS Tranquility and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt."
No game time. No sp. |
Joxxy
Vrane Club
13
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:22:00 -
[128] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
Well done char - I like it |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:28:00 -
[129] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
You got this right, I read a forum post of how these players set an elaborate trap using a game mechanic flaw and spent hours setting it up, if you have obsessed crazies willing to spend that much effort for a KM then I wouldn't put it past an eve player. |
Yigal Tzadok
Space Whores And Pimps Whores in space
20
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:31:00 -
[130] - Quote
1 M I L L I O N... |
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baltec1
Bat Country
6782
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:40:00 -
[131] - Quote
Marzsy vox wrote:
You're very dumb and should stop talking. Seriously. Stop. First understand what a DDoS is and then understand what it takes to pull one off. Compensation IS needed. Their fault or not. The service I pay for, was interrupted and I want compensation.
This post is an example of why we should not get anything. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
610
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:45:00 -
[132] - Quote
One of the features of the game, touted repeatedly, is the ability to train 24/7 without being online. Did a player stop their skill queue Sunday or did CCP, following their protocol, bring the servers down? Our EULA does not cover CCP's internal procedures which caused CCP to bring the servers down.
Given CCP made a decision to temporarily remove a feature of the game the onus is on them to make amends for any issues this may cause.
To people thanking CCP for doing their job and protecting our information, get bent. And after you get bent go out and thank your mailman, garbage collector, go to your utility provider, internet provider, etc. and thank them all for doing their jobs. As a matter of fact thank everyone who ever does anything that classifies as doing their job for the rest of your life. And then still get bent.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Duke Pathe
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:46:00 -
[133] - Quote
Puahahahaha!!! Like anyone cares what they do...lol 1 day offline and world colapses... Skills take weeks to train, my bad i had just one finished so my que was empty but weeeee do i cry for some peeweepee offline time game skill ****??! Most off you crying muppets here are deluded tbh i feel pity for you. Give me sp, ship,pos,fuel, whatever or just ignore this incident, noone cares tbh, apart for 10 of forum trols with high selfesteem and premium quality spare time. keke
Previus week when i was returning from work there was an accident on higway, i bloody waited 4 hours in a car on same spot! WTF?! I should be compensated...
Pahahaha you ppl are awesome...keep it up. Noone can take your playtime away from you NOONE, not even electricity or bad IP! Keep fighting for the rest of the world, keep IT UP!
(this will be interesting...) |
baltec1
Bat Country
6782
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 21:48:00 -
[134] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:One of the features of the game, touted repeatedly, is the ability to train 24/7 without being online. Did a player stop their skill queue Sunday or did CCP, following their protocol, bring the servers down? Our EULA does not cover CCP's internal procedures which caused CCP to bring the servers down.
Given CCP made a decision to temporarily remove a feature of the game the onus is on them to make amends for any issues this may cause.
To people thanking CCP for doing their job and protecting our information, get bent. And after you get bent go out and thank your mailman, garbage collector, go to your utility provider, internet provider, etc. and thank them all for doing their jobs. As a matter of fact thank everyone who ever does anything that classifies as doing their job for the rest of your life. And then still get bent.
A better example why we shouldn't get anything. |
Nilanea
Masamune Shirow Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:48:00 -
[135] - Quote
Torrentula Chromus wrote:Free sp isn't compansation. We lost play time, isk, and sp depending on each persons circumstance. Adding 1 day of game time is what we need. It wasn't cpps fault but it is their responsibility. We paid for a service that wasn't available. This isn't an act of god. I don't get a refund if I'm unable to play because something happened out of my control nor should cpp.More game time please.
I also agree. CCP did take down the server themselves (to protect any intrusions into their data base). I would like to have 1 day of game time added on. This sounds more reasonable than sp or anything else.
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Marzsy vox
Requiem Liberators Moral Contradiction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:51:00 -
[136] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Nexus Day wrote:One of the features of the game, touted repeatedly, is the ability to train 24/7 without being online. Did a player stop their skill queue Sunday or did CCP, following their protocol, bring the servers down? Our EULA does not cover CCP's internal procedures which caused CCP to bring the servers down.
Given CCP made a decision to temporarily remove a feature of the game the onus is on them to make amends for any issues this may cause.
To people thanking CCP for doing their job and protecting our information, get bent. And after you get bent go out and thank your mailman, garbage collector, go to your utility provider, internet provider, etc. and thank them all for doing their jobs. As a matter of fact thank everyone who ever does anything that classifies as doing their job for the rest of your life. And then still get bent.
A better example why we shouldn't get anything.
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6782
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 21:56:00 -
[137] - Quote
Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked... |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
325
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:01:00 -
[138] - Quote
Zenith Huunuras wrote: Oh and this "suck it up" attitude is fine in game. It's one of the things that's attractive to eve. But when it comes to the real world things don't(or shouldn't) work this way
Perhaps they shouldn't, but IMO RL stuff does work like that and much more so - RL is by far harsher than anything in EVE. Agree to disagree maybe...
Oh, and suck it up
ps - ProSyn rocks! See ya out there.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
James Kilmer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 22:01:00 -
[139] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
DDoSing some random 17 year old kid streaming LoL isn't the same as doing it to a company... Either way is jail time, but the latter is more inclined to press for that, sue and likely leave them imprisoned and bankrupt. Yeah, totally worth the 50k skill points... |
Marzsy vox
Requiem Liberators Moral Contradiction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:18:00 -
[140] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked...
Yes. CCP being attacked is NOT my problem. I pay for service THEY provide. They failed to provide it and rightly so I am being compensated for it. That is how a good business operates. |
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
610
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:26:00 -
[141] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked... No one is asking for free stuff because CCP was attacked. As a matter of fact if an outside entity took down CCP's servers there wouldn't be a leg to stand on.
But CCP chose to take the servers down.
Notice I didn't state what sort of compensation was due, just that the onus is on CCP to decide. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
66
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:29:00 -
[142] - Quote
Marzsy vox wrote:baltec1 wrote:Marzsy vox wrote:
You think you sound smart but you offer no argument to support your conclusion. You're a child.
