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Kage Toshimado
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:44:00 -
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What was the purpose of moving it? It was perfect where it was. Sometimes I just wonder if CCP actually has a reason to make a change such as this or does it just to mess with us. This was a stupid change. Is there a way to put it back on the toolbar? |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:46:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote: What was the purpose of moving it? It was perfect where it was. Sometimes I just wonder if CCP actually has a reason to make a change such as this or does it just to mess with us. This was a stupid change. Is there a way to put it back on the toolbar?
Sorry.
What else has happened that is determental to YOUR personal convenience?
I know it doesnt matter that its good for others, they should have ONLY consideration for you.
I will personally not rest until YOUR needs are entirely fulfilled, even at the cost of everyone else in this game.
(actually, that sounds like fun) "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:46:00 -
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That's a Templar, the Amarr fighter. It's a combat drone used by carriers. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:46:00 -
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I agree, awful change is awful.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Tsuya
What The Hel
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:47:00 -
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They change things just so they can have a big list of changes to show their boss that the game is innovating.
It's the same thing as bragging about massive playerbase gains when they don't even delete long-inactive accounts. |
Kage Toshimado
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
I will personally not rest until YOUR needs are entirely fulfilled, even at the cost of everyone else in this game.
(actually, that sounds like fun)
Good. Now get on it.
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:48:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote: What was the purpose of moving it? It was perfect where it was. Sometimes I just wonder if CCP actually has a reason to make a change such as this or does it just to mess with us. This was a stupid change. Is there a way to put it back on the toolbar?
They moved it as it's a station service, so they moved it in with station services. Key bind undock, or right click on your ship if moving your mouse over there is too much trouble.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:51:00 -
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I still keep looking down and left to undock.
Now i have to look up and right, it's a conspiracy i tell you!!!
CCP are messing with 6 years of muscle memory for nefarious means!
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:57:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
I will personally not rest until YOUR needs are entirely fulfilled, even at the cost of everyone else in this game.
(actually, that sounds like fun)
Good. Now get on it.
I will, once Ive finished my backlog.
The Exsanguinator is jammed up with connective tissue and Ive discovered the excess blood and bile from the "sweepings" has been collecting between the gaps in the metal floor panels on my Dragoon's lower decks.
This in turn has been attracting rather large rats who sometimes get sucked into the fans of my drones when they launch, painting the drone bay an interesting shade of purple-pink.
The scrubbots cant seem to deal with organic tissue of this quantity without automatically calling the "authorities", so Ive been using slaves, but by god Minmatar have no idea how to use a mop properly. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:16:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote: What was the purpose of moving it? It was perfect where it was. Sometimes I just wonder if CCP actually has a reason to make a change such as this or does it just to mess with us. This was a stupid change. Is there a way to put it back on the toolbar?
put it back, let us move it, resize it. personally a hot-key for undocking is all that I want or need, the button is pointless and it's ugly. Now it's bigger and still ugly.
I'm all for undocking animation. I remember in 2003 when we had undocking animations. They removed it because it was broken, but 10 years later, I still miss it :)
so hoorah for the undocking animation, but do something about the button. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:18:00 -
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They made it all huge and put it next to the "Enter Captain's Quarters" to make sure you knew you could actually "Enter Captain's Quarters". CCP has no sense of humour. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:19:00 -
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Oh no, they moved it. Boo hoo. Just remember where it is a couple of times and soon you'll be clicking it without even noticing
Effect One wrote:That's a Templar, the Amarr fighter. It's a combat drone used by carriers. My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:23:00 -
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Its cool actually if you have young kids. No more filling cargo hold with ore and removing expanders while I'm "grieving" people by staying online when I'm at work. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:24:00 -
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So here's a legitimate reason for you.
It's part of the war on loading bars.
In getting rid of the undock loading bar they needed some new method of indication that their ship was getting ready to undock. The idea was that the undock button be animated itself, however it was far too small to have any meaningful animation that anyone could see.
So they had to make the undock button bigger, but then it no longer fit in the neocom. So to solve this i twas put in the station services and figured they'd do the same to the CQ button while thy were at it to match the theme of the undock button location.
This doubled as a fix FINALLY for the issue that would make people accidentally jump into CQ when typign in chat while docking because the default focus after docking was the CQ button. But now the CQ button is an icon button, not a UI button so it's gone \o/ The Drake is a Lie |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:08:00 -
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It didn't have to move to serve the purpose of eliminating the loading bar: could just change colour or something to indicate the process. Then again I liked "systems check" it felt very natural that a spaceship would check systems before actually undocking not simply eject out. I'd have actually preferred some kind of traffic control on top of that, perhaps be placed in queue and given a countdown that varied depending on local traffic and the other people trying to undock at the same time. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:14:00 -
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Xeraphi wrote:It didn't have to move to serve the purpose of eliminating the loading bar: could just change colour or something to indicate the process. Then again I liked "systems check" it felt very natural that a spaceship would check systems before actually undocking not simply eject out. I'd have actually preferred some kind of traffic control on top of that, perhaps be placed in queue and given a countdown that varied depending on local traffic and the other people trying to undock at the same time.
That might be included as a more extensive animation change at a later date :D
It was mentioned that moving the larger ships caused the larger ones to start running into the geometry of the stations and thus was implying that they needed to change the shape of stations for this.
After said station change I could see the "system check" animation being something like a scanner that passes over the ship during which you have a chance to cancel. Then after the scan the ship starts floating out towards the passageway as you fade to black and from the black to space :D
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or better yet we can show the pod getting sealed up and/or plugged into the ship...
no no no wait
if you're just in a pod then you see yourself getting in for the animation, if you have an active ship then you see the pod getting plugged into said ship's bridge!
