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Dark Aiden
The Inf1dels Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:22:00 -
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OK... I ran mag sites aka data sites before odyssey and it was awesome so now CCP has decided to complete trash (holding back foul language despite how hard this is) all of those sites which you would get really good loot helping you make money if you don't want to sit around with a gun your mouth all day and mine... SO I tried this new data site hacking game it is interesting yes BUT YOU FAIL TWICE AND IT BLOWS UP!! ARE YOU F***ING SERIOUS OH WAIT THEN IF YOU GET LUCKY ENOUGH TO SUCCEED IN THIS RIGGED GAME IT SHOOTS OUT A 100 MINIATURE CANS WHICH YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER AT GETTING THEM AND THEY BLOW UP AFTER 10 SECONDS....SO IN SHORT YOU JUST SPENT A HOUR OF YOUR LIFE FOR GARBAGE!!!!...... These sites need to be put back to how they were and CCP STOP KILLING EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS GAME!!! |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:44:00 -
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Dark Aiden wrote:OK... I ran mag sites aka data sites before odyssey and it was awesome so now CCP has decided to complete trash (holding back foul language despite how hard this is) all of those sites which you would get really good loot helping you make money if you don't want to sit around with a gun your mouth all day and mine... SO I tried this new data site hacking game it is interesting yes BUT YOU FAIL TWICE AND IT BLOWS UP!! ARE YOU F***ING SERIOUS OH WAIT THEN IF YOU GET LUCKY ENOUGH TO SUCCEED IN THIS RIGGED GAME IT SHOOTS OUT A 100 MINIATURE CANS WHICH YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER AT GETTING THEM AND THEY BLOW UP AFTER 10 SECONDS....SO IN SHORT YOU JUST SPENT A HOUR OF YOUR LIFE FOR GARBAGE!!!!...... These sites need to be put back to how they were and CCP STOP KILLING EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS GAME!!!
Have you got any stuff I can have? |
Haulie Berry
889
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:58:00 -
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Dark Aiden wrote:OK... I ran mag sites aka data sites before odyssey and it was awesome so now CCP has decided to complete trash (holding back foul language despite how hard this is) all of those sites which you would get really good loot helping you make money if you don't want to sit around with a gun your mouth all day and mine... SO I tried this new data site hacking game it is interesting yes BUT YOU FAIL TWICE AND IT BLOWS UP!! ARE YOU F***ING SERIOUS OH WAIT THEN IF YOU GET LUCKY ENOUGH TO SUCCEED IN THIS RIGGED GAME IT SHOOTS OUT A 100 MINIATURE CANS WHICH YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER AT GETTING THEM AND THEY BLOW UP AFTER 10 SECONDS....SO IN SHORT YOU JUST SPENT A HOUR OF YOUR LIFE FOR GARBAGE!!!!...... These sites need to be put back to how they were and CCP STOP KILLING EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS GAME!!!
Don't fail twice, then. Frankly, I appreciate that there's a real reason to do exploration in an exploration-centric ship now, not to mention actually use T2 analyzer modules. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1259
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:39:00 -
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What a unique, insightful thread. What inspired you to write it? The added touch of putting it in Science & Industry was a blinding coup de grace to top it off; no one saw that coming! |
Chic Botany
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:23:00 -
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You sound angry OP, anything we can do to help? |
Janna Windforce
EVE University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:28:00 -
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As "wrong" as the OP's post is, I have to mildly agree - on one hand they wanted to make exploration interesting for new ppl (new players and also those who never tried it), on other hand without T2 modules you don't really have big chance of getting something, even so if you are in eg. low/nullsec, where the sites are harder... |
Haulie Berry
900
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:39:00 -
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Janna Windforce wrote:As "wrong" as the OP's post is, I have to mildly agree - on one hand they wanted to make exploration interesting for new ppl (new players and also those who never tried it), on other hand without T2 modules you don't really have big chance of getting something, even so if you are in eg. low/nullsec, where the sites are harder...