This from someone demanding free stuff because CCP was attacked... Yes. CCP being attacked is NOT my problem. I pay for service THEY provide. They failed to provide it and rightly so I am being compensated for it. That is how a good business operates.
it my not be your problem but it is not there problem either. if someone hits a pole and knocks out your electric or a storm comes and you lose internet. the companies do not have to compensate you for stuff like that.
and again you are paying for the right to play there game which they ultimately own and you have no legal rights too. so best case scenario you can petition eve for a 50cent refund or cancel your sub.
and ccp being a good business will probably do something awesome. but no one has the right to demand anything from ccp. so people need to chill and take what they get and when its not 100k+ sp instead of whining about it just send me your stuff and i will give it to people who are actually loyal to ccp. not leeches who believe that there 15 bux entitles them to everything.
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Robert Saint
Playright
48
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:30:00 -
[143] - Quote
I changed my mind............ I don't want SP, i just want to be popular again, like I was in High School... |
Zenith Huunuras
Pro Synergy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:35:00 -
[144] - Quote
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Zenith Huunuras wrote: Oh and this "suck it up" attitude is fine in game. It's one of the things that's attractive to eve. But when it comes to the real world things don't(or shouldn't) work this way
Perhaps they shouldn't, but IMO RL stuff does work like that and much more so - RL is by far harsher than anything in EVE. Agree to disagree maybe... Oh, and suck it up ps - ProSyn rocks! See ya out there.
Obviously RL is far harsher, but i wasn't talking about RL in general, but rather how one acts as a customer. If you pay for a defective phone or a bad plumber, you don't just suck it up. Sure, sometimes you don't have a choice and you end up taking the loss, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't defend your interests.
Anyway, as i said, it's not the end of the world, and there are far worse things than a day of downtime that can happen to EVE.
And yeah, ProSyn is awesome. Suck it up safe |
Arronicus
Chromeria WHY so Seri0Us
655
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 22:44:00 -
[145] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.
No, you haven't, on EVE. EVE has been DDOS attacked once in the past what, 3 years, and most of the members of the group who did so, have been sentenced and are currently serving their sentences. Google 'lulzsec' for the full story.
No one has ever been stupid enough to bring down EVE for 50k sp. Don't be so stupid. |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
69
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 22:56:00 -
[146] - Quote
Arronicus wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:why not. i have seen people do much more for much less. No, you haven't, on EVE. EVE has been DDOS attacked once in the past what, 3 years, and most of the members of the group who did so, have been sentenced and are currently serving their sentences. Google 'lulzsec' for the full story. No one has ever been stupid enough to bring down EVE for 50k sp. Don't be so stupid.
yes but i have seen people in other games do stupid minor exploits over hours to benefit minutely from there efforts. if you have people in a game willing to micro manage market pvp for .01 isk gain. you sure as hell have people willing to ddos to be able to gain a minute benefit from it.
ps not a troll against market pvp. have at it its just not for me ;p |
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
69
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 23:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
Emma Royd wrote:If it were CCP's fault then yes I think a little 'sorry we screwed up - here's some SP as an apology' is a nice touch, but since it was out of their hands then the self entitled we deserve SP attitude stinks. How often does this happen, on a monthly basis, or even annually, how much downtime is extra compared to the 30 mins a day that they say they allow for, but quite often it's far less than that. If it's an average of 20 mins a day, that's 10 mins less than they allow for x 365 - 3,650 mins, or 60hr50min, or a shy over 2.5 days. Funny thing is you don't see people offering to give CCP extra money for the free time, or offer some sp's back do you? and Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. Yes I'm a 2006 player, so by far not the oldest, but if losing a day's training is that important to you in game, then spare a thought for the oldies who didn't have skill queue, the ones who at times had to either set alarms for stupid o'clock to change skill, or accept the fact that they wouldn't be training as there was nothing they could inject at the time. If losing a few hours training if your skill queue ran out is that important, then I'd run away from eve cos it gets a lot worse than a few hours of lost skill time
I know a guy who lost over a month (maybe two??) of training because he forgot to upgrade his clone when he got podded. And this is a player from 2003 with close to or over 200 million SP. **** happens and I cant wait til some of these newbs reach that point and lose 3 million SP in a pod death =P |
THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:20:00 -
[148] - Quote
It isn't a matter of entitlement. It's a matter of some people missing out on training time, as well as game time, because of the actions of some random *******. Do you really think it's right to punish everyone because of what one person or group did? Meanwhile this person or group might not even play eve. I don't think CCP take 100% of the blame on this. However, if we want to be realistic about it, the attack was made possible by a vulnerability on their end. So while I understand the situation, and am well aware that this vulnerability is nearly impossible to prevent ever happening, and is bound to happen over the course of 10 years, I also feel the people who were negatively effected by this should be compensated. Not compensating them for it will just cause more animosity towards CCP, and to be honest they've been getting a lot of that lately. The majority of it is deserved. In this case they handled it very well, but there are other things, like the launcher, stupid minigames similar to what I would expect to see in a game like WoW or Hello Kitty Online, etc. These all build up and cause animosity. To allow some sperg lord's actions to **** the entire community over could potentially push things past the breaking point.
To make it clear, I personally don't give much of a **** either way. I'm not that worried about $0.50 of game time, and I was lucky enough to have skills in training that covered the entire time the servers were down. I would however love some free SP. At this point you're just wasting your breath for the sake of being a sperging white knight. CCP have already stated they are going to compensate in some way. They haven't specified how, so that could be in the form of game time, SP, or even gifts. To go back on that would be economic suicide for them.
So in summary, stop being a white knight. It's not cool and you're a scrub for doing it. Go watch ponies or something.
