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Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:22:00 -
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First let me say the new BCs sound AWESOME. The Tornado is pure sex, and I'm sure the other ships will look amazing too. And battleship guns?? F'in win.
I just wanted to make one suggestion, and I hope CCP hears this and considers it before they finish development and it's too late. Make the new BC's viable with medium guns as well.
While the idea of putting oversized guns on your ship sounds awesome, it may be of limited use in the current metagame. They wouldn't be very effective against smaller ships, and you wouldn't be able to field them against standard BS fleets because they're a lot more fragile. I don't want them to end up being that ship that you bought just because it was new and cool, but you rarely undock because it has very little practical use.
When you run into a tier 2 BC nowadays, you have a general idea of what to expect but you can never know for sure. Is that Drake HAM/buffer fit? Or is it HML nano? That Myrm, should I bring neuts to counter its armor reps? But what if it's buffer fit? Hurricane - armor or shield tanked? I want these new ships to be something I can use everyday, something as versatile and effective as the current tier 2 BCs. I want these tier 3 BCs to make the tier 2 BCs as obsolete as the curret tier 1 BCs are. I want these ships to LIVE UP to their current hype!
These are just my thoughts, but I hope they resonate with other members of the community as well, and that CCP at least considers this before they roll out these new ships.
That is all :) |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:23:00 -
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We might as well get rid of all ships and just make the Tornado do everything if we take your advice. |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
614
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:24:00 -
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Aerilis wrote:I just wanted to make one suggestion, and I hope CCP hears this and considers it before they finish development and it's too late. Make the new BC's viable with medium guns as well.
So you wanna nerf the buff?
Ah, sorry man, had to. 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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InVictus Kell
Gladiators of Rage White Noise.
27
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:25:00 -
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no lets make the Deimos do everything...that way i can be comfortable with my epeen envy. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
61
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:28:00 -
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I expect that you will be able to use medium weapons just fine, but that the bonuses will apply to large weapons. As for fitting, they are probably going to use the stealth bomber trick of reducing fitting requirements for large weapons instead of giving the ships huge amounts of base grid/cpu. That should still leave enough fitting to go for medium weapons if you so choose. |

Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
1
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:29:00 -
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Hopefully they allow the fitting of the big guns with raw grid vice a SB bomber power bonus.
That way you can fit large armament for max gank.....or tank the living **** out if it with medium guns, plus the customary command bonus and its good to go.
I wonder what the slow layout is going to look like. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
1
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:31:00 -
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One word:
Snipers.
That's what comes to my mind. Big glass guns using speed, low signature and distance as a defense.
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Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
29
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:33:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:One word:
Snipers.
That's what comes to my mind. Big glass guns using speed, low signature and distance as a defense.
That's actually pretty much what I'm afraid of, I don't want these to JUST be snipers. |

Russell Casey
One Ton THREE WOLF
35
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:36:00 -
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I once put small guns on a stealth bomber. |

Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:37:00 -
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Aerilis wrote: That's actually pretty much what I'm afraid of, I don't want these to JUST be snipers.
WTF are you talking about. No one said they would be Snipers. Torps, Auto's, Megapulse, Blasters all fit too.
If you want medium Guns there are 8 other Ships designed for it.
I am willing to let this only fit the 20 or so roles it has now. Hint not all of them are Sniping, use your imagination.
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:45:00 -
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Aerilis wrote:First let me say the new BCs sound AWESOME. The Tornado is pure sex, and I'm sure the other ships will look amazing too. And battleship guns?? F'in win.
I just wanted to make one suggestion, and I hope CCP hears this and considers it before they finish development and it's too late. Make the new BC's viable with medium guns as well.
While the idea of putting oversized guns on your ship sounds awesome, it may be of limited use in the current metagame. They wouldn't be very effective against smaller ships, and you wouldn't be able to field them against standard BS fleets because they're a lot more fragile. I don't want them to end up being that ship that you bought just because it was new and cool, but you rarely undock because it has very little practical use.
When you run into a tier 2 BC nowadays, you have a general idea of what to expect but you can never know for sure. Is that Drake HAM/buffer fit? Or is it HML nano? That Myrm, should I bring neuts to counter its armor reps? But what if it's buffer fit? Hurricane - armor or shield tanked? I want these new ships to be something I can use everyday, something as versatile and effective as the current tier 2 BCs. I want these tier 3 BCs to make the tier 2 BCs as obsolete as the curret tier 1 BCs are. I want these ships to LIVE UP to their current hype!
These are just my thoughts, but I hope they resonate with other members of the community as well, and that CCP at least considers this before they roll out these new ships.
That is all :)
7/10, not bad, not bad at all, would certainly fool the unsuspecting casual player.
Unfortunately it's pretty obvious what would happen if CCP took your advice 
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Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:47:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Unfortunately it's pretty obvious what would happen if CCP took your advice 
Only good things
Tornado forever! |

Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:48:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Unfortunately it's pretty obvious what would happen if CCP took your advice  Only good things Tornado forever! Talking bout the guy who wanted to nerf the Drake |

baltec1
129
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:49:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:I once put small guns on a stealth bomber.
How did that work out for you? |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
73
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:49:00 -
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The only way to but Battleship guns on a battlecruiser is to have a role bonus allowing it, that makes it hard NOT to pigeon hole them. Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |

Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:50:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Unfortunately it's pretty obvious what would happen if CCP took your advice  Only good things Tornado forever! Talking bout the guy who wanted to nerf the Drake
Oh.
In that case, nope ur nope, Drake is instrumental. |

Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
29
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:15:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Aerilis wrote: That's actually pretty much what I'm afraid of, I don't want these to JUST be snipers.
WTF are you talking about. No one said they would be Snipers. Torps, Auto's, Megapulse, Blasters all fit too. If you want medium Guns there are 8 other Ships designed for it. I am willing to let this only fit the 20 or so roles it has now. Hint not all of them are Sniping, use your imagination.
Oh my god I cannot say ANYTHING on this forum without it being ridiculously construed beyond its original meaning. Unless you're a CCP dev, you and I BOTH have no idea as to the specific stats of these ships or how they will ultimately fit into the metagame. I was just voicing a FEAR, something that I HOPE will not come true. That's all. Go be ******** in a different thread please. |

Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:20:00 -
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Aerilis wrote: Oh my god I cannot say ANYTHING on this forum without it being ridiculously construed beyond its original meaning. Unless you're a CCP dev, you and I BOTH have no idea as to the specific stats of these ships or how they will ultimately fit into the metagame. I was just voicing a FEAR, something that I HOPE will not come true.
And my fear is that they will use medium weapons and will obsolete the other ships and was voicing my fear.
As well you under represent what Large weapons can do to make your point.
Aerilis wrote: That's all. Go be ******** in a different thread please.
Awww Muffin calm down and come give Alara a Hug before you blow out a pupil.
and No
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X Dead
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:32:00 -
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Aerilis wrote: While the idea of putting oversized guns on your ship sounds awesome, it may be of limited use in the current metagame. They wouldn't be very effective against smaller ships, and you wouldn't be able to field them against standard BS fleets because they're a lot more fragile.
Which is why God evolved Target Painters and drones.
Have to confess to being intrigued how these will be used, but then that's the point isn't it? Emergent behaviour from rule interplay? |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
93
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:50:00 -
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we all know the primary role for the tier 3 bc will be suicide ganking industrials
a secondary role will be used to gank super caps, sbu's, tcu's and i-hubs
time to moth ball your hulks, miners!!!!!!!! Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:27:00 -
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You actually want them to obsolete the Tier 2 hulls.
This is why no-one will ever let you balance a game.... seriously fail.
They are already trying to make the tier 1 hulls viable, why would they then do something to make both tier 1 and 2 obsolete. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:57:00 -
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Rhinanna wrote:You actually want them to obsolete the Tier 2 hulls.
This is why no-one will ever let you balance a game.... seriously fail.
They are already trying to make the tier 1 hulls viable, why would they then do something to make both tier 1 and 2 obsolete.
Because I want to pown tornado's gallente counterpart with my 800mm AC's from 80km with no fear that one will EVER be able to get in range to spit whatever dmg
I'll even make a thread about it and link the KM with explanation how I did it, well it will be short, "warp at 70, target, boum, bye bye" |

Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:11:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
Because I want to pown tornado's gallente counterpart with my 800mm AC's from 80km with no fear that one will EVER be able to get in range to spit whatever dmg
I'll even make a thread about it and link the KM with explanation how I did it, well it will be short, "warp at 70, target, boum, bye bye"
How you gonna do that without them just leaving?
You would need a second tackle ship.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:18:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
Because I want to pown tornado's gallente counterpart with my 800mm AC's from 80km with no fear that one will EVER be able to get in range to spit whatever dmg
I'll even make a thread about it and link the KM with explanation how I did it, well it will be short, "warp at 70, target, boum, bye bye"
How you gonna do that without them just leaving? You would need a second tackle ship.
You already need to be masochist to fly Galllente so stupid is not that far, no need for tackle because he'll always believe he can do it, remember the "YES WE CAN"?? Then after a few losses he'll go straight at the forums enraged like a bull and cry about his ship not being able to do any thing else than kill mackinaws like the tornado, but with 5 shots and on top of it
/tount on Also, Baltec will come here and explain you why he doesn't need tackle and how he's the Galenteean ubber powner of all eve universe and we all suck at using gallente hulls.
/tount off |

Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:20:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
You already need to be masochist to fly Galllente so stupid is not that far, no need for tackle because he'll always believe he can do it, remember the "YES WE CAN"??
Noted...
/Backs away slowly and doesn't make eye contact.
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Russell Casey
One Ton THREE WOLF
39
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:36:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
Because I want to pown tornado's gallente counterpart with my 800mm AC's from 80km with no fear that one will EVER be able to get in range to spit whatever dmg
I'll even make a thread about it and link the KM with explanation how I did it, well it will be short, "warp at 70, target, boum, bye bye"
How you gonna do that without them just leaving? You would need a second tackle ship. You already need to be masochist to fly Galllente so stupid is not that far, no need for tackle because he'll always believe he can do it, remember the "YES WE CAN"?? Then after a few losses he'll go straight at the forums enraged like a bull and cry about his ship not being able to do any thing else than kill mackinaws like the tornado, but with 5 shots and on top of it /tount on Also, Baltec will come here and explain you why he doesn't need tackle and how he's the Galenteean ubber powner of all eve universe and we all suck at using gallente hulls. /tount off
I'm gonna laugh when CCP gives Gallente a 100km range/-500% velocity webbing as their "rebalanced hybrid" solution. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.22 04:01:00 -
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The whole POINT of the Tornado is pure gank against larger ships (or similar with good skills) while being paper for tank. There is no need for versatility when you got the other BC hulls you can use. |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2011.10.22 06:18:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:One word:
Snipers.
That's what comes to my mind. Big glass guns using speed, low signature and distance as a defense.
one aspect of them for sure. But there needs to be variety in their fits.
The thought of a 1400mm arty platform with the instalocking abilitiy of an artycane definitely sounds sexy as hell.
Or a glass cannon blasterboat with almost as much firepower as a blasterthron or hyperion, but enough speed to actually catch stuff. |

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
77
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:41:00 -
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Been trying to make people understand that making ship bonuses apply to all weapon sizes would diversify Eve Pew to no end but for some reason people like stuff to be predictable and CCP is all too happy to oblige as it is much easier to balance if all you need address is EHP and DPS.
The tier3's will probably have a fitting bonus to accommodate large weapons, question is if their base fittings will be high enough for them to use medium guns (sans bonuses) if they so desire ... based on previous stupidity oozing out of Iceland I am betting that the minnie tier3 will have any and all options open and three others have to make insane sacrifices if they want to mix things up (ie: same as for all other ships). |

Amro One
One.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:47:00 -
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DiD not know the Stealth bombers where Viable with frigate size guns.
Will you morons ever think before speaking.
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