I did not have much trouble doing null and low sec sites on Sisi with T1 analyzers (I did rig, but that only increases the hitpoints).
The T2 analyzers are absolute easymode. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
580
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:04:00 -
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1) Stop sucking at hacking, it's easy as cake in high/low, only null it gets a little harder 2) Get a buddy, 2 people can nab all the cans that spew out. 3) Your Stuff, can I haz?
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Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Spaceship Samurai
189
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:40:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Have you got any stuff I can have? I think it is all in one of those little blinky cans. And since it's only hydrogen batteries, I don't think it is going to be useful.
As for the OP, I recommend a book that your local library should have: Who Moved My Cheese. Throughout life, there will come times when your cheese gets moved and you have to change and adapt, especially when it is time for the new cover sheet for the TPS report. |
Dark Aiden
The Inf1dels Insidious Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:57:00 -
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the problem is that they decided it would be smart to eject all your loot into cans that self destruct after 10 second I like the game its interesting I dont mind that but if i successfully hack it keep it like it use to be you open the can it is all there I think CCP is absolutely mentally f***ing ******** they introduce 1 thing and destroy 10 and im not quiting so where is the can i have your stuff coming from? |
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:18:00 -
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Dark Aiden wrote:the problem is that they decided it would be smart to eject all your loot into cans that self destruct after 10 second I like the game its interesting I dont mind that but if i successfully hack it keep it like it use to be you open the can it is all there I think CCP is absolutely mentally f***ing ******** they introduce 1 thing and destroy 10 and im not quiting so where is the can i have your stuff coming from?
...but they doubled the amount of loot, and it's trivial to grab half of those cans, so what's the real problem, here?
It basically allows you to solo-explore, and get the same amount of loot as before, or bring a friend without having to split the previous quantity of loot. |
Dark Aiden
The Inf1dels Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:25:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dark Aiden wrote:the problem is that they decided it would be smart to eject all your loot into cans that self destruct after 10 second I like the game its interesting I dont mind that but if i successfully hack it keep it like it use to be you open the can it is all there I think CCP is absolutely mentally f***ing ******** they introduce 1 thing and destroy 10 and im not quiting so where is the can i have your stuff coming from? ...but they doubled the amount of loot, and it's trivial to grab half of those cans, so what's the real problem, here? It basically allows you to solo-explore, and get the same amount of loot as before, or bring a friend without having to split the previous quantity of loot.
NO you will never get as much as you could before solo because you can only pick up 2 maybe 3 of those cans if your lucky so half? clearly you have not done it recently |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:33:00 -
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Dark Aiden wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Dark Aiden wrote:the problem is that they decided it would be smart to eject all your loot into cans that self destruct after 10 second I like the game its interesting I dont mind that but if i successfully hack it keep it like it use to be you open the can it is all there I think CCP is absolutely mentally f***ing ******** they introduce 1 thing and destroy 10 and im not quiting so where is the can i have your stuff coming from? ...but they doubled the amount of loot, and it's trivial to grab half of those cans, so what's the real problem, here? It basically allows you to solo-explore, and get the same amount of loot as before, or bring a friend without having to split the previous quantity of loot. NO you will never get as much as you could before solo because you can only pick up 2 maybe 3 of those cans if your lucky so half? clearly you have not done it recently
Spent a good bit of time doing it yesterday, and quite a number of hours on Singularity. If you can't grab half, you're inept. |
Zane Lowe
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:04:00 -
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1) the minigame is probably too easy, I almost never lose and I have **** skills.
2) The fact that you can use the cargo scanner to see what cans are going to be valuable and then cherry pick the good stuff is silly. This needs to be nerfed. |
Haulie Berry
908
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:57:00 -
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This is a bit under 3 hours in low sec.
http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZ
As you can see, it is clearly impossible to get any loot anymore, data sites are completely screwed, and this is a huge problem, and I we should all be ranting about it in CAPITAL LETTERS. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:11:00 -
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Once I figured out the strategy I haven't lost the minigame. I imagine it is possible to lose it, but you'd have to roll a pretty nasty board. Got 3 decryptors from 4 sites, its not an "unusual" haul by any means.