And if you think someone is going to spend hundreds of dollars, or risk years of prison time to save a few days training time in a game, you're a complete mongoloid. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
226
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:20:00 -
[149] - Quote
I want to be compensated because i'm a special snowflake and the world owes me a living....... that attitude, mind set ...................................................... |
THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
22
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 23:27:00 -
[150] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:I want to be compensated because i'm a special snowflake and the world owes me a living....... that attitude, mind set White Knight Extraordinaire. Also, wanting to be compensated for missing game time you paid for because of issues you had no control over isn't exactly an entitlement attitude. And how exactly does it even relate to a living? Clearly eve is a job. |
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J'Poll
Phoibe Enterprises
2270
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:29:00 -
[151] - Quote
Emma Royd wrote:If it were CCP's fault then yes I think a little 'sorry we screwed up - here's some SP as an apology' is a nice touch, but since it was out of their hands then the self entitled we deserve SP attitude stinks. How often does this happen, on a monthly basis, or even annually, how much downtime is extra compared to the 30 mins a day that they say they allow for, but quite often it's far less than that. If it's an average of 20 mins a day, that's 10 mins less than they allow for x 365 - 3,650 mins, or 60hr50min, or a shy over 2.5 days. Funny thing is you don't see people offering to give CCP extra money for the free time, or offer some sp's back do you? and Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. Yes I'm a 2006 player, so by far not the oldest, but if losing a day's training is that important to you in game, then spare a thought for the oldies who didn't have skill queue, the ones who at times had to either set alarms for stupid o'clock to change skill, or accept the fact that they wouldn't be training as there was nothing they could inject at the time. If losing a few hours training if your skill queue ran out is that important, then I'd run away from eve cos it gets a lot worse than a few hours of lost skill time
As above. +1 on no compensation
This was not CCPs fault and thus they have nothing to compensate for. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics CODE.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:48:00 -
[152] - Quote
I was camping when this all went down, and none of my skill-queues expired while the servers were offline. That said, I'm going to have to disagree with the OP on the grounds that I like free stuff. |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
78
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:52:00 -
[153] - Quote
Galaxy Chicken wrote:I was camping when this all went down, and none of my skill-queues expired while the servers were offline. That said, I'm going to have to disagree with the OP on the grounds that I like free stuff.
At least you are honest lol |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
146
|
Posted - 2013.06.04 00:15:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ager Agemo wrote:you never know how angry those script kiddies from WOW can get after getting podded..
The unhinged there make death threats, and Blizzard posts their forum legal warning about doing so against staff.
You don't poop on your own and buddie's house, to cause the health department to shut the whole damn neighborhood down in the process. -_-
Besides, they don't need to do a DDoS, all they need to do is have Swifty call for some competition -- or launch a popular boss -- and let the celeb crush crash the realms.
Oh, that's right EvE doesn't have that type of star power that moves tens of thousands in minutes. They have to burn their house down to maybe get some media notice -- if their fanbois would even report it to get noticed -- had to goto Massively for an update after CCP went totally dark...even the CCP Twitter link was botched.
And who would want too? Chances are even Anonymous plays WoW. Have to be a kid living under the rock to not have a level 90 there now. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Arronicus
Chromeria WHY so Seri0Us
657
|
Posted - 2013.06.04 00:31:00 -
[155] - Quote
J'Poll wrote:Emma Royd wrote:If it were CCP's fault then yes I think a little 'sorry we screwed up - here's some SP as an apology' is a nice touch, but since it was out of their hands then the self entitled we deserve SP attitude stinks. How often does this happen, on a monthly basis, or even annually, how much downtime is extra compared to the 30 mins a day that they say they allow for, but quite often it's far less than that. If it's an average of 20 mins a day, that's 10 mins less than they allow for x 365 - 3,650 mins, or 60hr50min, or a shy over 2.5 days. Funny thing is you don't see people offering to give CCP extra money for the free time, or offer some sp's back do you? and Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth. Yes I'm a 2006 player, so by far not the oldest, but if losing a day's training is that important to you in game, then spare a thought for the oldies who didn't have skill queue, the ones who at times had to either set alarms for stupid o'clock to change skill, or accept the fact that they wouldn't be training as there was nothing they could inject at the time. If losing a few hours training if your skill queue ran out is that important, then I'd run away from eve cos it gets a lot worse than a few hours of lost skill time As above. +1 on no compensation This was not CCPs fault and thus they have nothing to compensate for.
System security is the responsibility of CCP. Just like if you leave your back window open, and your belongs inside the car get stolen; it's your fault, CCP had holes in the security of their server backend, and they got exploited.
CCP is partially to blame for this. It is there responsibility to keep the servers up, for the timeframe advertised. It is a simple common expectation, that they will not be down due to hackers. If this wasn't a reasonable expectation we all had, they wouldn't bother with any internet security in the first place, and the servers would always be down. Saying that CCP does not share in the blame of the incident is narrow minded.
We should at the very least, have a day added to our subscription time, preferably with the addition of 50k SP. This is not a matter of 'I need gimme gimme', as many of the people trolling the thread would have you believe, but rather one of CCP failed briefly in one of their core responsibilities (keeping the servers secure), and should compensate people for the time they were unable to access their accounts.
Anyhow, continue your hollow rants, J'pol and friends. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
537
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Posted - 2013.06.04 00:36:00 -
[156] - Quote
Just my two ISK.
Do whatever you want, CCP.
I'm not your mother. |
Ripblade Falconpunch
State War Academy Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.06.04 00:36:00 -
[157] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:you should check my age i barely have 1.5m sp. i would love a infusion of free sp. but in this situation it is not warranted. and face it if there was any sp compensation it would be 24 hours worth. and that would be around 60k at max remap. that is really not that big of a deal.
there is too much self entitlement in this world. people really need to just suck it up and roll with the punches.
and yes this is my main so bring on the grief. i will throw rifters at your face all day.
1.5M? What exactly makes you think anyone cares about your opinion again? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2602
|
Posted - 2013.06.04 00:38:00 -
[158] - Quote
Arronicus wrote:
System security is the responsibility of CCP. Just like if you leave your back window open, and your belongs inside the car get stolen; it's your fault, CCP had holes in the security of their server backend, and they got exploited.
Interesting that there are still cultures around that blame the victim for a crime committed against them. Please tell me what country you are from so I can be sure to never go there.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
71
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Posted - 2013.06.04 00:39:00 -
[159] - Quote
Respect.
Not really sure what the group that are advocating no compensation are going on about since CCP made this announcement pretty much right after the servers were put back up.
We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon.
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank all of our players on EVE Online and DUST 514 for their patience and understanding during this unexpected downtime and the investigation. We are grateful for your support, as always.
