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Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
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Posted - 2016.12.08 21:34:03 -
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Ebag Trescientas wrote:Ymiko Q wrote: Any actual calculator anyway now it is possible to use or better noone?
Pyfa is still being updated regularly. Ascension patch hasn't hit Pyfa yet, but it's being worked on.
Pyfa is run by arrogant pricks. Not worth using. |
Erik Kalkoken
VOLTAGE REGULATORS No Handlebars.
42
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Posted - 2016.12.09 10:42:33 -
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Erik Kalkoken wrote:Hey Gripen,
do you have any plans to update your amazing fitting tool for Ascension. Really don't like PYFA and Ghost Fitting is missing some crucial features...
Gripen, I am a developer myself and would be happy to offer you my help to maintain this awesome tool that you created. Been a while that I did stuff in C/C++, but I am sure it won't take long for me to get up-to-speed again.
Just send me a mail if you are interested.
Cheers, Erik
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ValeraVvV
Providing of the first medical aid SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:20:39 -
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Erik Kalkoken wrote:Erik Kalkoken wrote:Hey Gripen,
do you have any plans to update your amazing fitting tool for Ascension. Really don't like PYFA and Ghost Fitting is missing some crucial features...
Gripen, I am a developer myself and would be happy to offer you my help to maintain this awesome tool that you created. Been a while that I did stuff in C/C++, but I am sure it won't take long for me to get up-to-speed again. Just send me a mail if you are interested. Cheers, Erik
friends,
don't let the project die Eveonline and EFT are inseparable. it's a tradition. this is the style. EFT is already a brand and a cult. who have been playing he will understand what I mean.
Revive the project.
Those who are trying to maintain its current special thanks. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
461
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:47:50 -
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If he stops updating someone else can just take over, its not trademarked. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
132
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Posted - 2016.12.11 12:26:59 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:If he stops updating someone else can just take over, its not trademarked. He hasn't, and doesn't intend to, release the source code from what I understand. That's the main problem.
I sure hope he comes back or has a change of heart... |
Sable Blitzmann
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2016.12.11 18:08:09 -
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Grymmstorm wrote:tried using Pyfa but they don't listen to feedback, so I am not even going to mess with it again.
Hi. I maintain the pyfa project. I take offense to this statement as it isn't true at all. What feedback have you given that was ignored?
Also, keep in mind that pyfa, unlike EFT, is an open source project - so if there is a feature missing and I don't have enough time to implement, the community can do so. Can't say that about EFT. Not only that, but I hardly ever see Gripen here conversing with the community, nor do i see him on TweetFleet Slack's #devfleet channel, so I don't see where you get the comparison that I don't listen to feedback but he does. Not to bash either you or Gripen, but I just think this is an unfair critisim. I've very approachable by a variety of means (email, GitHub issues, Tweetfleet Slack, pyfa Slack).
Grymmstorm wrote: Pyfa is run by arrogant pricks. Not worth using.
Could you please tell me how I am an arrogant prick? IIRC, I've never spoken to you before.
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William R Blake
EPICentre Syndicate The Singularity.
9
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Posted - 2016.12.12 20:52:54 -
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thank you for the ascension update!!!! |
Isler Twy'Lar
Federation Navy 3rd Fleet Wrong Hole.
11
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Posted - 2016.12.12 23:07:57 -
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Sable Blitzmann wrote:Grymmstorm wrote:tried using Pyfa but they don't listen to feedback, so I am not even going to mess with it again. Hi. I maintain the pyfa project. I take offense to this statement as it isn't true at all. What feedback have you given that was ignored? Also, keep in mind that pyfa, unlike EFT, is an open source project - so if there is a feature missing and I don't have enough time to implement, the community can do so. Can't say that about EFT. Not only that, but I hardly ever see Gripen here conversing with the community, nor do i see him on TweetFleet Slack's #devfleet channel, so I don't see where you get the comparison that I don't listen to feedback but he does. Not to bash either you or Gripen, but I just think this is an unfair critisim. I've very approachable by a variety of means (email, GitHub issues, Tweetfleet Slack, pyfa Slack). Grymmstorm wrote: Pyfa is run by arrogant pricks. Not worth using.
Could you please tell me how I am an arrogant prick? IIRC, I've never spoken to you before.