YES THAT, DO THAT.
and THEN show the pod/ship starting to move out tot he passageway. The Drake is a Lie |
Zak Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:17:00 -
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I don't see why it matters where the undock button is. It's a minor change and it makes perfect sense to put it next to the other buttons when docked. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
Anti-social Tendencies
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:19:00 -
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Yeah, I don't like the location of the new button, but it is a SMALL THING! Clicking on the upper right of the screen vs the lower left of the screen doesn't affect game play at all. It doesn't add or decrease functionality. It doesn't take more or fewer clicks. It is just a small change that I'll get used to.
If you must whine and complain, do it about the stuff that matters in the expansion. The stuff that is either broken, or were truly stupid ideas. And while you're at it, give CCP props for the good stuff in Odyssey.
Some kids just like to whine and complain I guess.... "Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE |
Kage Toshimado
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:25:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:I don't see why it matters where the undock button is. It's a minor change and it makes perfect sense to put it next to the other buttons when docked.
It matters because like many things in EVE (which aren't broken and work perfectly fine) the player database knows where this is on instinct and now we have to train our little monkey brains all over again. It's just annoying to mess with something that has been there for years and years.
It's kind of like someone hopping in your kay and moving the ignition from the normal spot where you press start (or if you still use a car key) over to the glove compartment. It's just horribly placed. |
Kage Toshimado
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
27
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:28:00 -
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Anti-social Tendencies wrote:Yeah, I don't like the location of the new button, but it is a SMALL THING! Clicking on the upper right of the screen vs the lower left of the screen doesn't affect game play at all. It doesn't add or decrease functionality. It doesn't take more or fewer clicks. It is just a small change that I'll get used to.
If you must whine and complain, do it about the stuff that matters in the expansion. The stuff that is either broken, or were truly stupid ideas. And while you're at it, give CCP props for the good stuff in Odyssey.
Some kids just like to whine and complain I guess....
And that's exactly what CCP wants you to do right? Shut up and take it. Not say anything when we don't like it because you consider it "whining". The thing was, this wasn't broken. So why mess with it (as they mess with some things) at all?
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Elho Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:32:00 -
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Marketing 101 my friend, Bombard the customers attention to revenew generating areas of the game...... Captains Quarter! |
Na Und
Galactronics
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:35:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote:Zak Breen wrote:I don't see why it matters where the undock button is. It's a minor change and it makes perfect sense to put it next to the other buttons when docked. It matters because like many things in EVE (which aren't broken and work perfectly fine) the player database knows where this is on instinct and now we have to train our little monkey brains all over again. It's just annoying to mess with something that has been there for years and years. It's kind of like someone hopping in your car and moving the ignition from the normal spot where you press start (or if you still use a car key) over to the glove compartment. It's just horribly placed.
One of the reasons they messed with it (that you fail to understand), is because they CAN. And you CANNOT do a darn thing about it. So HTFU. Eve is a cold, harsh place [snort]. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2352
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:42:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote:Zak Breen wrote:I don't see why it matters where the undock button is. It's a minor change and it makes perfect sense to put it next to the other buttons when docked. It matters because like many things in EVE (which aren't broken and work perfectly fine) the player database knows where this is on instinct and now we have to train our little monkey brains all over again. It's just annoying to mess with something that has been there for years and years. It's kind of like someone hopping in your car and moving the ignition from the normal spot where you press start (or if you still use a car key) over to the glove compartment. It's just horribly placed.
I'd be some what annoyed if the ignition was put on the left of the steering column instead of the right, but I'm not really gonna ***** about it unless it's put in such a spot that I hit my hand trying to start the car.
But guess what? The new undock button has absolutely NO drawbacks besides being somewhere else. So shut up. This entire whine fest is totally trivial.
Do I really need to say it?
ADAPT AND HTFU. The Drake is a Lie |
Kage Toshimado
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
27
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:00:00 -
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Xercodo wrote: But guess what? The new undock button has absolutely NO drawbacks besides being somewhere else. So shut up. This entire whine fest is totally trivial.
I will not "shut up" and do not talk to me that way again.
It doesn't have a draw back but there was no reason to move it. Your worthless posts say nothing. Your empty and pointless meme quoting at the end is even better. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:05:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote:Xercodo wrote: But guess what? The new undock button has absolutely NO drawbacks besides being somewhere else. So shut up. This entire whine fest is totally trivial.
I will not "shut up" and do not talk to me that way again. It doesn't have a draw back but there was no reason to move it. Your worthless posts say nothing. Your empty and pointless meme quoting at the end is even better.
Keybind it then it doesnt matter where it is |
Castor II
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
96
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:13:00 -
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Consistency? Now all station related actions are in one place. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:16:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote:Xercodo wrote: But guess what? The new undock button has absolutely NO drawbacks besides being somewhere else. So shut up. This entire whine fest is totally trivial.
I will not "shut up" and do not talk to me that way again. It doesn't have a draw back but there was no reason to move it. Your worthless posts say nothing. Your empty and pointless meme quoting at the end is even better.
Yeah Xercodo can't you see this is SRS BSNSS and Will Be Dealt With TM "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:40:00 -
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Kage Toshimado wrote: What was the purpose of moving it? It was perfect where it was. Sometimes I just wonder if CCP actually has a reason to make a change such as this or does it just to mess with us. This was a stupid change. Is there a way to put it back on the toolbar?
I believe the patch notes addressed this issue directly:
The Undock button has been moved from the NeoCom to the station services panel to allow room to provide undocking progress.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2441
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:52:00 -
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Necro-ing this because I didn't realize Kage was so butthurt after my last post haha
Two CCP devs liked my post earlier (#14) so I'm gonna assume that was the reasoning they had. So yes they had a logical reason to move it.
So yeah, kindly shut up again lol The Drake is a Lie |
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