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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:34:00 -
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'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Just to clear this up with everyone, if you want to say something negative, think for a second if you are being offensive. If you are being offensive, then just stop. Here are some helpful pointers to guide you on your posting journey.
Players do not have any say in who CCP does, or does not hire. If they did we would have fired the entire company long ago ;) You haven't seen anyone's CV, and you haven't sit in on any interviews; CCP cannot hire employees based on the vague opinions of 500,000 people. The personality that someone has online, is not even close to who they are when it comes to their profession. I, for instance, am not sloppy drunk 24/7, but if you only knew me as a player before I joined CCP you would probably think that was true. If you are going to be offensive in this thread, we are going to ban you. Potentially a permanent ban, as we would do with anybody making a post purely to bash a CCP employee. Just because you don't like someone or don't like what they have done in the past, does not exempt you from the rules.
Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls
I understand you wanting to support your fellow employees, and I agree with you trying to support the company you work for. I agree that some folks were way out of line.
But
It's never, ever a good thing for an employee to tell a customer that their opinion doesn't matter. Your average minimum wage fast-food worker knows better than to say something like the above to a single customer, much less mass-broadcast it to potentially every customer.
Pick up the phone and call some of the 20% of your employees that were laid off less than 2 years ago, and ask them how they feel about customers having a say in their employment with ccp.
Prolly best you deleted the thread, but sadly once somethings on the intarwebs, it never completely goes away. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:40:00 -
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I never thought that I'd reach a day where I'd WANT to read about some highsec tinfoiler accusing me of RMT or something. This is getting stupid now. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3601
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:42:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:I never thought that I'd reach a day where I'd WANT to read about some highsec tinfoiler accusing me of RMT or something. This is getting stupid now. Why do you have anything to RMT? I thought our overlords took it all. And no more tech, surely that got us good that time. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Aragoni
Aliastra Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:44:00 -
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It's generally speaking the truth. While I think the company needs to listen to the players when related to gameplay, the drama when it comes to that new employee is just way out of proportion. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3601
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:44:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Just to clear this up with everyone, if you want to say something negative, think for a second if you are being offensive. If you are being offensive, then just stop. Here are some helpful pointers to guide you on your posting journey.
Players do not have any say in who CCP does, or does not hire. If they did we would have fired the entire company long ago ;) You haven't seen anyone's CV, and you haven't sit in on any interviews; CCP cannot hire employees based on the vague opinions of 500,000 people. The personality that someone has online, is not even close to who they are when it comes to their profession. I, for instance, am not sloppy drunk 24/7, but if you only knew me as a player before I joined CCP you would probably think that was true. If you are going to be offensive in this thread, we are going to ban you. Potentially a permanent ban, as we would do with anybody making a post purely to bash a CCP employee. Just because you don't like someone or don't like what they have done in the past, does not exempt you from the rules.
Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls I understand you wanting to support your fellow employees, and I agree with you trying to support the company you work for. I agree that some folks were way out of line. But It's never, ever a good thing for an employee to tell a customer that their opinion doesn't matter. Your average minimum wage fast-food worker knows better than to say something like the above to a single customer, much less mass-broadcast it to potentially every customer. Pick up the phone and call some of the 20% of your employees that were laid off less than 2 years ago, and ask them how they feel about customers having a say in their employment with ccp. Prolly best you deleted the thread, but sadly once somethings on the intarwebs, it never completely goes away. This is a momentous moment in EVE by the way.
I was there, before it was locked. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:45:00 -
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I support this thread.
CCP is forgetting who it is that bring in the money. Paying customers are the ones you should keep happy. Just deleting anything that isn't "Praise our Devs" isn't going to change the voice/opinion of your paying customers. It just makes you look silly.
And what ever happened to consequences matter...
People are voicing their concerns because of past actions.
Personally, if the attention "collector" doesn't touch anything related to EVE, fine by me. But I find it fasinating how someone who clearly posted negative stuff about CCP product last year got the job.