Although its less convenient, I doubt new players who never did it the old way will ever care. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:37:00 -
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Dark Aiden wrote:the problem is that they decided it would be smart to eject all your loot into cans that self destruct after 10 second I like the game its interesting I dont mind that but if i successfully hack it keep it like it use to be you open the can it is all there I think CCP is absolutely mentally f***ing ******** they introduce 1 thing and destroy 10 and im not quiting so where is the can i have your stuff coming from?
Its a new game mechanic and you need to learn how it works. Yes change is awful and it should be feared but that's why you need to adapt.
First read up on the changes, go thought he dev blog, read the many many write ups already available, or watch some youtube videos. You also may have been able to get away with low relic/haking skills, but not they are needed for something other then simply using T2 mods. Have you bought the new mods available to increase skills in the meta game? Looked into ships that offer bonuses? Did you read that they increased the loot drop considerably and that on average collecting 1/2 the cans is considerably more then you would have gotten before the expansion, and that on average you will get more then before? Or how about the fact there are more items including faction tower BPCs?
Its better, in every way except that it is different. You need to learn how to play this new game mechanic and stop thinking of it as the old push button get a peanut game mechanic and now work for your isk. |
Lilinallte Alleile
Free Unified Spirits of Eve Blood Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:28:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:This is a bit under 3 hours in low sec. http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZAs you can see, it is clearly impossible to get any loot anymore, data sites are completely screwed, and this is a huge problem, and we should all be ranting about it in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Nag nag nag... I've got my skills at level 3, my tools are T1 and i'm in 0.2 sec area. Just did a Data and a Relic site, no issues at all. Getting half the cans easily, but... not even close to what I was making before. In fact about half the amount, estimated. Now getting around 8 mill estimated value for half the cans spitted out after success, in pre-patched hacking site i would get between 15 and 20 mill estimated value...
Also: there seems to be little to no difference to the actual loot in either data and/or relic site... what happened to the bpc's i was getting before by the shitload?
Clearly, this needs fine-tuning... although i love the fact that the sites are no longer guarded:) probably a glitch too... hehehehe --- Click https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=f95f73a0-8b2f-4dff-9945-0f6ad28e4fd1&action=buddy for a Buddy Invite... |
Lilinallte Alleile
Free Unified Spirits of Eve Blood Night Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:33:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:This is a bit under 3 hours in low sec. http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZAs you can see, it is clearly impossible to get any loot anymore, data sites are completely screwed, and this is a huge problem, and we should all be ranting about it in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Nice screenshot, and loot from low sec Amarr AND Gallente systems... Where did you get the bpc's from? i'm not getting any anymore, and exploration is my one and only occupation, so doing it all day:) --- Click https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=f95f73a0-8b2f-4dff-9945-0f6ad28e4fd1&action=buddy for a Buddy Invite... |
Praxis Ginimic
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:43:00 -
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Dude your caps lock key is broken |
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:34:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:
If you can't grab half, you're inept.
or colour blind
The choice of red = bad and green = good means that the whole thing is pretty much unplayable for anyone who can't make that distinction. Maybe that's the OP's problem.. ? |
Tora Nex
Team Voyager
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Posted - 2013.06.06 09:38:00 -
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How to find out what is in the cans? I am clicking like mad on this smal icons, and get 2-4 random things. |
Lilinallte Alleile
Free Unified Spirits of Eve Blood Night Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:24:00 -
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Tora Nex wrote:How to find out what is in the cans? I am clicking like mad on this smal icons, and get 2-4 random things.
When hoovering there's a green/red distinction, then right-click and 'take', although that option sometimes doesn't show in the dropdown menu...