Interesting that Pyfa is a community project. I may have to take another look at it. |
Moloney
Doobie Den
203
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Posted - 2016.12.15 23:32:30 -
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Hi,
Just wanted to add my voice. Please bring EFT, the Epic Fitting Tool back to life!!!
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Sassums
Repo Industries
133
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:53:22 -
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Am I missing something or are the command bursts missing from EFT? |
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LordInvisible
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2016.12.21 08:00:59 -
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EFT hasn't been officially updated for few months now, so yeah, things are wrong there..
For now you can use Pyfa, thats the closest u can get to EFT.. |
AndroGon Navy
Zima Corp Infinity Space.
39
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Posted - 2016.12.21 17:52:17 -
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Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2016.12.22 23:57:07 -
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Sassums wrote:Am I missing something or are the command bursts missing from EFT?
You are not.
Even if the database was updated to add the items themselves, they wouldn't work properly. Dev work would need to be done to make them work, we completely reworked the code for Pyfa (and still fiddling with it). |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1030
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Posted - 2016.12.23 16:31:46 -
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Ebag Trescientas wrote:Sassums wrote:Am I missing something or are the command bursts missing from EFT? You are not. Even if the database was updated to add the items themselves, they wouldn't work properly. Dev work would need to be done to make them work, we completely reworked the code for Pyfa (and still fiddling with it).
The new command bursts setup and capabilities are so not friendly for fitting tools - as someone with programming experience I don't envy you one bit implementing them (supporting alpha limitations for those fits looks like a bit of a pain as well). |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2016.12.24 18:14:52 -
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Rroff wrote: The new command bursts setup and capabilities are so not friendly for fitting tools - as someone with programming experience I don't envy you one bit implementing them (supporting alpha limitations for those fits looks like a bit of a pain as well).
It's already mostly done. We did it like the old fleet boosts just to keep it the same, but we might change it down the road.
There are still a few lingering things that are left, mostly tweaking the effects to make sure they all apply correctly (there's a few that aren't).
But it's working, Blitzmann did some awesome work on it.
Alpha limitations are also being worked on. Not sure how close he is to having a working release, but I know he has some stuff in the works. |
Lord Bill Gates
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.12.26 00:39:31 -
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Tried to download with mirror 1 and it doesn't accept my inputs... very annoying, ending up using mirror number 2 and my antivirus detected something dodgy.
"Kaspersky Total Security ACCESS DENIED The requested URL cannot be provided
URL:
http://h68383.srv7.test-hf.ru/EFT2.35.zi<...>
Blocked by Web Anti-Virus
Reason: dangerous URL
Click here if you believe that the web page has been blocked by mistake.
Detection method: cloud protection Message generated at: 00:38:23"
So I don't know |
Ti'El
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
3
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Posted - 2016.12.29 15:12:12 -
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When can we see this project hosted on GIT ?!
Thanks. o7 |
Beebleborx Zaphod
Beebleborx Zaphod Corporation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:35:19 -
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when can we, if any, expect the next update? |
LordInvisible
Deep-Fried Prawns with Lemon
26
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:51:20 -
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Well, switching to pyfa wasnt easy, but once you are there, you can get used of it..
Doubt there is gonna be any updates, I think it pilled up too much changes already.. |
Beebleborx Zaphod
Beebleborx Zaphod Corporation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.09 15:12:05 -
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LordInvisible wrote:Well, switching to pyfa wasnt easy, but once you are there, you can get used of it..
Doubt there is gonna be any updates, I think it pilled up too much changes already..
Yea I am curently using pyfa, but i am much mroe comfrtable with the eft ui, and pyfa at least for me is a bit laggy (it just feels like the commands take a bit longer to respond than eft)
It's going to be loss if it's not updated. |
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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1034
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Posted - 2017.01.09 16:44:14 -
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Not that pyfa is bad - but I can put a fit together in EFT 3-4x quicker :S |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:46:25 -
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Rroff wrote:Not that pyfa is bad - but I can put a fit together in EFT 3-4x quicker :S
How so? |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1036
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Posted - 2017.01.09 20:43:00 -
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Dunno really just the flow of it and presentation means I can get to what I want quicker, a little more responsive when doing stuff as well but mostly I just find EFT more intuitive. |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2017.01.11 00:20:09 -
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Rroff wrote:Dunno really just the flow of it and presentation means I can get to what I want quicker, a little more responsive when doing stuff as well but mostly I just find EFT more intuitive.