Again, last 2 lines are my Personal concerns. And deleting them will just proof a point that you don't want to hear negative points from your community. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2826
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:46:00 -
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I am liking the hiring of Mintchip mainly because of the tears it appears to have generated.
People need to get over themselves. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3601
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:48:00 -
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Ace Menda wrote:I support this thread.
CCP is forgetting who it is that bring in the money. Paying customers are the ones you should keep happy. Just deleting anything that isn't "Praise our Devs" isn't going to change the voice/opinion of your paying customers. It just makes you look silly.
And what ever happened to consequences matter...
People are voicing their concerns because of past actions.
Personally, if the attention "collector" doesn't touch anything related to EVE, fine by me. But I find it fasinating how someone who clearly posted negative stuff about CCP product last year got the job.
Again, last 2 lines are my Personal concerns. And deleting them will just proof a point that you don't want to hear negative points from your community. This is EVE Online, where a massive war with TEST started because of what again I am a nullsec zealot. |
Seetesh
RTS - POS Deployments
45
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:50:00 -
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Well quite a few people were making comments that were not nice towards her and some were borderline bullying. She is a nice person and it is down to CCP not the customers who they hire; we have no shares or directorships in CCP nor do we have any other financial investment, we simply pay for a service.
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Aragoni
Aliastra Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:55:00 -
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Ace Menda wrote:Again, last 2 lines are my Personal concerns. And deleting them will just proof a point that you don't want to hear negative points from your community.
People constantly badmouthing an employee and pretty much calling her a prostitute is not just "negative points": I mean come on.... People write negative points about EVE (and the company) all the time without the threads getting removed, but the thread about Mintchip was just understandable. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2317
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:57:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Just to clear this up with everyone, if you want to say something negative, think for a second if you are being offensive. If you are being offensive, then just stop. Here are some helpful pointers to guide you on your posting journey.
Players do not have any say in who CCP does, or does not hire. If they did we would have fired the entire company long ago ;) You haven't seen anyone's CV, and you haven't sit in on any interviews; CCP cannot hire employees based on the vague opinions of 500,000 people. The personality that someone has online, is not even close to who they are when it comes to their profession. I, for instance, am not sloppy drunk 24/7, but if you only knew me as a player before I joined CCP you would probably think that was true. If you are going to be offensive in this thread, we are going to ban you. Potentially a permanent ban, as we would do with anybody making a post purely to bash a CCP employee. Just because you don't like someone or don't like what they have done in the past, does not exempt you from the rules.
Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls I understand you wanting to support your fellow employees, and I agree with you trying to support the company you work for. I agree that some folks were way out of line. But It's never, ever a good thing for an employee to tell a customer that their opinion doesn't matter. Your average minimum wage fast-food worker knows better than to say something like the above to a single customer, much less mass-broadcast it to potentially every customer. Pick up the phone and call some of the 20% of your employees that were laid off less than 2 years ago, and ask them how they feel about customers having a say in their employment with ccp. Prolly best you deleted the thread, but sadly once somethings on the intarwebs, it never completely goes away.
Albeit i don't get what's up with that Mintchip gal and why she's so controversial (I had a hell of a time trying to follow her in her videoblogs, so I'm not very familiar with her), CCP Dolan's answer came as less-than-diplomatic.
CCP does exist because 500,000 random guys hold the opinion that CCP's work is worth their money. That's not written on stone, rather it is something that can be revisited and changed any time.
I am very interested to know what will happen when CCP hires the new Executive Producer, since the point where they must hire soemone abroad rather than promote inhouse talent: Be the new EP a player or don't, controversy is assured. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Je'hira Osiris
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:07:00 -
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Aragoni wrote:Ace Menda wrote:Again, last 2 lines are my Personal concerns. And deleting them will just proof a point that you don't want to hear negative points from your community. People constantly badmouthing an employee and pretty much calling her a prostitute is not just "negative points": I mean come on.... People write negative points about EVE (and the company) all the time without the threads getting removed, but the thread about Mintchip was just understandable. Edit: Worth mentioning though that I found that thread to be comedy gold. Laughed 'til I cried and beyond that.