--- Click https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=f95f73a0-8b2f-4dff-9945-0f6ad28e4fd1&action=buddy for a Buddy Invite... |
Kijimea
Mulors
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:36:00 -
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It is funny to see ppl raging because they are too stupid to succeed fast in the minigame and to choose the right cans depending on the cargo scan before. I wonder how long those ppl did exploring before? I am a casual player and i find it super easy to hack and access the worthfull cans without any problems. Yehyeh everythings bad now huh.. was so much better to just hack a can which was empty wow. Silly. |
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
13
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:27:00 -
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So... the hacking minigame is harsh and hard ? It's complicated ?
I like complexity, I don't play EVE because it's easy or fair or even simple.
I'm going to give exploration a try then, thank you for your input OP ! ----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á BUT NOT ATM :)-á-á-á --- |
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
13
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:30:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:This is a bit under 3 hours in low sec. http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZAs you can see, it is clearly impossible to get any loot anymore, data sites are completely screwed, and this is a huge problem, and we should all be ranting about it in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Very nice Haulie, what ship do you use for this ?
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á BUT NOT ATM :)-á-á-á --- |
Haulie Berry
918
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Posted - 2013.06.06 14:18:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:
If you can't grab half, you're inept.
or colour blind The choice of red = bad and green = good means that the whole thing is pretty much unplayable for anyone who can't make that distinction. Maybe that's the OP's problem.. ?
There is no red in the current system, or if there is, I haven't seen it yet.
The colors are:
Green: You can grab the can. Yellow: You can't grab the can because you're currently grabbing a different can. White: Out of range.
Lara Dantreb wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:This is a bit under 3 hours in low sec. http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZAs you can see, it is clearly impossible to get any loot anymore, data sites are completely screwed, and this is a huge problem, and we should all be ranting about it in CAPITAL LETTERS. Very nice Haulie, what ship do you use for this ? Edit : I meant fitting not ship
Nothing special. Anathema
Highs: Cloak, Probe Launcher II Mids: 1mn MWD, data analyzer II, relic analyzer II, cargo scanner II Lows: Nanofibers (thought it would be useful if I had to chase after any cans, but I never really have to do this) Rigs: Large grav caps (that's how long I've had this particular anathema :D)
Honestly, it's all about the cargo scanner and knowing which cans items go into.
Decryptors always go in "parts" containers. Blueprints always go in "data" containers, etc.
So, if you do a cargo scan and see one decryptor, grab parts cans until you get a decryptor. After that, you can just move on, unless you want anything else. I skip the data interface materials because they take up too much space.
If you're just grabbing the spew containers at random, you're doing it very, VERY wrong. For most containers, I can get everything I actually want from them by myself. I missed one decryptor, one stack of T2 salvage, and one blueprint that I wanted all night. |
Surumi Fujikawa
Helghast Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:15:00 -
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Try hacking more than one site before you rageface. Plenty of loot is dropped, even in highsec you can make 40mil/hour doing these. The hacking minigame is quite easy, just need to learn how to do it, then you can basically do it in your sleep. I can crack them in about 10 seconds on average. If you get one of your dozens of alts at the cans with you and you can multibox enough, you can tractor all the cans in easily, and get double the pre odyssey loot. |
Surumi Fujikawa
Helghast Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:20:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:
If you can't grab half, you're inept.
or colour blind The choice of red = bad and green = good means that the whole thing is pretty much unplayable for anyone who can't make that distinction. Maybe that's the OP's problem.. ?
The cans are only red when someone else is tractoring one in. They all turn green at once to signal that you can click on the next can to tractor in. As far as i know there are no 'bad' cans, i think all of them have a chance of dropping something useful if you are doing difficult enough sites.
Yellow = wait for current tractor
Green = you can select the next can
Blinky = about to vanish
Red = someone else is tractoring.
Also, the timer between tractors is a set thing, if you learn the timing or just spam click the next can you dont need the colors to identify which cans.
As a colorblind person, i didnt really expect that you'd be able to tell that there were no red cans anyhow. :D |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio
74
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:40:00 -
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since all the above want your stuff , can i have your isk ? Ride hard, live with passion-á |
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