That's fair, there's nothing wrong with simply being more comfortable and used to it.
I was wondering if there was a specific workflow, process, etc that was causing the difference. Unfortunately can't code "make user work better" into the app. :) |
Blake Lowe
Harmonic Network Galactic Skyfleet Empire
10
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Posted - 2017.01.11 10:19:38 -
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If the developer releases the source it should (If it's programmed relatively neatly) be fairly easy for someone to update. As really all it needs are new ship types and updating of stats for modules and such. |
Sable Blitzmann
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
219
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Posted - 2017.01.11 20:36:23 -
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Blake Lowe wrote:If the developer releases the source it should (If it's programmed relatively neatly) be fairly easy for someone to update. As really all it needs are new ship types and updating of stats for modules and such.
You sweet summer child, one does not simply update a fitting tool. ;)
There's been some major game mechanic changes that have happened that need logic built out to support them. It's not just the database is out of date. |
Ti'El
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
3
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Posted - 2017.01.13 10:44:22 -
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When can we see this project hosted on GIT ?!
Thanks. o7 |
Robby Titan
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.01.13 16:25:13 -
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Any update on what's happening with EFT. This has been my tool since I first started playing Eve. I haven't tried Pyfa in a few years, but last time I did I ran away. If this isn't being updated are there other options besides Pyfa or do I have to try that again? Ideally I'd just like an update on what's happening with EFT...
If your boat hasn't come in yet, swim out to it
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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1045
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Posted - 2017.01.16 11:12:08 -
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Ebag Trescientas wrote:Rroff wrote:Dunno really just the flow of it and presentation means I can get to what I want quicker, a little more responsive when doing stuff as well but mostly I just find EFT more intuitive. That's fair, there's nothing wrong with simply being more comfortable and used to it. I was wondering if there was a specific workflow, process, etc that was causing the difference. Unfortunately can't code "make user work better" into the app. :)
I think one thing is getting to ship fittings and cross referencing fittings - I often have several different ships open in the main window of EFT so I can compare stuff at a glance, etc. and can't see off hand a way to do similar in Pyfa - swapping between tabs and going back and forth within the fittings pane for me is slower than double clicking through the ships menu in EFT and moving individual ship fitting windows around.
(Obviously there are going to be some people for whom tabs is more efficient). |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2017.01.18 01:53:44 -
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Robby Titan wrote:Any update on what's happening with EFT. This has been my tool since I first started playing Eve. I haven't tried Pyfa in a few years, but last time I did I ran away. If this isn't being updated are there other options besides Pyfa or do I have to try that again? Ideally I'd just like an update on what's happening with EFT...
There are a few online options. Just Google "eve fitting tool".
Rroff wrote:Ebag Trescientas wrote:Rroff wrote:Dunno really just the flow of it and presentation means I can get to what I want quicker, a little more responsive when doing stuff as well but mostly I just find EFT more intuitive. That's fair, there's nothing wrong with simply being more comfortable and used to it. I was wondering if there was a specific workflow, process, etc that was causing the difference. Unfortunately can't code "make user work better" into the app. :) I think one thing is getting to ship fittings and cross referencing fittings - I often have several different ships open in the main window of EFT so I can compare stuff at a glance, etc. and can't see off hand a way to do similar in Pyfa - swapping between tabs and going back and forth within the fittings pane for me is slower than double clicking through the ships menu in EFT and moving individual ship fitting windows around. (Obviously there are going to be some people for whom tabs is more efficient).
Yeah, comparing fits is a much asked for feature.
Unfortunately we'll (probably) never go the route of side by side fits. Single vs multi is a very low level decision, and each app is designed entirely around that fact. Simply comparing a fit (or the stats) might be an option, but that's something that requires a lot of GUI reworking.
For me, I'm very interested in looking at making Pyfa more efficient. We've already found a number of areas where there were serious slowdowns (for example, a scenario where Pyfa would launch slower if your DB was empty rather than full), and I plan on continuing to hunt down areas where there are similar issues. Being what it is (a GUI app based in python) it'll never be as fast as other options, but there's definitely optimization that can happen.
While we can't get rid of tabs, maybe we can at least make swapping between tabs less painful. :) |
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