As long as the slander and defamation are kept to a minimum, I don't see what a thread couldn't exist. But that last one was getting bad. Whether it is justified or not can be hashed out on Kugutsumen, Reddit, and the Goonies Forums.
Here isn't the best place to post stuff like the other thread. |
Asptar Monastair
Adventurers
6
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:17:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Just to clear this up with everyone, if you want to say something negative, think for a second if you are being offensive. If you are being offensive, then just stop. Here are some helpful pointers to guide you on your posting journey.
Players do not have any say in who CCP does, or does not hire. If they did we would have fired the entire company long ago ;) You haven't seen anyone's CV, and you haven't sit in on any interviews; CCP cannot hire employees based on the vague opinions of 500,000 people. The personality that someone has online, is not even close to who they are when it comes to their profession. I, for instance, am not sloppy drunk 24/7, but if you only knew me as a player before I joined CCP you would probably think that was true. If you are going to be offensive in this thread, we are going to ban you. Potentially a permanent ban, as we would do with anybody making a post purely to bash a CCP employee. Just because you don't like someone or don't like what they have done in the past, does not exempt you from the rules.
Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls I understand you wanting to support your fellow employees, and I agree with you trying to support the company you work for. I agree that some folks were way out of line. But It's never, ever a good thing for an employee to tell a customer that their opinion doesn't matter. Your average minimum wage fast-food worker knows better than to say something like the above to a single customer, much less mass-broadcast it to potentially every customer. Pick up the phone and call some of the 20% of your employees that were laid off less than 2 years ago, and ask them how they feel about customers having a say in their employment with ccp. Prolly best you deleted the thread, but sadly once somethings on the intarwebs, it never completely goes away. Albeit i don't get what's up with that Mintchip gal and why she's so controversial (I had a hell of a time trying to follow her in her videoblogs, so I'm not very familiar with her), CCP Dolan's answer came as less-than-diplomatic. CCP does exist because 500,000 random guys hold the opinion that CCP's work is worth their money. That's not written on stone, rather it is something that can be revisited and changed any time. I am very interested to know what will happen when CCP hires the new Executive Producer, since the point where they must hire soemone abroad rather than promote inhouse talent: Be the new EP a player or don't, controversy is assured.
I don't know where people get the idea that they represent the majority of EVE. I can guarantee that most of the EVE community isn't even aware of what happened today, let alone even give a ****.
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Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings Tei-Su Syndicate
103
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:18:00 -
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CCP has no obligation to tolerate offensive behavior towards its employees. None.
If you're not 'happy' that you couldn't harass and insult someone without consequence, tough. Life sucks, go cry into your Red Bull.
Regardless of your opinions of the individual, CCP employees are not your personal punching bags. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2829
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:19:00 -
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I only gave the original thread a cursory glance.
Did it really get this bad?
I really feel ashamed to be playing Eve now.
Not because of what was said or how anybody felt about it. Everybody has an opinion and a right to be heard in a PUBLIC forum (but let them never forget the right of everybody else to ignore them too)
I feel ashamed because of the aspergian neckbearded nerdrage that appears to have resulted and all that unnecessary drama. Hello? You know what's happening to the world out there? The world is going to crap and there are actual people behind it, doing it on purpose. But apparently people are so daunted by confronting that, they have to come to web forums for a GAME and rag on something instead like their lives depended on it.
Can't you people just let **** go? This is just ******* game.
This is pathetic. I actually feel like I want to ruin the game for everybody somehow in the hope that whatever blackened little slouched existences you are all stuck in could be rustled enough to knock your sorry asses out of it.
Seriously. Maybe CCP will be further inspired to make the game harder so you people can cry more. since that 's all you care about.
I hope the guys and gals at CCP don't get the impression that everybody who plays is comparable to this neckbearded ADHD-drivern festering nogetlaidoid ass-hattery that was exhibited in these forums.