Regards, J+¦n H+¦r+¦dal J+¦nasson, Chief Operating Officer CCP
Attention perhaps???
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
146
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Posted - 2013.06.04 00:44:00 -
[160] - Quote
Arronicus wrote:CCP is partially to blame for this. It is there responsibility to keep the servers up, for the timeframe advertised.
The only thing to compensate here is for the time when the clock was stopped.
Clock time is what players pay for. If the clock stops, that's what is to be made up. Since the expansion is being delayed a day, that's compensation enough, folks will meet their deadlines (and returning players were not upto date on this ship change, so had to rush with remaps and more to get their skills finished in time. I had 40 days worth of skilling to meet it at 1am on June 4th. That's how close it is for some of the players). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.06.04 00:47:00 -
[161] - Quote
Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?
Anyone who is enough of a loser to attack a game is capable of anything... |
Zenith Huunuras
Pro Synergy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:00:00 -
[162] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Arronicus wrote:
System security is the responsibility of CCP. Just like if you leave your back window open, and your belongs inside the car get stolen; it's your fault, CCP had holes in the security of their server backend, and they got exploited.
Interesting that there are still cultures around that blame the victim for a crime committed against them. Please tell me what country you are from so I can be sure to never go there. Mr Epeen
This is coming from a member of the community where the "victims" of suicide ganking, scams, corp thefts and other gray shenanigans are not only blamed, but mocked for it. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
93
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:01:00 -
[163] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:You do realize that there is an option in your account management to re-activate your account for a short time in order for you to use a PLEX and thus make it fully active again, right? I was on subscription for my first month back, because I had no ISK when I decided to resub. But I put my characters to work and earned the ISK necessary to PLEX the account(s). Without being in game (or perhaps having already reverse redeemed a PLEX), there is no way to pay for the next month without spending real money, whether for subscription time or GTC. Because the game was not online, there was no way for me to get and activate a PLEX, nor was there any way for me to cancel the subscription, wait for the game to come back online, and then use PLEX for Hours to get in game to buy and activate a PLEX. |
Socks the Fox
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:06:00 -
[164] - Quote
I'm all for free stuff even though I had a skill long enough to last til Ody. Heck it's the same skill I was in the middle of the last time they had issues that caused them to hand out free SP. Too bad it won't be in time to put towards said skill :(
I do think an extra day sub time would be nice, though. |
Lavitias Arjar
Vicis Inter Astrum
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:08:00 -
[165] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:You do realize that there is an option in your account management to re-activate your account for a short time in order for you to use a PLEX and thus make it fully active again, right? I was on subscription for my first month back, because I had no ISK when I decided to resub. But I put my characters to work and earned the ISK necessary to PLEX the account(s). Without being in game (or perhaps having already reverse redeemed a PLEX), there is no way to pay for the next month without spending real money, whether for subscription time or GTC. Because the game was not online, there was no way for me to get and activate a PLEX, nor was there any way for me to cancel the subscription, wait for the game to come back online, and then use PLEX for Hours to get in game to buy and activate a PLEX.
Incorrect in account management you can activate hours for plex think CCP gives you something like free 4hours to activate a plex. If you've already done that before just submit a support ticket and I believe they reactivate that option again.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=793
alternatively use Paypal next time and don't turn on recurring subs |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
634
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:11:00 -
[166] - Quote
CCP, please split all the free gifts/sp between those of us who have not flamed/made demands of you in the last 24 hours. (Sorry, I was busy elsewhere)
This includes all the brown-noses hoping to cash in on their fanboisim.
The people demanding no compensation don't want anything anyway...
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Khira Kitamatsu
561
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:14:00 -
[167] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:you should check my age i barely have 1.5m sp. i would love a infusion of free sp. but in this situation it is not warranted. and face it if there was any sp compensation it would be 24 hours worth. and that would be around 60k at max remap. that is really not that big of a deal.
there is too much self entitlement in this world. people really need to just suck it up and roll with the punches.
and yes this is my main so bring on the grief. i will throw rifters at your face all day.
Actually CCP admitted that it was a flaw in their own system that allowed this to occur. So, yeah, it is CCP's fault. Just as it was Sony's fault for not protecting their customers information. What if this little snafu had allowed a hacker to gain access to your CC info...would you still be saying...it's OK CCP, how could you have known and stopped it.
CCP admitted it was their fault, "What we can now confirm is that a person was able to utilize a vulnerability in one of the back-end services that support the operation of the Tranquility server."
I all for praising CCP for being able to deal with this is a timely manner, what I am not up to praising is CCP having this kind of problem to begin with. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
146
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:18:00 -
[168] - Quote
Zenith Huunuras wrote: This is coming from a member of the community where the "victims" of suicide ganking, scams, corp thefts and other gray shenanigans are not only blamed, but mocked for it.
And clearly shows the antisocial nature of EvE.
It's not MMO "friendly", thus markets itself as a "sandbox" game. It's a niche game, with the subs to prove it. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Arkhon Industries Solarmark Coalition
10
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:23:00 -
[169] - Quote
Karean Frintezaa wrote:Compensating players who werent able to play on sunday is the best choice they make in my opinion.
Although it wasnt their fault that the servers crashed, it is their responsibility to keep them up. As a company it is also their responsability to asure majoraty of the clients are happy with the service.
Its not like they are sacrificing their liives for you, they do it because you are paying their rents,food etc... May sound a bit blunt but its reality.
no not at all. as op said it is more important to protect our personal data and their assets, then to keep the server online and vulnerable to hackers. and good work CCP here RIP Iron Lady |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
345
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:25:00 -
[170] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Zenith Huunuras wrote: This is coming from a member of the community where the "victims" of suicide ganking, scams, corp thefts and other gray shenanigans are not only blamed, but mocked for it.
And clearly shows the antisocial nature of EvE. It's not MMO "friendly", thus markets itself as a "sandbox" game. It's a niche game, with the subs to prove it.
Anti social nature? Have you and I been playing the same game?