I hope that anybody who stumbles into these forums do not get this impression either. But let's not kid ourselves. For a lot of you, driving people away from this epic sci-fi ADVENTURE is your game. You'll call it a sandbox, it's your litterbox. I'm sorry your mommy didn't love you and put you on Ritalin too young and told you that you were so smart and special when you really were not and made you unprepared for the real world, but please find some courage to face the real challenges in life instead of making yourselves pathetic in these forums.
It's not whether or not you had a beef with the hiring decision either. It's how you BEHAVE and that goes for everything. No wonder it's so hard to keep a job, right? |
Jada Maroo
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
1115
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:26:00 -
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I can understand CCP wanting to protect their employees against bullying. I think that's a pretty standard policy for any company.
That said, I honestly thought the thread was intended as a pseudo-troll by CCP. Surely they know by now the personality types that are attracted to this game, as Herzog notes above. And Mintchip certainly had to have known what the reaction would be from reading Youtube comments from Eve players, many of whom surely troll her channel.
No one can convince me that post was made without any expectations of what would follow. That's just silly.
Now, if she made the post sincerely expecting that, contrary to the anti-social ways of many Eve players, they would welcome her with hugs and rainbows then I feel bad that it turned out as it did. But, I'm going to give her more credit than that and not assume she's so naive.
Either way, CCP's going to have to decide if the phrase HTFU applies to them as well. Hilmar's taken a lot of heat. Soundwave is a regular butt of jokes. To their credit, they've taken it fairly well. |
Asptar Monastair
Adventurers
6
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:35:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:I can understand CCP wanting to protect their employees against bullying. I think that's a pretty standard policy for any company.
That said, I honestly thought the thread was intended as a pseudo-troll by CCP. Surely they know by now the personality types that are attracted to this game, as Herzog notes above. And Mintchip certainly had to have known what the reaction would be from reading Youtube comments from Eve players, many of whom surely troll her channel.
No one can convince me that post was made without any expectations of what would follow. That's just silly.
Now, if she made the post sincerely expecting that, contrary to the anti-social ways of many Eve players, they would welcome her with hugs and rainbows then I feel bad that it turned out as it did. But, I'm going to give her more credit than that and not assume she's so naive.
Either way, CCP's going to have to decide if the phrase HTFU applies to them as well. Hilmar's taken a lot of heat. Soundwave is a regular butt of jokes. To their credit, they've taken it fairly well.
I guess their opinion of us just isn't low enough... |
Sturmwolke
417
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:00:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Nope. CCP flies are special. They need vinegar. Honey doesn't attract CCP flies.
If you can cite a good case where honey works, please list them. I can cite any number of botched implementations where you need to set fire on the forums for CCP to sit up an notice (circa 2007-2013) without too much effort.
P.S. My definition of "vinegar" is flame with reasoned arguments, with extra color effects added.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6830
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:06:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I only gave the original thread a cursory glance.
Did it really get this bad?
Worse.
Good news though is that a great number of bad posters are gone till the new year. |
Asptar Monastair
Adventurers
7
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:07:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Nope. CCP flies are special. They need vinegar. Honey doesn't attract CCP flies. If you can cite a good case where honey works, please list them. I can cite any number of botched implementations where you need to set fire on the forums for CCP to sit up an notice (circa 2007-2013) without too much effort. P.S. My definition of "vinegar" is flame with reasoned arguments, with extra color effects added.
I recall that event ended with the blasting of a certain monument. I however don't recall anyone personally attacking any members of CCP, at least not to this extent. There is a big difference to objecting to a decision and downright hateful slander. There's nothing wrong with being passionate about something you care about, but this time it went way to far. |
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards
326
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:09:00 -
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I prefer non-brewed condiment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:10:00 -
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I didn't know what all of this was about then I read
and then
Quote:I think most people don't give a **** about her anatomy, it's just lots of people are a bit puzzled at CCP forcing us to interact with attention whores such as CCP Dolan (possibly male) and CCP Mintship (possibly female), that didn't exactly get famous by proving their love and knowledge of the game.