Also there is not a thing wrong with Eve's subscription levels. It has been slowly growing for 10 years and has one of the most dedicated (and rabid) fanbases of any game I have ever been involved with. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
679
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:29:00 -
[171] - Quote
so much entitlement in this thread.
wumbo |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
93
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:34:00 -
[172] - Quote
Lavitias Arjar wrote:Mara Villoso wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:You do realize that there is an option in your account management to re-activate your account for a short time in order for you to use a PLEX and thus make it fully active again, right? I was on subscription for my first month back, because I had no ISK when I decided to resub. But I put my characters to work and earned the ISK necessary to PLEX the account(s). Without being in game (or perhaps having already reverse redeemed a PLEX), there is no way to pay for the next month without spending real money, whether for subscription time or GTC. Because the game was not online, there was no way for me to get and activate a PLEX, nor was there any way for me to cancel the subscription, wait for the game to come back online, and then use PLEX for Hours to get in game to buy and activate a PLEX. Incorrect in account management you can activate hours for plex think CCP gives you something like free 4hours to activate a plex. If you've already done that before just submit a support ticket and I believe they reactivate that option again. http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=793alternatively use Paypal next time and don't turn on recurring subs PLEX for Hours is if you've already been deactivated. Having paid for a subscription with a card, it auto deducts every 30 days. The day on which the subscription auto deducts was YESTERDAY. Yesterday was the day I would have had to do something. With the website and game offline, there is nothing I could do. |
Gealbhan
243
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Posted - 2013.06.04 01:36:00 -
[173] - Quote
I'll quote myself here -
"Honestly, I don't think there should be any compensation. The downtime was not CCPs fault so why do people feel like CCP owe them something because someone decided to DDoS attack the server?
People need to get over their self-entitlement mentality and just get back in the game. " |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
84
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Posted - 2013.06.04 02:31:00 -
[174] - Quote
compensation is not needed. it is compensation enough that ccp had the balls to shut down the server when a attack exposed a weakness. |
Cat Samura
Benzene Inc. Incendia legio scientiae
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:16:00 -
[175] - Quote
maintenance of security is part of the deal so compensation would be a fair thing to do.
DDOS occurred due to an exploit of a weakness where none should be.
I'm not an IT guru but the above seems a fair argument for compensation.
It doesn't have to be excessive. Just a show of goodwill would be good as I've potentially lost quite a lot of isk from this temporary close of service.
Cheers
p.s. Thanks go to CCP for rectifying the issue in a fairly timely manner. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
146
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:38:00 -
[176] - Quote
dark heartt wrote:Anti social nature? Have you and I been playing the same game?
Apparently not. Have to understand I'm not some 20 year-old. Played games where socialization was the standard, not a rarity (MUDs for example)...and enforced.
dark heartt wrote:Also there is not a thing wrong with Eve's subscription levels. It has been slowly growing for 10 years and has one of the most dedicated (and rabid) fanbases of any game I have ever been involved with.
S-l-o-w-l-y. So slow, maybe in 10 more years it'll have 1 million actual subs (not dual box accounts being at least 40% of the number count). By 2005, 1 year after launch, WoW had 500k subs (in a day multiboxing was almost non-existent, actual 1 sub per computer / household deal...and laptops for playing games was dismal).
You bet CCP watches every Blizzard move, as WoW dominates the MMO world. Pure suicide not too. Best CCP can do is carve a niche, not confront that giant, many a game tried and litter the MMO graveyard.
And why is it successful? It's a game about inclusion. EvE is about exclusion. It's a niche game, with the subs to prove it. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:00:00 -
[177] - Quote
I pay for this subscription with the yearly payment option. Last I checked, a year was 365.25 days long. Yet after 360 days, CCP requests another payment to continue access to their servers.
/sarcasm on.
CCP owes me for 5.25 days *rabble rabble*
/sarcasm off.
If people are so worried about an approximate 50 cents payment "loss", then they need to get their real life priorities in order and hope their silver spoon does not tarnish. |
Karean Frintezaa
Kinky Wizards
16
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:24:00 -
[178] - Quote
ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote:Karean Frintezaa wrote:Compensating players who werent able to play on sunday is the best choice they make in my opinion.
Although it wasnt their fault that the servers crashed, it is their responsibility to keep them up. As a company it is also their responsability to asure majoraty of the clients are happy with the service.
Its not like they are sacrificing their liives for you, they do it because you are paying their rents,food etc... May sound a bit blunt but its reality.
no not at all. as op said it is more important to protect our personal data and their assets, then to keep the server online and vulnerable to hackers. and good work CCP here
What you claim to be more important is what you pay them for, its their job. Would you Pay for eve if you knew your data wasnt safe? Would you even play it? If the data is safe but the clients are still unhappy its a loss for CCP.
They did a good job, even greater job compensationg those who werent able to play Sunday.
I dont get whats so hard to understand.... Or why people are mad and don't want CCP to give compensation for those who werent able to play on their day off.
Most players saying "don't compensate" have been playing eve for a long time. Just let the new ones have fun. I wasnt able to have fun sunday, and its awsome CCP will compensate me and those who feel entitled to for it. If you really dont want a compensation, then don't ******* use it, its that simple, but stop this useless crusade.
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THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:29:00 -
[179] - Quote
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jfWA_0RbDlE/S7LqRD3zBSI/AAAAAAAAABo/HROTb5u-DYM/s1600/ARRG+Northern+Star+white+knight.jpg |
Lasernuts
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:49:00 -
[180] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:EULA shmoola.. its a customer service issue. Customers aren't happy it doesn't matter what your EULA says regarding your (the company's) responsibility.
I for one was out an entire day of play time on my 3 accounts. I pay actual money for those 3 accounts because grinding isk is.. well a grind. So regardless of what the EULA says (and OMG you people actually read that thing?), I'm out that money. So I'd be happy for CCP to pump up my accounts by a day or two (just to be nice guys) of playtime. 50k skillpoints would be fine too, based on the most recent compensation offered for the Launcherpocolypse. I'd much rather get the day of playtime back since that was Sunday and now I'm back at work. But it was their servers I paid to access, I could not access, and therefore think compensation should be had.
You lost a day of play time on 3 accounts. Go get your $1.50 back from CCP and buy a flipping candy bar or a soda at the corner store. |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5121
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:00:00 -
[181] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:dark heartt wrote:Anti social nature? Have you and I been playing the same game? Apparently not. Have to understand I'm not some 20 year-old. Played games where socialization was the standard, not a rarity (MUDs for example)... and enforced. dark heartt wrote:Also there is not a thing wrong with Eve's subscription levels. It has been slowly growing for 10 years and has one of the most dedicated (and rabid) fanbases of any game I have ever been involved with. S-l-o-w-l-y. So slow, maybe in 10 more years it'll have 1 million actual subs (not dual box accounts being at least 40% of the number count). By 2005, 1 year after launch, WoW had 500k subs (in a day multiboxing was almost non-existent, actual 1 sub per computer / household deal...and laptops for playing games was dismal). You bet CCP watches every Blizzard move, as WoW dominates the MMO world. Pure suicide not too. Best CCP can do is carve a niche, not confront that giant, many a game tried and litter the MMO graveyard. And why is it successful? It's a game about inclusion. EvE is about exclusion. It's a niche game, with the subs to prove it.
I'm not sure what your point is? Every MMO is small compared to WoW. Most MMOs combined don't match WoW numbers. The ones that tried to replicate it's popularity or copy the gameplay failed and are now almost without exception either dead or smaller then EVE. So if EVE is niche because of the low sub numbers, the MMO market in the west compromises pretty much from WoW and the rest are niche. So what you're saying doesn't make sense in that regard. WoW is the exception and therefore should not be used as the norm to judge all other MMOs. I'm also not sure what you expect CCP do differently to change things? Be more like WoW in order to fail like the rest and have EVE subs plummet? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2613
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:03:00 -
[182] - Quote
Zenith Huunuras wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Arronicus wrote:
System security is the responsibility of CCP. Just like if you leave your back window open, and your belongs inside the car get stolen; it's your fault, CCP had holes in the security of their server backend, and they got exploited.
Interesting that there are still cultures around that blame the victim for a crime committed against them. Please tell me what country you are from so I can be sure to never go there. Mr Epeen This is coming from a member of the community where the "victims" of suicide ganking, scams, corp thefts and other gray shenanigans are not only blamed, but mocked for it.
Here's the thing. Game world Gëá real world. I was commenting on the real world example he gave.
I am completely secure in my ability to differentiate reality from virtual reality. Though it seems that many here can't.
Kind of sad, really.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Don Purple
Snuggle Factory
6
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:05:00 -
[183] - Quote
I am fine without compensation :), this is a great game and just keep improving it.
<3 CCP haha
Don. |
Jacob Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:19:00 -
[184] - Quote
Don Purple wrote:I am a huge fanboy and I want to suck some ccp **** :)~ , this is a game is my life . <3 CCP 8====D ~ ~ ~ haha Don. Yet more kissing ass. LOL it really is to ******* funny. You are not getting any brownie points from CCP. They don't know who the **** you are they only want your money. Posting **** like this only goes to try and prove who the bigger fan boy is.
See you are all huge fan boys this thread was written by a fan boy for fan boys. One thing I can say is that the forums here are a very small part of the player base and I am rather sure most people do want to get comped. |
Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
86
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:24:00 -
[185] - Quote
Given that the compensation we all have in mind is completely free for CCP to give - It will in no way influence their income or the viability of this game - I see no reason to reject a compensation which, for some, is probably fully warranted.
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Gordon Esil
Bag End
27
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:38:00 -
[186] - Quote
Maybe a check on CCP side for skill queues logs (if that ever existed) for the people who were unable to update their skill training during that down time will be more "fair" to the community
If someone got his skill training finishes during the crisis time then he can be compensated for an equal number of SP, other people who were having longer queues and did not have an issue with skill queue empty I guess better not to have that (and I am one of them)
But I would go +1 no compensation for all as well that is not CCP's fault, and it will bring more love to CCP yes but will make whoever did that do it again (if he was a player), or will make some players try and do that again |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:45:00 -
[187] - Quote
Jacob Muvila wrote:One thing I can say is that the forums here are a very small part of the player base and I am rather sure most people do want to get comped.
That is pretty good - knowing what everyone wants. I want to try that too!
"One thing I can say is in real life you are a very small part of being a nobody and I am rather sure most people do consider you to be an ass."
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Erutpar Ambient
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:45:00 -
[188] - Quote
For some people their skill queues ended during that period of time that could not log in. (me for example) I think it would be at the very least fair to comp an amount of SP equal to the average learning rate over the period of time the servers were down. Some people won't be able to get their destroyer/BC skills because of it. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
657
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:51:00 -
[189] - Quote
I agree with OP - please, CCP, do not compensate anything to Freya Kaundur and his/her alt accounts. |
JaseNZ
EG CORP Mass Overload
20
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:09:00 -
[190] - Quote
Compensation doesn't worry me...I didn't lose anything during the downtimes.
All of my characters were training at the time, and all my S&I still ticked away like it was meant to. |
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Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
87
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:17:00 -
[191] - Quote
If someone loses their ship in game, it's their own fault for: - Taking that freighter through Uedama. - Not checking dotlan before jumping into that low sec system. - Armor tanking rather than shield tanking, making his ship slow and vulnerable to kiting. - Not bringing a falcon/friends. This has always been the logic of the forums
... But if CCPs servers get nuked because of "What we can now confirm is that a person was able to utilize a vulnerability in one of the back-end services that support the operation of the Tranquility server.", the whole HTFU-crowd goes full nanny on CCP, defending their honor and excusing them like there was no tomorrow. I find this a bit strange. Mind you, I'm (naturally) pro-CCP/Eve (why else would I play) and most of the time also on the HTFU-team, but this e-bromance is a little over the top.
If someone lost SP and CCP can pinpoint exactly who and how many, I'd be fine with only those people getting compensation. If they decide to compensate all and be done with it, I certainly won't complain either. Sentries V takes forever as it is :) |
Jake Tzestu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:19:00 -
[192] - Quote
I'm not too fussed one way or the other if free SP is given, but rest assured i will be more than happy to use it if it is given.