It's all coming together |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
946
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:10:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:'CCP Dolan' wrote:Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 - [363] - Quote Remember guys, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Also, Vinegar is the most commonly banned liquid on the EVE Online Forums) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Nope. CCP flies are special. They need vinegar. Honey doesn't attract CCP flies. If you can cite a good case where honey works, please list them. I can cite any number of botched implementations where you need to set fire on the forums for CCP to sit up an notice (circa 2007-2013) without too much effort. P.S. My definition of "vinegar" is flame with reasoned arguments, with extra color effects added. they aren't special. vinegar is very effective at attracting flies, honey isn't.
there's even an xkcd strip about it: http://xkcd.com/357/ |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:13:00 -
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Aragoni wrote:Ace Menda wrote:Again, last 2 lines are my Personal concerns. And deleting them will just proof a point that you don't want to hear negative points from your community. People constantly badmouthing an employee and pretty much calling her a prostitute is not just "negative points": I mean come on.... People write negative points about EVE (and the company) all the time without the threads getting removed, but the thread about Mintchip was just understandable. Edit: Worth mentioning though that I found that thread to be comedy gold. Laughed 'til I cried and beyond that.
Ooh. the name calling and nude pictures were WAY out of line.
But CCP also deleted well constructive posts. |
Sturmwolke
417
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:19:00 -
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Asptar Monastair wrote: I recall that event ended with the blasting of a certain monument. I however don't recall anyone personally attacking any members of CCP, at least not to this extent. There is a big difference to objecting to a decision and downright hateful slander. There's nothing wrong with being passionate about something you care about, but this time it went way to far.
I was looking at CCP Dolan's statement minus the context. If his context is about this Mintchip thingy or whatever (I don't care), then he'd just added more fuel to the fire.
First rule, never antagonize customers. Appeal instead.
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Foodpimp
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
116
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:20:00 -
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Seriously...how does having this Mintchip chick work for CCP adversely effect anyone's ability to play this game? She could be the most distasteful and heinous person in the world, but why would anyone care that she works for the company. She's obviously not going to be making strategic decisions or acting on an executive level. Who cares? |
Liam Mirren
600
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:21:00 -
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CCP hired a clown and it's not the first time, Stavros/CCP Capslock is another prime example of the "old boys network" being terrible and making dumb decisions by hiring him. In this case it's also a clown who openly likes to ***** herself out for personal benefit, almost literally, really not someone who'd you want to have representing your company and brand.
Per usual, us players seem more concerned about the quality and continuity of this game than the CCP bigwigs are and, per usual, we have to point out dumb/ignorant/self destructive actions & stances CCP (as an entity) employs because they themselves are so out of touch with the game they don't and won't see it, right up to the point where they can't ignore it anymore because starts to hurt the company & game in a direct and in your face way.
In short; Sometimes CCP makes an "oops" but when pointed out they simply won't back down, partially because they don't get it and partially because they're stubborn and possibly followed by "we don't care what our customers think, they're fickle so what do they know" mails. In the end the **** storm created by that "oops" created grows so big and out of control it wipes out half the brand/company and they have to back pedal anyway.
TL;DR: Helmar is an idiot and hiring an Ewhore like Mintchip is a dumb decision whichever way you look at it so they didn't get the introduction thread they wanted, but the one they deserved. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Lord 'Vulcan' Raven
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:24:00 -
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Foodpimp wrote:Seriously...how does having this Mintchip chick work for CCP adversely effect anyone's ability to play this game? She could be the most distasteful and heinous person in the world, but why would anyone care that she works for the company. She's obviously not going to be making strategic decisions or acting on an executive level. Who cares?
I find it sad that there are other people who care more about the game and have done more for it (ISD's) that deserve a job at CCP more (in my eyes) than someone who slandered the game and wrote it off. That's just being honest with you. |
icy ghost
The Scope Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:24:00 -
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What happened to the original thread did cccp take it down ? |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:28:00 -
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Yeah, though it's still on eve-search |
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