If everyone is given the same it doesnt really change much as we all just move 50k ahead and as already been said those of us with chars over 100mill SP 50k is just lose change behind the sofa. You know its there but you dont really care too much. |
peacebee
The Scope Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:21:00 -
[193] - Quote
I lost Maybe 6h of training, not a massive deal but i have a goal in mind a few long skills away so it annoyed me, I lost out on isk from my income but hell, i can make it up in time. I would really love SP, but I wont demand it, i have no right to. If they want to comp, Fireworks. To celebrate eve is back online. Simple |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
536
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:33:00 -
[194] - Quote
I didn't lose any training, I should not have been compensated. Compensating everyone is unfair, because it doesn't fix what happened. Only the people who lost training should have been compensated. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Forum Puppet
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:51:00 -
[195] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I didn't lose any training, I should not have been compensated. Compensating everyone is unfair, because it doesn't fix what happened. Only the people who lost training should have been compensated.
and maybe the ones who lost the only day of the week when they were able to make some isk to maintain their account... I think compensation should be more in terms of time added to account rather than SPs. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:04:00 -
[196] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:I'm not sure what your point is? Every MMO is small compared to WoW. Most MMOs combined don't match WoW numbers. The ones that tried to replicate it's popularity or copy the gameplay failed and are now almost without exception either dead or smaller then EVE. So if EVE is niche because of the low sub numbers, the MMO market in the west compromises pretty much from WoW and the rest are niche. So what you're saying doesn't make sense in that regard. WoW is the exception and therefore should not be used as the norm to judge all other MMOs. I'm also not sure what you expect CCP do differently to change things? Be more like WoW in order to fail like the rest and have EVE subs plummet?
EvE *is* a niche game. It's not mainstream (and it will never be with the rules it plays by).
And WoW isn't the only game in town. There's other genres, and they too are ruled by the same companies (Activision-Blizzard with WoW for MMOs and Activision-Blizzard with CoD for FPS games). They got to be popular with the inclusion model, not the exclusion one that EvE operates under.
If CCP wants to carve a bigger share of the pie, it'll have to make changes. Top, down to be more user friendly. Otherwise it'll be looked at as but a "sandbox" game, and with all of the flak sandbox games get (such as being unpolished; beta quality; unfinished, etc).
That's how it goes. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
824
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:09:00 -
[197] - Quote
CCP don't you dare give free SP to the players of EVE.
I've lost months of not learning anything when i had yearly subscriptions and i was just bored with EVE and it's completely fine.
Crybabies should learn to deal with things much worse than that.
Some people just disgust me. |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:16:00 -
[198] - Quote
+1 for no compensation but a bigger training queue would be nice.. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
Shocker Stalin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:17:00 -
[199] - Quote
Just compensate me by making the Odyssey transition smooth..... pleeeease! |
Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
41
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:25:00 -
[200] - Quote
I don't mind either way what CCP decide to do on this issue; it's their game and nobody is forcing anyone to use the skillpoints if any are allocated.
That said, I would find it both funny and ironic if every character affected by the blackout got skillpoints from CCP that could only be applied to the hacking skill. It would fit in with the Odyssey expansion theme and shove two fingers straight back to the scumbags who caused this charade. |
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Lucretia DeWinter
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:53:00 -
[201] - Quote
Okay, I'm going to be drawn into sperging an opinion all over the forums in GD...
When EVE is unavailable through circumstances beyond CCP's control, such as power outage or DDOS, there should not automatically be a "here's some free SP."
I can understand people wanting it and jumping on any opportunity to get free stuff. Sometimes it's just people being opportunistic and ruthless (because EVE players are generally fluffy kitten fanciers) and other times it seems to be an ugly expression of undeserved entitlement.
It's the second part of that where I have a problem. People work hard to bring EVE to you. They then suffer an attack and put in extra effort above and beyond their paygrade to fix it and protect you. Some people's attitude on this has been extremely rude and I only hope the CCP folks can manage to not take the more vitriolic comments to heart.
I think it's pretty likely that active accounts will get an extra day's playtime added across the board.
I don't know about SP. I'm thinking here of people who may have lost a day's training and will thus not make Battlecruiser V or Destroyer V or Command Ships or any of the other changes they needed to do before the expansion. Sure, people should have planned ahead better and not left it to the last possible second, but let's not be surprised that most haven't ;)
It's still going to suck a little bit if they lost out on BC V and now have to train 4 long skills to V. Personally, I wouldn't mind - if I was already training BC V, I'd get the Racial BC Skills at the level I had, so training them up wouldn't be a huge impact. If CCP chose to give out some unallocated SP for this, I could understand that.
My main hope isn't for game time or SP, but that CCP's infrastructure will be more resilient as a result of the efforts to mitigate this attack and that security, failover and vulnerability management improvements mean that it's back to normal service for a good long while. We have to admit for a complex online service, EVE uptime is pretty fantastic. |
Amitious Turkey
The Red Circle Inc.
114
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:08:00 -
[202] - Quote
Obunagawe wrote:ITT: Old players who already have all the SP they'll ever need, trying to keep new players down and stunt their growth.
All hail your veteran overlords.
By standards like this, I should be running my own 5-year old, 400-man corp by now. Seriously, where's MY EMPIRE CCP PROMISED ME? I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
Ryden Bradshaw
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:57:00 -
[203] - Quote
Simple Solution
When CCP gives out compensation, and they already said they would, just don't accept it. |
Necroromantic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:03:00 -
[204] - Quote
Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.
Yo CCP I found your Ddos attacker... "Freya Kaundur" look how she wants no one to be compensated.. faze 2 of the attack set customer upon customer upon service provider.... boot her back to WOW... along with any other account she owns.... |
Jack Paladin
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
268
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:04:00 -
[205] - Quote
The fact they are sticking to their schedule of releasing Odyssey despite the attack on TQ is a pretty good compensation in itself.
None can stop CCP |
Rowan Zaffa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:05:00 -
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Ryden Bradshaw wrote:Simple Solution
When CCP gives out compensation, and they already said they would, just don't accept it.
Yeah let's see how many of the people bleeding their hearts out about NOT getting compensated DO NOT accept the compensation. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:05:00 -
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I'd like to see them compensate the players but not with SP nor items nor anything like that.
An event.
Game time was taken so give higher quality game time back - run one hell of a big event for Dust and EVE.
The logic being no different than if you order a meal at a restaurant - if there are problems, make sure that the meal they do get is the best it can be and that the quality makes it worth the wait.
So instead of people remembering a DDoS with a trivial SP grant or the like... Instead of potentially rewarding some EVE players who may have been involved in creating such a situation...
Give the gamers here an event that will make them smile about when it happened. |
Kelby
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:14:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/tranquility-downtime-on-sunday-june-2-and-monday-june-3/
Quote:What we can now confirm is that a person was able to utilize a vulnerability in one of the back-end services that support the operation of the Tranquility server. This vulnerability has now been secured and thoroughly tested. - CCP Spielmann
Quote:We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon. - CCP Spielmann
Was the downtime CCPGÇÖs fault? No, not really.
CCP donGÇÖt have to compensate but in this case they have acknowledged a vulnerability was taken advantage of that has now been fixed and have stated they will compensate in some way that is to be determined.
They donGÇÖt have to do this, but the choice CCP have taken to do so is just good customer service.
If they credit your account with an extra day or so of game time and you donGÇÖt like it then log off for the day. If they credit you some lost SP and you donGÇÖt like it then ignore the SP or put them into a skill you will never use.
Since when did an act of good faith by a service provider to their customers become a problem? |
Magni Aesir
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:16:00 -
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Ryden Bradshaw wrote:Simple Solution
When CCP gives out compensation, and they already said they would, just don't accept it.
I didn't lose a single skill point and I still want my compensation. Make it something big too! |
Necroromantic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:19:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Okay, I'm going to be drawn into sperging an opinion all over the forums in GD...
When EVE is unavailable through circumstances beyond CCP's control, such as power outage or DDOS, there should not automatically be a "here's some free SP."
I can understand people wanting it and jumping on any opportunity to get free stuff. Sometimes it's just people being opportunistic and ruthless (because EVE players are generally fluffy kitten fanciers) and other times it seems to be an ugly expression of undeserved entitlement.
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LOL OMG!! in 7 years there have been a thousand times I have been screwed by CCP screw-ups and never a sniff of compensation... the only time it ever happens is when there is a mass issue like ddos or 'opps we intro'd a new and completely suspect piece of software called welcome page' so why sit there going don't compensate??? get what you can when you can because CCP only respond to us when we are violated enmass 10k or more strong. As for how much comp and what type?? well that feckin straightforward game time give everyone what they lost 1 day of play! any sp comp should be minimal and given as a show of commitment from ccp - and if they really want to start compensating us for something then it should be compensation for that Abomination they call (free to play) DUST 514.. it is ****... it screws with the eve servers... it's increased the number of unscheduled downtimes and oh yeah ITS FREE WHICH MEANS ITS US EVE PLAYERS THAT ARE PAYING FOR IT AND THAT'S JUST BULL***T |
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Kate Sakura
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:19:00 -
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Magni Aesir wrote:Ryden Bradshaw wrote:Simple Solution
When CCP gives out compensation, and they already said they would, just don't accept it. I didn't lose a single skill point and I still want my compensation. Make it something big too!
That's awesome! +1 |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:21:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Reiisha wrote:Winterblink wrote:Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points? If there are people who'd vote for this guy in any kind of election, i bet there are people who'd ddos a game for the 'benefits'. Forgive my ignorance, who is he?
Dutch weirdo who seems to be getting a lot of votes in the recent elections.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Crynsos Cealion
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:42:00 -
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If any compensation is happening it should be rather an extra day onto the subscriptions of active accounts, but generally I would also prefer to have no compensation happening at all. |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: I once was DDoS by some Russian guy in the old NC to kill my snipe Panther. He all but said it in local to me moments before it happened. I had just popped one of their cynos on station or something and went to a safe spot and cloaked. They launched probes, informed me I was about to have a bad day. In came the DDoS to crash my clients and my IP. After five solid minutes they finally stopped the DDoS attack and I was able to log back in. Into a station of course. I logged my covert cyno alt back on, the system I was snipping in and they warned me it would happen again if I did what I was doing again.
So again, yes. People will do anything possible in this game. Especially if they feel untouchable.
This kind of attack is a thing in high-end WoW PvP too. It's usually targetted against people's comms, especially is they're using Skype, because the odds are the attacker knows someone who knows the user names their opponents have, making finding their IPs fairly easy. There are plenty of people out there who will break the rules of a game to get a win, and feel justified in so doing, even to the extent of breaking real life laws ('whatever it takes'). That the win gains them nothing material isn't important, because it's about getting what they want, not about the money.
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Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:02:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:I can see some of these people (if and when) they go out on a date and their partner does not offer sex afterwards...
"Hey! I bought dinner! You owe me!" "If you wanted a sure thing, maybe you should have paid a professional. Have a nice life."
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Karean Frintezaa
Kinky Wizards
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:09:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:Guttripper wrote:I can see some of these people (if and when) they go out on a date and their partner does not offer sex afterwards...
"Hey! I bought dinner! You owe me!" "If you wanted a sure thing, maybe you should have paid a professional. Have a nice life."
Corporations arent girls/ladies you take out for dinner, what an awful analogy. I have stated this 1000 of times, its a bussiness, bussiness thrive by having clients, the crash made me sad, i was hoping to play sunday. Im sure im not alone on this.
Its not like they are donating their kidneys to us. Just a little boost for the inconvinience. And its not free stuff, we deserve it because we werent able to play regardless of the issue.
Although many companies dont do so, in my opinion it is the right thing to do. If i had a company i would compensate my clients for my failure on delivering my service. In hopes to keep my clients happy and using my product.
Its pretty simple really...
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Ryks Nalar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:34:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.
again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation. *headslap* Nobody playing eve seriously enough to break several laws to get 50k sp would take down their precious eve for 24 hours. Besides. We all know this was TEST trying to keep their space. |
G1MMEL Uta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:43:00 -
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Jesus christ you guys, I've played for 11 days and a day's worth of SP still means a whole lot to me. **** your petty arguments, it's a game. I want to have fun, and new SP will help people like me on our way. |
Mokhiir Semah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:03:00 -
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Yay we were rightly-so reimbursed due to losing a day of game time that we paid for.
And to the OP, don't speak for me, kthx. |
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